Ragneir

Mistweaver Help

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Hey there.

 

I've been searching for ways to optimize and improve my healing in raids as a Mistweaver monk.

I've been reading guides, getting tips, and making huge changes in my playstyle so I could achieve this.

 

Still, I end up coming short compared to other healers, and I started checking logs from other Mistweavers and it shocks me how bad I am.

 

http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/combatlog/d1d80897-0779-4a93-8ae9-5a5dbcd2dc6b/report/86#v=1,d=1,c=17

 

This is my most recent raid kill. It points directly at my heals for ease of access.

 

Then I decided to check random logs of people around my Ilvl and on the same fight, and I got this guy.

 

http://www.askmrrobot.com/wow/combatlog/f1dabc67-b9f4-4dc4-bf60-d58c00d5080b/report/19#v=1,d=1,c=9

 

It baffles me how he can produce more than half of my healing with  just Uplift, and at that log's date, he had stats a little worse than mine.

I've tried Uplift as my main source of healing but I can't keep it up, it doesn't seem to heal as much most of the time.

It literally killed my whole motivation, and I can't figure out how he does it.

I'll provide whatever I can so someone can help me.

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AMR's combat log parser is very good for doing a raid analysis, ie. how did we as a group do.  What it isn't good for is individual analysis.  If you can, please re-upload the logs to Warcraftlogs.

 

The first thing I notice is that you're 4 healing a 13 man group, and I'm really surprised that you aren't overhealing a LOT more than you are.  One thing to note as well with a Mistweaver, is that MW's don't really shine until you've got a larger group, ideally 20 or more.  This allows you to blanket the raid with Renewing Mists without constantly overwriting active ReM's and then use Uplift as your main Chi spender.  The smaller the group, the worse a MW will do simply because there's a lack of people to use ReM on that don't already have it, and if everyone already has ReM up, then it won't jump to other targets when you refresh it.

 

The second thing is that you simply aren't using renewing mists as much.  Only 18 casts in 8:31.  Without Pool of Mists, you should've had close to 60, and with PoM that should be well above 100 casts, and neither of those numbers are accounting for multistrike resets.  Correcting this will lead to correcting the next issue, which is Uplift healing.  Uplift ONLY heals people that have Renewing Mists active on them, so casting more ReM's will lead to casting more Uplifts and more Uplift healing.

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Thanks for the response.

 

My reasoning for not using Renewing Mists that much is because I got told I had to make my healing similar to the Disc Priest on that same log.

Because of this I have been attempting different kinds of healing, more centered in Soothing Mist + Enveloping Mist + RJW.

 

Thanks for the quick insight though. I will have a new log tomorrow, I will update that one to warcraftlogs :)

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My reasoning for not using Renewing Mists that much is because I got told I had to make my healing similar to the Disc Priest on that same log.

That is the stupidest thing I've heard in awhile.  Disc priests are a completely different style of healing and niche.  Disc is all about the shields and bubbles and preventing damage, whereas MW's niche is being able to pump out large amounts of raid healing quickly with ReM/Uplift combo and RJW (close range).

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My reasoning for not using Renewing Mists that much is because I got told I had to make my healing similar to the Disc Priest on that same log.

That is the stupidest thing I've heard in awhile.  Disc priests are a completely different style of healing and niche.  Disc is all about the shields and bubbles and preventing damage, whereas MW's niche is being able to pump out large amounts of raid healing quickly with ReM/Uplift combo and RJW (close range).

 

 

I tried to talk with them about that, but they said my healing could improve nontheless, to which I agreed.

Right now I'm just trying to see what I'm doing wrong.. I know about ReM + Uplift, right now it's just me trying to figure out if I'm doing anything wrong. For example, on those 2 logs I provided, there's also a Disc Priest there, yet the Mistweaver just completely outshined him.

 

Our group usually gets most of its damage prevented by the Disc Priest, and we usually only tend to take huge amounts of damage on AoE phases. Hence my extreme usage of Soothing Mist + Enveloping mist, since I was basically healing the active tank

 

The group is definitely small so it might affect how much healing/overhealing I tend to do, but right now I'm just trying to get help from anyone I can and see if I can improve on anything I do.

 

As I said, tomorrow we'll be doing another raid night, so I'll try to get the logs on warcraftlogs.

 

And once again, thank you for the help :)

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Hey, I'm back!

 

We did a few attempts today and I have the logs on warcraftlogs as requested!

It is the first time I'm uploading here, so bear with me.

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1jKrmayX8JB2GW69/#type=summary&fight=85

 

Zakuun kill we did

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1jKrmayX8JB2GW69/#type=summary&fight=87

 

And this is the first pull on Xhul'Horac, check the other wipes aswell!!

 

All I need is guidance, advice, anything that can help me be more effective and less of a dead weight!

