I hate when all of you put the word "joke" when you have an opti raid (lock, shaman, pal = lol @ all fight this tier). We don't have a lock, don't have a chaman, only 3 distant players and more of a heavy melee raid and we have a lot of difficulties for this fight.
worth to mention for a "normal raid" :
1) DPS requirement for turtles is HARD with only 3 casters and no slow
2) Kite strategy is kinda mandatory for some raid composition with a monk slowing turtles a little
3) Bring the player not the skill, lolz. Lock and chaman in a raid (we don't have) make ALL fight very easier.
4) All opti raid should not say Tortos is an easy fight, horridon is far more easy with a "normal" raid composition