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Warlocks trinket rotation in HFC

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Guys can you give me a list which trinket i should use on each boss in HFC

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Desecrated Shadowmoon Insignia should be used by all three specs on every single fight. It's incredibly good.

 

When playing Affliction I would use Iron Reaver Piston in the other trinket slot, especially in single target situations. Otherwise use the class trinket in multi target situations. 

 

Destruction opinions can vary. In situations where you can keep 5 stacks of the class trinket it will always be better. However, many fights have mechanics which make this less of a possibility. Gorefiend for example being one where I would use Goren Soul Repository over the class trinket. 

 

To recap, play affliction on single target fights with IRP and DSI as your two trinkets. Play destruction on fights where add damage is important. If you do a ton of target swapping making it impossible to reliably keep 5 stacks of your class trinket up on a target you should be using GSR instead.

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I'm going to slightly hijack this trinket thread....

 

I've had weird luck with trinkets recently, and I now have

Mythic War-forged BMC 

Mythic DuT with a gem slot

5 of 6 Sandman's Pouch

Normal DSI

 

I just got the legendary ring recently, and Pouch is simming higher than before.   Any suggestion on which ones to use for Destro & Affliction?   

DuT is obvious for Affliction, not sure if I should pair it with BMC or DSI.  If DSI was heroic it would be the obvious choice, but it's 16 item levels behind my BMC.  For Destruction I'm going with Pouch + BMC currently.

 

I'm saving up some mats, so I could upgrade the Pouch if it's worth it. 

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The more I use the destro class trinket the less I like it. It is hands down one of the most annoying trinkets I've ever had to deal with, micro managing the stacks just drives me nuts - mostly because of the fly time that each Incinerate takes to get to the target.

 

Sadly, I don't have any other trinkets to play around with yet so I'm forced using it.

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I have mythic warforged blackhand trinket and heroic socket goren soul trinket which should i use for destro cleave fights

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I avoid the Destruction class trinket like the plague.

 

The more I've progressed the more I can't stand it as well. It essentially has zero use for most Mythic fights you would be destruction on.

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Destruction opinions can vary. In situations where you can keep 5 stacks of the class trinket it will always be better. However, many fights have mechanics which make this less of a possibility. Gorefiend for example being one where I would use Goren Soul Repository over the class trinket. 

 

 

I'd stick with Class trinket for Gorefiend.  I get that its not strong for target swapping, which is a large forcus for the fight, however its hands down the best option for the 3 minutes of 100% extra dmg when you are actually killing the boss during Feasts.  You are not relying on trinket procs to kill the adds...

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I thought heroic gaze would be better than mythic goren...

 

By the way, isn't it good to keep boss on focus and just keep refreshing the debuff when its about to drop? Specially considering that destro is all about good havocs and the increased crit is so powerful when sniping shadow burns / using havoc chaos bolt, even if adds have to die you might not be increasing the dps on adds but u sure are on your main target. (could even use a macro to send an incinerate on your focus and a weak aura tracking the debuff on the focus)

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I thought heroic gaze would be better than mythic goren...

 

By the way, isn't it good to keep boss on focus and just keep refreshing the debuff when its about to drop? Specially considering that destro is all about good havocs and the increased crit is so powerful when sniping shadow burns / using havoc chaos bolt, even if adds have to die you might not be increasing the dps on adds but u sure are on your main target. (could even use a macro to send an incinerate on your focus and a weak aura tracking the debuff on the focus)

 

Technically you could try to do that. With that RNG of Shadow of Death, Touch of Doom, the shackle, and killing adds it would be way to inconsistent though.

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So you think UGoS (heroic) is worse than GSR (mythic) as well? Or perhaps is it fight dependent? Don't actually have it yet (have only seen it once) but trying to work out an optimal trinket set up for progress mythic fights.

 

Personally I got a heroic PoF in a cache and found it very lacking compared to a mythic GSR. Let the mages have all that hassle of trying to find the buff (or fun as they can actually keep it going much longer).

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I know this thread has been kind of geared towards destruction but lets just say for information sake I took affliction to every encounter. What encounters are coming out better for which trinkets?

 

Right now I have

 

DUT (Heroic)

CSP (Normal) - How do you get heroic/mythic?

UGoS (Normal)

BMC (Mythic)

GSR (Mythic)

 

Thank you!

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I have almost the same list I am wondering about. Except I now have heroic WF Fragment as well.

 

For council it should be great; but single target how good is Fragment HWF? Sucky that it cuts down on Drain soul time since I'd need to refresh lots more.

 

As far as I know Heroic/Mythic CSP is just a tooltip error and not actually in game. Which sucks.

 

So heroic fragment WF for which fights as affliction (heroic content only not a mythic raider)

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For destro, which trinkets?

 

Heroic Fragment WF

Heroic GSR (yep, heroic, never got mythic)

CSP

 

I sim best with Fragment and CSP. But I see pretty much no destro locks using it.

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That's a tough one. Do you have DSI available? Or is that it?