 

Thank you in advance to whoever takes their time to help :D

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Your healingstyle need to vary a bit depending on witch boss you are doing but there are some things to keep in mind.

First of, mw monks often count as a melee when it comes to some boss abilities which means that we can ignore them more or less, like the tos up in the air on archimond. So dont be afraind to stand in melee and use RJW if you have mana to spend. Beeing in melee range and not having to care about range between players may also make it a bit easier to concentrate on healing.

Its also improtant to keep casting ReM in advance. Since we need ReM on a lot of people to make Uplift usefull we need to cast it in advance so that Uplift can be used as soon as the damage comes. This is important on abilities like Kromog-Pound, Iron reaver-Pound, Killrogg-death throws ect.

 

Last and most important, try to get 4-set as soon as possible. My healingoutput increased like 20% when i got it. I went from trying hard not to be last at healing done to beeing on top every time when i got 4-set. And with it you can, if you are assignd as a tankhealer, just keep extend life on the tanks and still raidheal with Uplift (heal the tank for like 90-150k every Uplift smile.png ).

Hope this helps a bit, and dont give up hope befor you get 4-set! smile.png

 

 

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Your healingstyle need to vary a bit depending on witch boss you are doing but there are some things to keep in mind.

First of, mw monks often count as a melee when it comes to some boss abilities which means that we can ignore them more or less, like the tos up in the air on archimond. So dont be afraind to stand in melee and use RJW if you have mana to spend. Beeing in melee range and not having to care about range between players may also make it a bit easier to concentrate on healing.

Its also improtant to keep casting ReM in advance. Since we need ReM on a lot of people to make Uplift usefull we need to cast it in advance so that Uplift can be used as soon as the damage comes. This is important on abilities like Kromog-Pound, Iron reaver-Pound, Killrogg-death throws ect.

 

Last and most important, try to get 4-set as soon as possible. My healingoutput increased like 20% when i got it. I went from trying hard not to be last at healing done to beeing on top every time when i got 4-set. And with it you can, if you are assignd as a tankhealer, just keep extend life on the tanks and still raidheal with Uplift (heal the tank for like 90-150k every Uplift smile.png ).

Hope this helps a bit, and dont give up hope befor you get 4-set! smile.png

 

Thank you so much for your input.

 

I have been looking at bosses in a different way and I've been using ReM usually before raid damage to spam uplift with when we're sustaining said damage.

 

I'm currently trying to get my 4-piece, it's pretty hard as I'm unlucky with the drops! tongue.png

 

You think there is anything I can make in my rotation that can be improved? I'd appreciate any help!

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I had a quick look and there is one other thing that can heavily skew the HPS of a MW and that it revival.

 

There were a few pulls i saw where you were below the other MW but you had no Revival casts and the other did.

 

A well timed revival can heal for huge amounts so either make sure you are in a healer cd rotation or if your group doesnt have one, try to use it as many times as you can in a fight to ensure maximum use.

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One thing to think about is which chi finnisher you use. Unless a tank is about to die or everyone is on full health you should allways use Uplift.
When you get 4-set you can get away without using Enveloping mist at all but befor that only use when in great need.

The other part is chi building. When you are not casting Uplift you should focus on gathering chi as fast as possible so you can cast Uplift again. So no standing around casting Soothing mist unless it is to instantcast stuff.
Try adding Expel harm to your rotation as chi builder, its instant and its cheap.
And never have 3 stacks of ReM.

Other than that, allways use chi burst more or less on cooldown and try to never have 2 stacks of chi brew unless some major aoedmg is coming up and you want to use 4xUplift quick.

I found this blog to be of help to me:
http://mistyteahouse.com/mistweaver-guide/advanced-mistweaving-strategy/
You can find youtube videos of every encounter from a MW POV there aswell

 

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One thing to think about is which chi finnisher you use. Unless a tank is about to die or everyone is on full health you should allways use Uplift.

When you get 4-set you can get away without using Enveloping mist at all but befor that only use when in great need.

The other part is chi building. When you are not casting Uplift you should focus on gathering chi as fast as possible so you can cast Uplift again. So no standing around casting Soothing mist unless it is to instantcast stuff.

Try adding Expel harm to your rotation as chi builder, its instant and its cheap.

And never have 3 stacks of ReM.

Other than that, allways use chi burst more or less on cooldown and try to never have 2 stacks of chi brew unless some major aoedmg is coming up and you want to use 4xUplift quick.

I found this blog to be of help to me:

http://mistyteahouse.com/mistweaver-guide/advanced-mistweaving-strategy/

You can find youtube videos of every encounter from a MW POV there aswell

 

 

 

Thank you so much for your input. I will use Expel Harm from now on at all times.

 

Also, I've been reading that blog for a while now, Honestly the only thing I haven't actually seen is the videos, I'll make sure to watch them in a couple!

