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Posted 02 April 2013 - 11:31 AM

chi torpedo seems to propel you the same distance now whether you walk or run now.

Krazyito

Posted 26 March 2013 - 07:34 AM

View PostMadMonk, on 20 March 2013 - 02:35 PM, said:

And the breakpoint after 6141 is 9146 for those of us with high itemlevel
How many ticks am I suppose to get with this? I counted 7 but I don't think I had 5% haste

edit: i counted 13 with 5% haste, and 11 without.

Posted 25 March 2013 - 12:23 PM

View PostTaijichi, on 29 October 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

i like the guide but i do not like the stat weights and do think they are off.
haste past 1345 is not better then mastery or crit.
you say more mastery lowers the cast time of our heals. but then again which heal do we cast ? surging mist and enveloping are instant when channeling soothing and renewing mist is also instant same goes for healing sphere and expel harm and basically everything we have can be instant except for chi burst. so to say haste is better then mastery and crit past 1345 is just no true. you won't make 1 extra tick at the current gear levels past 1345 so after 1345 haste is out least preffered stat.

after 1345 it is a toss up between mastery and crit. mastery in theory can be very good if the raiders pick up the orbs. so in 25 man with more people moving around it can be really good but for me in 10 man it is not as good. so crit will be better although being rng it still provides better throughput then mastery and haste for me.

with the change to the healing spheres dissapearing sooner and healing a nearby target for half of the heal when it is not used and dissapears mastery will become a hell of a lot better for both 10 and 25 man raiding. so then it will be spirit (till you are comfortable)-haste(1345)-Intellect-Mastery-Crit-Haste(past 1345) atleast in my opinion
this is correct that those heals are instant. but ure not looking at the general picture your haste also controlls the ammount and speed of ticks on your hots therefor more hase on  a MW is a priority as to get faster heals with soothing mist and if exceeding certain points on ure haste you can gain additional ticks on enveloping mist and renewing mist thank you have a nice day Posted Image

Krazyito

Posted 22 March 2013 - 04:22 PM

View PostJacob Hauch, on 22 March 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

Been playing on my monk for the whole expansion so far and really enjoying it. I do however have to disagree with some of the things written here.

If you're low on mana, the one thing you shouldn't do is jab jab uplift. jabs cost a freaking ton of mana now (and it will actually be cheaper to just glyph uplift and cast it for its 15% mana cost.)
Glyph of Uplift is never worth it unless there is some gimmick to the fight where you gain mana back very fast at regular intervals
The jab change was with 5.2, and im not sure if they updated the guide.

View PostJacob Hauch, on 22 March 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

Imo the ascension talent is awesome, it allows me to collect alot of chi for a burst healing phase (quake stomp for Tortos) and it increases my manapool (exponentially because im a gnome) and has a good synergi with mana tea.
Having 5 chi makes it possible to uplift thrice in an AoE phase (uplift uplift expelharm uplift)
Chi Brew is better then ascension for burst aoe healing because it lets you uplift more..  When you have 4 chi pooled up, you can uplift->uplift->chibrew->uplift->uplift->ReM->EH->uplift. Essentially getting 5 uplifts.  Ascension is only good for mana management, but if you properly use mana tea by constantly gaining and using chi then you will be fine.  Shi brew helps in this regard because when you do this burst sequence you gain about 2-3 (or more depending on crit chance) of stacks of Mana Tea on top of the rest that you are gaining.  I am around 10-9k spirit now (11k~ with spirit flask) and am doing perfectly fine.  I'm thinking about dropping the spirit flask for an int one.


View PostJacob Hauch, on 22 March 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

Have not found a solid use for rushing jade wind since windlord, personally i prefer Xuen because of the low micro management that goes into it. The toggle walk then chi torpedo was a very usefull tip! Deffo going to be experiencing with it.
RJW can be used on Tortos if you are healing melee and puts some DPS onto the bats.  You can also use it on Magera during Rampages when everyone is stacked up and lastly you can use it on Durumu during the maze phase when most of your group is stacked running together.  Xuen is a good healing CD, but its usefulness only increases with damage amplifying mechanics or AoE.