 

If that's it, I suggest CSP and GSR unless it's a fight where you can optimally use the Class Trinket. If that's the case, then Class Trinket>CSP imo. Never been a fan of stat sticks.

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I've had no luck with DSI. I hate that my GSR is heroic; and CSP seems over budget with all those stats so it's rough to just dump it. I've never had this much trouble in any other xpac figuring out trinkets.

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Hey all,

 

I wanted to jump in and get some advice on my trinket options as well..

 

I'm Destro/Aff depending on the fight.

 

I have:

 

Mythic DUT

Normal DSI

HWF GSR

Heroic UGoS

 

I'd like to replace something with Heroic UGoS but I'm not sure what the optimal combo is.

 

Thanks in advance! 

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I'm think for destro you'd want GSR and DSI. I don't think UGOS would pass DSI, even given it's heroic vs normal. Maybe I'm wrong about that but I would think if you're dumping on procs, that combo is just really strong.

 

For Aff you'd probably want DUT and DSI. DUT is just insanely good for Aff. I can't remember right now how good H UGos is, but i know DSI is excellent. I WISH I had it.

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Opinions for Mythic socketed DUT vs H Fragment for single target affliction?I don't have the heroic fragment yet to test, but I'm curious.

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I'll be the first to admit that in this tier the trinkets have given me some issues about figuring out which is best, both on specific fights and as combos. But for ST, I think your DUT with the socket might still pull ahead of  H Frag. I'm not completely confident about that tbh. I'd test it in game. At the very least Fragment will be more consistent dps, where DUT could be lucky or unlucky for you, especially if you're talking about burn/increased dmg phases. But overall they are probably pretty close. But on something like council I think Fragment would pull ahead if you have to choose between them.

 

Here's a good reference for trinkets: http://www.darkintentions.net/62-affliction-guide.html

 

I'm just not sure if this chart takes the aff buffs into account from awhile back, which may put Fragment above DUT in ST.

 

Simcraft is using Fragment for what it's worth. But that socket on DUT isn't irrelevant either. Picking between awesome trinkets is a great problem to have.

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Thanks for the  response. 

 

I wish getting a heroic trinket 20 ilvls higher than the previous tier was an easy no brainier switch. 

 

I've been using the HWF GSR and DSI as destro for the trinket procs to dump CB, and Mythic DUT and Normal DSI as aff because of the stats/procs.

 

Does anyone know i CSP is worth the Doom Lord farm? And, if I got it, should I replace existing trinkets?

 

Edit: I fail at quotes 

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CSP is a good trinket, underestimated imo. I'd at least take it over heroic Iron reaver trinket; it sims decently higher for me than IR trinket, though some on this site seem to think IR is better; maybe for their gear it is; but don't see those results. Some people don't like CSP because it's a stat stick; it isn't flashy; but it still is quite good, perhaps even over budget a bit.

 

TBH, I'm  not sure if it would outperform normal DSI though, especially if you get lucky procs at  the right time.  I haven't been able to test it out compared to DSI; but it's so easy to kill Kazzak that i'd say it's worth the 1 kill per week to see how it feels and what results you get, especially since you'll at least always get felblight for gold. I love CSP because it's "empowering" every single dmg spell you're doing with ALL of the trinket's stats; the RNG is removed. Having said that, I'm ditching it the moment Heroic DSI drops for me. Just not sure about normal DSI; I've had no luck there. Maybe someone else has used the two.

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Opinions for Mythic socketed DUT vs H Fragment for single target affliction?I don't have the heroic fragment yet to test, but I'm curious.

 

Just a bit in addition to what I previously wrote. While I think these are probably pretty close in ST, it might also depend on what your other trinket is. I just got heroic DSI w/socket, so I'm using that in both specs, on every fight; and my Heroic WF Fragment beats Mythic DUT  by around 320 dps, which is a virtual tie. It'd come down to personal preference/mechanics for ST fights. Then again, if there are any adds I plan on dotting up, like in Xul fight, Fragment is what i'm going with every time; those quick dots from Fragment are just so sweet. I should note this is for supremacy, not sac. I haven't simmed out sac yet with those trinkets.

 

For yours, with the socket on DUT and regular heroic Fragment, they'd still be so close in dps it probably wouldn't matter much in ST. Regardless, I'd still take Fragment for council and any other fight where you may be dotting up some adds, like Arch, Xul, maybe Deadeye if you aren't going destro, and even Iron Reaver. But pure ST fight? You probably can't go wrong. 

 

Side note which may not be irrelevant: I thought I would hate Fragment for Aff but I love it. I love that it changes the pacing of the spec. It's a pain for Council because DS is pretty much ignored for half the fight. But other than that Aff is just more interesting with Fragment. That alone will probably have me using it over DUT on ST fights.

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I'm back onto my Warlock after moving mage towards the tail end of BRF.

 

Been somewhat lucky in I got a Heroic Iron Piston trinket last night. I'm literally back on my lock two days.

 

Seems there is a lot of changing up regarding trinkets. Having to try find a Mythic BRF group pains me....I have the GSR on my mage, but not my warlock. So unless I strike lucky in a cache, probably wont be viable for me going back to get it...

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