Warlock 5.2 DPS Attunements and new Simulated DPS (112 replies to this topic)

That seems...insane, but then again, Wild Imp: Firebolt is always in my top 3...let me dig out an OOOOOLLLLD Demo parse...

http://www.worldoflo...21&e=2747#Zagam

Wow, still ranked #23 even though that is from January 3.  I think I was just trying it out, too.

http://www.worldoflo.../?s=2421&e=2747

My imps are hitting for about 13.9k (14k for rounding purposes) way back then...probably around 15-16% mastery and definitely over 20k spell power.  With that formula, it's saying it shoulda been hitting for 19k at least...seems fishy.  If that's the new PTR formula, HOLY HELL WOOOOO lol

Now that I think about it, if that 's the nwe Wild Imps formula, then the other formulas are probably updated as well.  I'm not touching anything til things calm down.

Hey guys. I'm recently back in WoW from a long break. Quit early in Firelands. I've raided Demo since beginning of Wrath, but Blizzard has made some huge changes!

I see even more in the way. I'm fine with this, and I'm still doing respectable DPS, but I'm always looking to be better.

That being said I've seen that stat weights for demo put hate way behind crit/mastery. However, I also see a lot if calculations that have 4717 haste while saying that.


I just want to confirm I should be pushing for that haste breakpoint of 4717 before pushing crit/mastery?

I'm excited about these 5.2 buffs, though!

I'll be testing haste thresholds this weekend.  I'm going to be running LFR as Demonology and get a feel for how things are...then drool at how much better they will be in a few days.  I'll keep you posted.

Awesome, thanks Zagam!

damn zagam ur getting me really excited for this patch and its still 2 week i just wanna go demo now hehe. Green fire + demo/destro buffs + cool looking raid? WoW is feeling pretty good right now.

Hoping you do more simming + BiS stuff closer to live, really enjoying reading urs and others theorycrafting etc

also whats the best way to do reforging as demo at the moment? I'm trying to find a decent idea of how to go crit and when to go mastery but either the icy veins says put all about the same aswell as haste or reforgelite tries to put everything as crit. i have 490ilvl and i can hit the 4717 haste breakpoint as affliction.

Edited by Cthuulhu, 22 February 2013 - 10:49 PM.

Cthuulhu, on 22 February 2013 - 10:13 PM, said:

All the secondaries are currently pretty close.  I'd just let Zagam do his thing and find out.  =)

Also Zagam, the most recent PTR changes didn't put the Shadowflame portion of HoG through.  May want to see if that's actually the case.

Honestly, it felt too OP to see all those buffs.  Shadowflame wouldn't really contribute much to single target, but a 15% buff to Shadowflame would be a lot.  I was doing 500k+ on trash.  Anyways, for analysis sake, here are my logs of first half of MSV and HoF in LFR.  I'm going to try to get into some other crap tonight, so I'll keep things update.  Long story short...Demo is really fun and isn't that bad.  Stat reforging is still Haste = Mastery because Crit scaling is garbage and none of my gear has it.

http://www.worldoflo...38wnu394puyr3a/

I expect a Hand of Guldan/Chaos Wave revert on demo tough, they clearly do not want to have that much burst and thats why they nerf it back then, i guess the chaos wave part will be removed. On Destro the reason behind nerfing sacrifice was mostly pvp chaos bolts doing to much on rbgs specially, moving the damage to incinerate/immo seems good for both ends

With the nerf to GoSac, any update on the difference between grimoires for each spec?

They just recently did a flat out buff to SB/MG for all specs. How will that be accounted for?

Oh Zagam this makes me so happy.  I've been cranky playing affliction, I love demonology SO much more.  Here's hoping it's true, that I'll really be able to do as well.

Zagam, on 23 February 2013 - 05:37 PM, said:

How did Service feel for you?  How did you use it?  Did you pop it along with Imp Swarm every other Dark Soul CD or did you do something different?

Also, Blizz has already admitted that some of the balance passes they made for damage tweaks were a bit much (largely DK), but we weren't on that list so..... woo?!

I have no doubt you could have done much better than you did, demonology isn't a spec that you just fit right back into.  It's really sensitive to playstyle.  I'm getting pretty excited, don't nerf me bro!

It's funny though.  I started out raiding as demonology and I felt like I had a really good grasp on it.  I thought *affliction* was the pain in the ass spec to play, but it's really pretty straight forward.  "Derp derp, make sure you make storng dots last long."  Now, looking again towards demonology I'm remembering all the little quirks and things that I never really ironed out on my first time through.  It'll be a challenge to really show this spec off I think.

Edited by Omaric, 25 February 2013 - 04:09 PM.

Affliction scales WAY better than the other two specs so i think it's going to be the top spec even after the patch hits.

niquetine, on 25 February 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

Keep in mind that not only did Demonology and Destruction get base damage increases to their commonly used spells, but they also received increased spell power scaling to them as well.  So, that may skew how you feel.

Warlock (Forums, Talent Calculator)
Talents

• Grimoire of Sacrifice (Affliction) You sacrifice your demon to gain one of its abilities, increase the power of many of your single target spells by 45% 35% and regenerate 2% of maximum health every 5 sec.
  
• Grimoire of Sacrifice (Destruction) You sacrifice your demon to gain one of its abilities, increase the power of many of your single target spells by 20% 15% and regenerate 2% of maximum health every 5 sec.

Affliction is done.  With no other nerfs baseline, I think that Affliction will continue to be nerfed until it's well below Demonology.  Destruction's extra hit on Grim of Sac goes right back to GC's response that he does NOT want Destruction taking Grimoire of Sacrifice.  Get used to that Observer if you guys like playing Destruction.

Holy Hannah!  Apparently they don't want Affliction using it either.  XD

I think a lot of people disregard the health regen that GoS packs as well.

Edited by Omaric, 25 February 2013 - 08:27 PM.

It upsets me the most that they're nerfing it for Destruction as Destruction has always been that "Mage" spec... so Pet saccin' fit with the motif to me. But I also know that Chaos Bolt in PvP was silly and GoSac was a big contributer.

My hopes is that once tests are run we'll see that GoSac is no longer leaps above the other two options, but at least a viable option for Destruction (and maybe Afflic). The idea for talents in MoP is to try and make all 3 options roughly equal and interesting to pick between. If all the Grimoire's can come close to each other in DPS gains, I'd be ok with it. Right now the issue is that other than Demo, you're horribly penalized for NOT picking GoSac.

Now if only they'd work on making all 3 of our 90 talents interesting and equal... currently Kiljaeden is the only viable raiding option and with the buff to it in 5.2, even more so.

With those nerfs i just quit Affliction, they nerfed Sacrifice until Oblivion and playing with a demon with Affliction just sucks.

Damn blizzard, why nerfed Sacrifice so hard? Even Service will be better than this piece of shit.

For Destro is worse, will screw the burst on PVP while some classes get some buffs like DK and Mage, OMFG WHY?!

Damn, why som much hate on Warlocks.

Edited by JvChequer, 25 February 2013 - 09:53 PM.

They've mentioned it before that they wanted GoSac to be the minority pick as far as grimoires go. It was meant for people that absolutely, 100% couldn't stand using a pet and were willing to take a slight damage loss. I don't mind having a pet and tbh its something I missed from my old raiding days.