Firebird Wizard

[Guest Soaa]

Hi,

Is this the best build for group gr nowadays?

 

Best regards.

[Valks 2,373]

55 minutes ago, Guest Soaa said:

Hi,

Is this the best build for group gr nowadays?

 

Best regards.

Yeah, Archon is completely dominating the Wizard builds atm. This is probably your best bet with it. 

[Bryaugh 0]

Hello,

I have been trying hard to use this build, but I find that I am sitting around waiting for Archon's cooldown for far too long. Yes, I am hitting stuff with Spectral Blade to stack buffs while I wait.

I currently have 54.35% cooldown (including Evocation) and run with In-geom.

I can flatten elites/bosses in seconds (T13), then I am waiting around twiddling my thumbs for nearly a minute before I can do anything else.

All other classes seem to have constant access to T13-destructive power when I am G/Rifting with them at this level.

Am I missing a trick with reducing the remainder of the Archon cooldown? The guide even pertains to "chaining" Archon. The way I see it, this is impossible!?

It's really embarrassing when you're doing bounties, because it's impossible to clear a chest with mob waves. Any onslaught which lasts longer than the duration of Archon basically means my wiz is useless, or I get abused for "not dpsing".

Another issue is if you pop Archon in a GRift to clear a last round of elites then the RG appears, just as your Archon expires. Then I have to wait nearly a minute before I can engage it. Is this really the accepted playstyle for this build? Please tell me I am wrong and let me know where the magic button is to reduce my Archon cooldown to 10 seconds :D

Thank you!

[Valks 2,373]

1 hour ago, Bryaugh said:

Please tell me I am wrong and let me know where the magic button is to reduce my Archon cooldown to 10 seconds :D

Can you link me your Wizard please?

[Guest NIckDigs]

Whats the point of the resource reduction paragon if you don't dip in resources with this build?

[Guest NickDigs]

On 1/10/2017 at 0:00 AM, Guest dat_noob_though said:

Hi, 

First of all I have to say that the work done in the guide is truly amazing as always from Deadset. Thanks for that!

Im by no means a pro Diablo 3 player, thus forgive me the perhaps silly questions :)

1) I don't quite get how the Ancient Parthan Defenders contribute to this build as the build does not contain anything that would stun the enemies?

2) I don't have all the protective gear yet (missing The Compass Rose and Halo of Arlyse), but it seems that when I am outside of the archon form, Im constantly almost dying. I know the Compass Rose will most likely help me with this with the 50% dmg reduction while moving, but not sure if Im playing this build right. Should I try to simply survive while out of the archon form and once I have it out of cool down (which can feel like eternity from time to time :) just demolish everything that I see?

In overall I feel that I am really squishy when out of the archon form and that makes the build quite challenging to play.

The stun from frost nova and the ring procs

[Valks 2,373]

12 hours ago, Guest NIckDigs said:

Whats the point of the resource reduction paragon if you don't dip in resources with this build?

Both RCR and AD are pointless in the build. It's a mistake, but essentially taking AD over RCR will result in a fractional (and I mean, absolutely fractional) difference.

[Guest]

20 hours ago, Bryaugh said:

Hello,

I have been trying hard to use this build, but I find that I am sitting around waiting for Archon's cooldown for far too long. Yes, I am hitting stuff with Spectral Blade to stack buffs while I wait.

I currently have 54.35% cooldown (including Evocation) and run with In-geom.

I can flatten elites/bosses in seconds (T13), then I am waiting around twiddling my thumbs for nearly a minute before I can do anything else.

All other classes seem to have constant access to T13-destructive power when I am G/Rifting with them at this level.

Am I missing a trick with reducing the remainder of the Archon cooldown? The guide even pertains to "chaining" Archon. The way I see it, this is impossible!?

It's really embarrassing when you're doing bounties, because it's impossible to clear a chest with mob waves. Any onslaught which lasts longer than the duration of Archon basically means my wiz is useless, or I get abused for "not dpsing".