View PostJacob Hauch, on 22 March 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

When picking a weapon, have their weapon damage in mind (i went from lfr healing scepter from empress to a thunderforged weapon from council of elders. Effectively doubling my dps)
This fist weapon is not ideal whatsoever for monks because it has mastery on it, which is a very weak stat.  The sword off the first boss or the staff off Ji-Kun would be better.  Weapon damage does help with healing, but it is only a very small part in your total healing. Itemization will help your throughput more.

View PostJacob Hauch, on 22 March 2013 - 10:16 AM, said:

Using this rotation for dps i push 110k dps on certain fights (more than my current windwalker spec lol...) Jab, tigerpalm, jab, tigerpalm and a chi wave thrown in on cooldown.

Hope this info was usefull to someone!
Can you please show logs of you doing this?  I find it very hard to believe that you actully did this on a single target.  I can pull upwards of 120k on AoE trash pulls with SCK, Rem on CD, EH on CD, and using BoK as a filler.

Doing that on a single target is just not possible for a mistweaver, otherwise we would see top end guilds stacking all mistweavers.

Posted 22 March 2013 - 10:16 AM

Been playing on my monk for the whole expansion so far and really enjoying it. I do however have to disagree with some of the things written here.

If you're low on mana, the one thing you shouldn't do is jab jab uplift. jabs cost a freaking ton of mana now (and it will actually be cheaper to just glyph uplift and cast it for its 15% mana cost.)

Imo the ascension talent is awesome, it allows me to collect alot of chi for a burst healing phase (quake stomp for Tortos) and it increases my manapool (exponentially because im a gnome) and has a good synergi with mana tea.
Having 5 chi makes it possible to uplift thrice in an AoE phase (uplift uplift expelharm uplift)

Have not found a solid use for rushing jade wind since windlord, personally i prefer Xuen because of the low micro management that goes into it. The toggle walk then chi torpedo was a very usefull tip! Deffo going to be experiencing with it.

When picking a weapon, have their weapon damage in mind (i went from lfr healing scepter from empress to a thunderforged weapon from council of elders. Effectively doubling my dps)

Using this rotation for dps i push 110k dps on certain fights (more than my current windwalker spec lol...) Jab, tigerpalm, jab, tigerpalm and a chi wave thrown in on cooldown.

Hope this info was usefull to someone!

MadMonk

Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:35 PM

View PostKrazyito, on 20 March 2013 - 02:05 AM, said:

Do you have the 5% haste raid buff? and in serpent stance?  If you have 3145 haste OUTSIDE of serpent stance then you will be fine.

The breakpoint after that is 6141
And the breakpoint after 6141 is 9146 for those of us with high itemlevel

Krazyito

Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:05 AM

View PostKhaelan, on 20 March 2013 - 12:55 AM, said:

Are those haste values correct? cause i have nowhere near 16% at that low haste?

Do you have the 5% haste raid buff? and in serpent stance?  If you have 3145 haste OUTSIDE of serpent stance then you will be fine.

The breakpoint after that is 6141

Posted 20 March 2013 - 12:55 AM

Are those haste values correct? cause i have nowhere near 16% at that low haste?

Krazyito

Posted 12 March 2013 - 04:29 AM

View PostDinglenuts, on 12 March 2013 - 03:34 AM, said:

Please fix the monk MW haste requirement, someone transposed the 3145 and it should be 1345 and then fix the dranei value as well. It will screw up many people

You are wrong.

If you read the rest of the thread it states that the current correct value is 3145.  The next value is 6141 at around 500~ ilvl.

1345 WAS the pre-5.1 haste value, but then we got a buff to our haste in 5.1

Also, what do you mean about the Dreani value?  for hit?  Hit does not matter for a MW..

Posted 12 March 2013 - 03:34 AM

Please fix the monk MW haste requirement, someone transposed the 3145 and it should be 1345 and then fix the dranei value as well. It will screw up many people

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