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Posted 17 January 2013 - 08:51 AM
I'd like to discuss Holy Paladins with you all. I've read over everything Icy-Veins has been kind enough to provide for our assistance, but - I'd like to get everyone's opinions on certain things. I've been told that Paladins are very weak healers right now, and not the first choice for progression raids. The problem with that is that my main is a Paladin. I recently (1-2 months ago, now) came back to WoW after a three year hiatus. Needless to say, my Pali is quite different now than he was in Wrath. So, I'd like to talk to you all about that.
Personally, I've been intrigued by the Holy spec's use of Mastery. It's not beneficial for all classes and specs, frankly, but Holy Paladins is quite fun! Oh - I forgot to link my character.
Now for me, personally - I am not having an issue with maintaining my mana. So, I do not stack solid spirit like I've been told by many a healer and website. After all, I'm a big fan of the Glyph of Divine Plea. But here's my first question - do any of you other Pali healers feel like your heals are a little weak? My spellpower is 18K, which isn't very high, as I've noticed other healers with 20-25K spellpower. I've thought about gemming for solid intellect, but that seems foolish, considering it's half the stat weight of other gems. Plus, I have had a good experience with Mastery healing.
The odd part is, I'm not having trouble topping the healing charts. And no - I don't mean that as a cocky statement, please don't misunderstand. The most my Paladin has done is 35K hps. My priest can do about 55K hps. (I've even tested this raiding with my same guild group, and faired just as well with the lower hps.) Also, it's important to note, that I am not an Eternal Flame blanketer. I've read about that, and I find it silly and a waste of time. Padding your numbers is not beneficial to the raid! For example, I don't even have recount up while in LFR. I only use it in my 10 man to make sure that myself (and the other healers) are all doing our parts and staying true to our healing assignments.
So, how are you other Pali healers fairing? Gearing differently than Icy-Veins recommends? Exactly the same? I'm open to all opinions and all advice. Thank you so much for taking the time to read this. Take care!
P.S. - Sorry for being longwinded... I really had to stop myself from saying more. :x Lol!
Posted 17 January 2013 - 08:24 PM
Anyway, Mastery is a very good way to go and I feel paladins are really good healers at the moment. They can excel more at single target tank healing then raid healing, but they are excellent at both.
To give an example, I have a log from our first heroic Garaon kill from yesterday.
Now when you look at it you might think there are 8 healers, but really the last two are shadow preists that are spamming divine star. Above the two shadow priests is one of our best healers. Geoda (a paladin), but he is on te bottom of the charts. Why? Because he was assigned the sole responsibility of keeping the Pheromone kiter alive. So he did not do too much AoE healing. Then you look at the top of the list. there is Tolzzy, our other paladin healer. He was assigned the responsbilty (along with me) of running with the melee group and healing them as they dps Garalon's legs and when Melee was with the rest of the range group, he would help heal everyone else as well. He ended up on top because of that role. You can also tell by their spell usage that they were performing their roles effectively.and correctly.
Now obviously we have a lot more gear then you, but if you look at their armorys, they are gemming a lot more spirit then you are.
IMO, even if you are good with mana, having more can still help your longevity which will allow you to heal more often or save it for wen you need it.
Ask Mr.Robot also has great pre-sets for holy paladin builds if you care to look at that.
To conclude, I think Holy Paladins are in a great position, as they always have been. They are not the strong AoE healers they were in Dragon Soul, but they still perform really well. IMO, they are the most balanced healers.
Edited by krazyito65, 17 January 2013 - 08:40 PM.
All the healing alts!
Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:24 PM
Posted 17 January 2013 - 10:42 PM
EDIT: To say something else, Sacred Shield is more useful on this fight for Tolzzy (AoE Healer) becasue both tanks are taking the same damage at the same time. So there is no tank switch and I'm not sure how Sacred shield acts with a Prot Pallys. To say the least, its pretty good on this fight since both tank tanke the same amount of damage at the same time and one already has sacred shield.
Though I have seen Tolzzy make good use of selfless healer on some fights (I think Heroic Will of the Emperor was one). IMO that tier of talents gives you a lot of choice for play styles and should be taken into consideration each time you want to try to improve your healing. Being able to use all 3 can greatly diversify your healing to make you adaptable to any encounter. To say the least, I know our paladins make use of both EF and Sacred Shield, and the occasional Selfless Healer for specific fights.
Also, on EF blanket, you definitely don't have to blanket, but remember all those HoT ticks from EF will transfer to your beacon target which can help steady tank damage. If you are using EF, you should probabl at least make use of it on people that need the WoG heal and the EF ticks are extra for your beacon.
EDIT again: Last thing to note. Even though spirit stacking may seem silly (I understand, because I played a resto druid from late wrath through early MoP, and I stacked pure intellect and almost reached a 190k passive mana pool in late cata, when the average was 150k~). But when MoP hit, and the intellect/Mana Pool change came into effect, spirit has just become a very necessary stat. With blues, you need to stack spirit. It is just the best way to go. Intellect and more spirit will come with gear. When you have more gear and can maintain a 10k-13k spirit pool and are comfortable, then I would say start making the intellect switch.
Edited by krazyito65, 17 January 2013 - 11:02 PM.
All the healing alts!
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Edited by Krazyito, 24 January 2013 - 06:38 AM.
All the healing alts!
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 04:53 PM
All the healing alts!
Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:02 AM
Besides the obvious unenchanted shoulders and enchants ( just got them) i have 10% haste with no buffs. i think thats a bit much, but have a look see on her. This is my first forum post and not sure of any forum etiquette. Thanks.
I have started to do a spirit and mastery build now. the difference is significant. i dont hardly oom anymore and my "HPS" is up. due to the higher mastery thus more "absorbs" that count toward the HPS counter.
Edited by CodyCarlisle, 05 April 2013 - 04:44 AM.