Another issue is if you pop Archon in a GRift to clear a last round of elites then the RG appears, just as your Archon expires. Then I have to wait nearly a minute before I can engage it. Is this really the accepted playstyle for this build? Please tell me I am wrong and let me know where the magic button is to reduce my Archon cooldown to 10 seconds :D

Thank you!

 

Doing Bounties with Wizard isn't the easiest thing to do. Deamon Hunter Multishot e.g. is way better suited for bounties.

Your wizard should be able to do quite high Greater Rifts (I'd suppose at least 80, better 85+) that you can do bounties on Torment XIII fast. (Trash-Mobs will take too long otherwise.)

BUT: You don't need to be able to do every bountie. Focus on the bounties you are good for: Take the bounties like "Kill Boss X"

These bounties are perfect for you and each act has such a bounty.

Or bounties where you have to complete an event, e.g. clearing a shrine. It isn't important if you manage to clear 5 waves or not (to be precise: I ALWAYS loose on purpose on the first wave - it is way faster this way then having to do 5 waves.)  Trigger the shrine, wait for the time to run out, then you need to kill the remaining enemies -> Enter Archon-Form, kill them. Do NOT enter Archonform before the time has expired, because if you kill the wave in time the next will spawn. And if your archon runs out then you will have to wait till it is ready again -> that takes time.

 

And if there are no other quests left and you need to do a quest like: Kill X and kill 75 mobs - take a quest where there are lot's of enemies together. Like in Act 1, Unholy Cathedral - if you have enough damage you should be able to take down 75 mobs in one cycle of your archon form. Then you need another archon for the elite you have to kill, but that doesn't take too long.

 

 

Rift Guardian: If the rift guardian appears while you have just finished your archonform there is nothing you can do but to wait. (Should be around 40 seconds with your CDR). In this time, you can start getting your Bane of the Stricken up.

In 40 seconds you will be able to hit him around 30 - 60 times. -> Your damage in archon-form will be around 50 - 100% higher! Helping to bring the Rift Guardian down in just one archon-cycle.

(And if you would kill the rift guardian in a few seconds even without Bane of the Stricken triggered: Then you are just able to do higher greater Rifts. Roughly spoken: You can do higher Greater Rifts untill you won't be able to kill elites during one archon-form.)

 

Conclusion: For T13 Firebird / Archon isn't the best class. Next to every class is better. But your goal is not to play on T13. You wan't to do Greater Rifts 80 - 90. And you'll see: you shine and leave most other classes / builds way behind.

[Valks 2,373]

20 minutes ago, WedgeAntilles said:

Conclusion: For T13 Firebird / Archon isn't the best class. Next to every class is better. But your goal is not to play on T13. You wan't to do Greater Rifts 80 - 90. And you'll see: you shine and leave most other classes / builds way behind.

Thanks for helping with that Wedge. Also, at the OP, if you read through this, feel free to post your armoury below as well. There are some things that are worth checking.

[Guest Aildiin]

2 hours ago, Blainie said:

Both RCR and AD are pointless in the build. It's a mistake, but essentially taking AD over RCR will result in a fractional (and I mean, absolutely fractional) difference.

There are things you can do to improve your downtime outside of Greater Rifts 80+ , like using Obsidian Ring of Zodiac which will reduce your downtime tremendously.( but you need to use something else than Spectral Blades, personnally I use Arcane Torrent/Blizzard).

 

[Sadiii 0]

Hey there, so I'm quite new to Wizard and I came across this build and I'm slowly assembling the parts with the right rolls and so forth. So my question is, what Follower setup do you recommend to go with this type of build? I've asked a couple of clannies and they discourage running the Enchantress due to her CCs making it difficult for mobs to follow you to allow good density. Is this an issue? I normally run the Enchantress with a Thunderfury whilst playing UE DH and the utility is absolutely amazing. Is that not the case with the Firebird Archon? 