 

Thanks once more for your help!

 

I will have more logs tonight :)

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Hello guys, I'm back with some more logs from tonight, if anyone could tell me what I'm doing wrong, I'd appreciate it loads smile.png

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8ZaFT4bKQrh7RXny/#boss=-3&type=summary

 

 

My own thoughts:

 

Today I went completely out. I used practically everything on cooldown (not just spamming it ofcourse, smart healing), I didn't care about my mana at all, so I ran out of mana a few times.

I need to use TFT, I simply forget to use it.

Sometimes I feel a bit lost when I'm blanketing everyone with Renewing Mist and nobody has lost much health. I end up losing many ReM from people when the damage starts pumping out.

I need to be more careful with my chi, whenever I get a multistrike rampage with ReM, I end up not generating 2 or 3 chi, which is a waste.

I also went fistweaving on the first couple of fights, namely Hellfire Assault and Fel Reaver. Thus my healing there is kinda low since I started healing around halfway through.

 

Those are my notes... If anyone more experienced can skim through the logs and let me know, I'd appreciate it a lot!

 

Thanks and have a great day!

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I didnt check much of your logs, but got some points to tranquilize you...
 
Healer's logs arent like DPS logs. For heals to exist, damage has to exist. And this damage is shared between the healers. If a group does mechanics badly, HPS increases. If there are less heals, HPS increases.
 
Also when you have a disc priest on the group, you need to compare yourself with the other output healers.
 
Normally it will be the disc (and pally) some 10% ahead and the other heals fighting for the rest. Thats completely normal. As group size and damage increases, disc tends to get closer to the other heals. That's because although disc can prevent damage, it is slow on "topping" the raid.
 
Second point, MW (without 4pc) is not that good for small groups. Spot heals and tank heals prevail over raid heals on smaller groups. Quick spot heals arent really MW niche. You need to heal differently depending on you group size and execution (thus damage taken). There was a time in which I caught myself spamming surging mist simply because there was absolutely nothing better to do (and SM is nothing expensive compared to RJW).
 
Third and most important point: T18p4 IS INSANE. Your meters will burst after it. It adds you spot heals (which were MW badness) while doing AE heals. In my case, it normally ties with uplift in heal % (increasing with group dmg). In some edge cases, for example on Kilrogg "cleave" dot, Extend Life is by far the top %.
 
For instance, in this Kilrogg fight, Extend Life (2pc + 4pc parts) did 28% of my healing.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Z8pmYFR6CknyVQAB#fight=31&type=healing
 

The other part is chi building. When you are not casting Uplift you should focus on gathering chi so you can cast Uplift again. So no standing around casting Soothing mist unless it is to instantcast stuff.


Thats not a rule. You dont need to rush to fill up you chi unless there's strong damage incoming. And soothing mist, even without T17 is a strong single target heal. In a lot of cases just soothing is indeed the best action.

 

With T18-4p, wasting ReMs to fill up chi can be actually pretty bad. Since extend life is so strong, on the eminence of strong AoE damage may prefer to use your 3-4 ReMs just before the damage comes in to maximize extend life buffed players.

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  Thank you so much for your insight.

  I've decided after a few runs that I shouldn't really be worried about how much I'm healing, but in simply keeping people alive and healing more smart instead of just spamming everything.

  Several people have told me exactly the same as you said about Disc priests. They'll almost always be on top since they're almost always pumping out effective healing through bubbles. So I stopped worrying about this comparison and started worrying about my own and my girlfriend's performance.

 

Over the last few days I have been practicing my mechanics and rotations nonstop. I even did Endless Healer on Proving Grounds with my current gear and managed to pass it.

 

 

For heals to exist, damage has to exist. And this damage is shared between the healers. If a group does mechanics badly, HPS increases. If there are less heals, HPS increases.

 

   This is what makes our heals a bit weak compared to the Disc Priest. Usually, when too much damage goes out and people die instantly, we usually wipe, not giving us conventional healers the chance to heal.

 

 Anyway, our group has grown since the last logs, we are now 19 raiding. As Orthios said on the first post, Mistweavers start shining when the groups become larger. This proved totally true tonight.

 

I also managed to roll a 3rd Tier piece, and I'm hoping I get the fourth next raid night, although the officers have decided that 2 piece set bonus has priority over 4-piece set bonus. But let us hope :)

 

Here are the logs from tonight's raid. We Mistweavers shined hard on Gorefiend and Kormrok.

 

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/vbYWkDM2P3jyFXCz

 

If anyone wishes to take a look at that and give me a couple of pointers, maybe I'm still doing something wrong, or not!

 

But at the moment I am extremely pleased with my performance overall, and I got a huge confidence boost by being able to complete Endless Healer on Proving Grounds, with ilvl 698.

 

Thanks once more for everyone's input!

 

Have a great night/day!

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