[Guest]

14 hours ago, Sadiii said:

Hey there, so I'm quite new to Wizard and I came across this build and I'm slowly assembling the parts with the right rolls and so forth. So my question is, what Follower setup do you recommend to go with this type of build? I've asked a couple of clannies and they discourage running the Enchantress due to her CCs making it difficult for mobs to follow you to allow good density. Is this an issue? I normally run the Enchantress with a Thunderfury whilst playing UE DH and the utility is absolutely amazing. Is that not the case with the Firebird Archon? 

IMO definitly Templar.

He tanks + stuns + heals - giving you exactly what you need most.

Be sure to equippe him with Oculus Ring

Earlier on I totally underestimated the Follower and just gave him some stuff. The follower then healed a little, tanked a little, not bad, but nother major.

But equipped with the right items he adds so much to your runs, my guess is I manage 2 or even 3 higher Greater Rift Tiers because of the right items.

If you haven't read it yet, be sure you do:

https://www.icy-veins.com/d3/follower-skills-and-gearing-patch-2-4

 

[briala 6]

I know Deadset posted d3planner's of many of his other builds, anyone know if there are any (current) ones up for this one (including it's variants?)

[Guest Fsbfg]

Hi! I'm confused with the DoT. Do you mean that the enemy will be burned to death if it is attacked by Spectral blade for three times?

so what I need to do is keep on using the spectral blade to burn every enemy in my regular form. 

Is magic weapon a passive skill that I just need to use it one time before the battle?

[Guest]

You hit enemies with Spectral Blade because of the stacks + to trigger Bane of the Stricken.

The DoT can be ignored (it would take a day or something like this to kill an enemie with it.

 

Magic Weapon is good for 10 minutes after casting it. While doing a Greater Rift you will probably have to recast it once. (Be careful you aren't around enemies when you do, because your defense will be weak for a few seconds (until you are back at 90% ressource)

[Guest shougkiy]

hi guys,

noob question. i am try the build in this guide, but the elites do not ignite? what things am i doing wrong? 

am i supposed to spectral blade all the way to ignite the elite?

[BaconWizard 0]

Every Firebird's Talons I've found only have 4 Primary stats, this guide shows 5. I have a talon with all 4 first priorities, but I've left out Vitality. Is there a way to get a Firebird's Talons with 5 Primary stats?

Edited January 28, 2017 by BaconWizard

[Guest]

On 22.1.2017 at 5:24 PM, Guest shougkiy said:

hi guys,

noob question. i am try the build in this guide, but the elites do not ignite? what things am i doing wrong? 

am i supposed to spectral blade all the way to ignite the elite?

Enemies ignite after you hit them with Spectral Blades - you'll see the Spectral Blade Stacks go up.

 

2 hours ago, BaconWizard said:

Every Firebird's Talons I've found only have 4 Primary stats, this guide shows 5. I have a talon with all 4 first priorities, but I've left out Vitality. Is there a way to get a Firebird's Talons with 5 Primary stats?

4 stats are max, the guide lists the 5 most usefull stats you can have.

 

[Guest shougkiy]

On 1/29/2017 at 4:50 AM, WedgeAntilles said:

Enemies ignite after you hit them with Spectral Blades - you'll see the Spectral Blade Stacks go up.

 

4 stats are max, the guide lists the 5 most usefull stats you can have.

 

Pardon my noobness. Can i ask for firebird 6 set bonus:

•  Set:
• Your damage is increased by 120% and damage taken reduced by 3% for each enemy that is Ignited. This effect can stack up to 20 times. You always receive the maximum bonus whenever a nearby Elite monster is Ignited.

 

1) must i hit elites to receive the bonus?

for the 4 set bonus:

• Set:
• Dealing Fire damage with one of your skills causes the enemy to take 1000% weapon damage as Fire per second for 3 seconds. This effect can be repeated a second and third time by different skills. If an enemy is burning due to three different skills simultaneously the enemy will Ignite, dealing 3000% weapon damage per second until they die.

 

2) i cant seem to ignite the mob? i am following the guide -spectral blade (flame), archon combustion and magical weapon(force weapon) ?so these 3 are the different fire skills?

[Guest Cheve]

Hi, im using this cool build, that works really nice, but I'm far of reaching high GR levels, I'm quite noob ton Diablo 3, but played many rol games for years (lineage 2, archeage mainly) so I'm used to roll stats, stack % and all that.

My actual build is: http://www.d3planner.com/288845497

It works well playing solo till lvl 50 or so, but impossible much higher, with some friends gettings to 62, beeing probably myself who hits more.

My doubt is.. my problem is just get better rolls on items, get ancestral items, enchant with gems for extra int and that, or main problem is that im only 400 on parangon? Just to focus on one or another thing to improve.

 

Thnx in advance!

 

[briala 6]

To ignite, I use the 3 different Archon damage abilities: the "bomb" on key 1, the other "bomb" on left mouse, and the "laser" on the right mouse. It is possible the Chantodo wave and the initial combustion count too, I'm not sure about that.

I do not believe it's possible to ignite during the non-Archon portion. All you're doing then is building up your 20 chantodo stacks and gathering up the biggest mass of enemies you can while waiting for the cooldown.

[Guest]

21 hours ago, Guest Cheve said:

Hi, im using this cool build, that works really nice, but I'm far of reaching high GR levels, I'm quite noob ton Diablo 3, but played many rol games for years (lineage 2, archeage mainly) so I'm used to roll stats, stack % and all that.

My actual build is: http://www.d3planner.com/288845497

It works well playing solo till lvl 50 or so, but impossible much higher, with some friends gettings to 62, beeing probably myself who hits more.

My doubt is.. my problem is just get better rolls on items, get ancestral items, enchant with gems for extra int and that, or main problem is that im only 400 on parangon? Just to focus on one or another thing to improve.

 

Thnx in advance!

 

 

Both things you mentioned are important - higher Paragon is realy useful (especially CDR, CHC, CHD). And ancient items (especially after you have improved them with gems) help you significantly.

Especially your amulet is weak (6% Attackspeed is bad, and 69% CHD isn't great either), but with time you'll find better ones, no problem here. (The amulet drops quite often.)

There is one way you can get XP fast, you get lot's of items and you can upgrade gems to enhance ancient items:

Greater Rifts.

Greater Rifts give you most legendaries per hour, the most xp per hour and you can upgrade gems.

Truth to be told, there is absolutly no reason why you should play anything else then Greater Rifts (which is quite a downside in the endgame). Sure, you have to do normal rifts to get GR Keystones. And sometimes you need to do bounties because you need the crafting materials.

 

I suggest you play rifts you can complete quite fast (around 5 - 10 minutes). You get more XP + Items if you complete 2 x GR 45 then if you complete 1 x GR 50. And you can level your gems way faster this way, at least to a rank where you still have a 100% chance.

[Valks 2,373]

On 1/17/2017 at 4:05 PM, Guest Aildiin said:

There are things you can do to improve your downtime outside of Greater Rifts 80+ , like using Obsidian Ring of Zodiac which will reduce your downtime tremendously.( but you need to use something else than Spectral Blades, personnally I use Arcane Torrent/Blizzard).

If anything, then RCR is actually worse than AD, since you need as much resource being spent as possible, no?

[Valks 2,373]

On 1/18/2017 at 10:06 PM, Sadiii said:

Is this an issue? 

It can definitely become an issue, especially when you are trying to stack mobs to Archon burst. I'd suggest Templar, as those above have already done.

[Valks 2,373]

On 1/19/2017 at 1:09 PM, WedgeAntilles said:

IMO definitly Templar.

He's always my go-to as well. Thanks again for helping to reply :)