Unholy Death Knight 7.3

[Alipheese 0]

1 hour ago, Blainie said:

We generally try to stay away from listing weights, since they are often very inaccurate unless maintained very closely by the author. You'd be better off using your own character in Simcraft to see what weights fit your current gear level.

How would I do that? I'm a pretty big novice when it comes to all this. I only playes very casually and periodically since Wrath ended, and I can't remember how to use all these extra programs.

 

Is there a quick and easy guide from simming your own character and getting good (correct) results out of it? I've been wanting to get into Mythic + dungeons and Normal and Heroic raiding this expansion, so even though I probably won't raid Mythic, I still want to be the best I can, and knowng how to use simulators would help a lot.

[Guest Faelosia]

Hi guys,

Considering I have  The Instructor's Fourth Lesson ; Am I correct thinking i should rather take  Bursting Sores as first talent rather than  All Will Serve ? Would seem logical as the legendary make you rely even more on the wounds damages.

Thanks !

[Valks 2,373]

On 9/20/2016 at 5:35 AM, Alipheese said:

How would I do that? I'm a pretty big novice when it comes to all this. I only playes very casually and periodically since Wrath ended, and I can't remember how to use all these extra programs.

Is there a quick and easy guide from simming your own character and getting good (correct) results out of it? I've been wanting to get into Mythic + dungeons and Normal and Heroic raiding this expansion, so even though I probably won't raid Mythic, I still want to be the best I can, and knowng how to use simulators would help a lot.

This seems to be a recurring question, I'll put up a post on the forums this week detailing everything so that players can use it. Will link to you when done.

[Valks 2,373]

On 9/20/2016 at 11:33 AM, Guest Faelosia said:

Hi guys,

Considering I have  The Instructor's Fourth Lesson ; Am I correct thinking i should rather take  Bursting Sores as first talent rather than  All Will Serve ? Would seem logical as the legendary make you rely even more on the wounds damages.

Thanks !

This is an interesting one. I don't think you would change it, since you're not actually bursting more Wounds, you're just bursting them faster. You are still limited by how many wounds you can apply. I'd say that it makes Castigator a definite choice in the level 45 tier, but I imagine All Will Serve is still better on ST for this tier. The fact that you are now also gearing crit for Castigator, it makes All Will Serve even better, since it scales from Crit.

Just my 2 cents, perhaps Tegu or @demonardvark can further clarify.

[demonardvark 556]

31 minutes ago, Blainie said:

This is an interesting one. I don't think you would change it, since you're not actually bursting more Wounds, you're just bursting them faster. You are still limited by how many wounds you can apply. I'd say that it makes Castigator a definite choice in the level 45 tier, but I imagine All Will Serve is still better on ST for this tier. The fact that you are now also gearing crit for Castigator, it makes All Will Serve even better, since it scales from Crit.

Just my 2 cents, perhaps Tegu or @demonardvark can further clarify.

In general correct but it depends on content. So for EN you want all will serve on ursoc and Nythendra for dps checks, then bursting sores for everything else. EN has lots of add cleave, so while AWS is good for raw single you need to focus on other things. For mythics and + Bursting sores is probably best for the add cleave. So, its sort of situational.

[Valks 2,373]

1 hour ago, demonardvark said:

In general correct but it depends on content. So for EN you want all will serve on ursoc and Nythendra for dps checks, then bursting sores for everything else. EN has lots of add cleave, so while AWS is good for raw single you need to focus on other things. For mythics and + Bursting sores is probably best for the add cleave. So, its sort of situational.

Thanks for clarifying. There's your answer Guest!

[Guest thesacred1]

Hi Tegu, I have been playing casters most of my time in wow and sometimes tanked a little as blood dk. I have got a question about the guide if I may:

 

As a fire mage I am very used to burst phases and know the damage potential of well executed ones, so for example the deal with dark arbiter isn´t really an issue, my problem at the moment is, that I basically am so used to more priorities than strict rotations and seem to miss the fillers in between the actions described.

Also I am not too sure how to exactly push up my rp before a boss fight, what exactly you meen, because we usually take our time preping and stuff.

[demonardvark 556]

5 hours ago, Guest thesacred1 said:

Hi Tegu, I have been playing casters most of my time in wow and sometimes tanked a little as blood dk. I have got a question about the guide if I may:

 

As a fire mage I am very used to burst phases and know the damage potential of well executed ones, so for example the deal with dark arbiter isn´t really an issue, my problem at the moment is, that I basically am so used to more priorities than strict rotations and seem to miss the fillers in between the actions described.

Also I am not too sure how to exactly push up my rp before a boss fight, what exactly you meen, because we usually take our time preping and stuff.

The unholy rotation is complex but it doesn't really follow a hard push this button then this button playstyle, its more about priorities and making smart decisions and micromanagement . So, super simplified, keep up diseases, keep pet transformed, apply wounds, pop em, spam death coil. So, if your disease is up and your pet is transformed the most simple rotation is apply wounds then pop em, once you are done spam death coil. That's it. After that its just about when to do things. So how many wounds do you want to have before you start popping them? Well it depends on your talents and legendaries. So, really its more about quick decision making and tracking quite a few things. So, first practice makes perfect and second a weak aura string would probably help you get used to it :).  You mentioned fire mage, its a lot like that, depending on procs or situation you will cast things in different order but you are still using the same 3-4 spells the entire time. 

As far as push rp before boss fight, its a technique that got nerfed heavily but still has some value. We use runic power to fuel death coil and in one talent case Dark Arbiter. The more runic power we spend while she is out, the more damage she does. It's best to use her at lust/hero which is typically the start of the fight. There is a problem though, she needs a lot of runic power to fuel her, we start with zero, and it'll take a few GCD's to build it up. So, we have less time in burst window. So, using epidemic we can pre generate some runic power before the fight starts. By casting epidemic (talent ability) multiple times without targeting anything, we can pre generate runic power. Now, its been nerfed, it caps at 20, but that's 20 more then we had. So we can hit max runic power for dark arbiter that much faster. Pre pooling used to be a lot more valuable that's why they killed it but, some at start is still better than none. 

[Valks 2,373]

5 hours ago, Guest thesacred1 said:

Also I am not too sure how to exactly push up my rp before a boss fight, what exactly you meen, because we usually take our time preping and stuff.

Just further to what demon has said above, if you're really struggling, you could always ask for more in-depth help on our DK forums. You could post a log and let us see exactly what and when you are missing, so as to help you better.

[Guest Rydin]

19 hours ago, Blainie said:

This is an interesting one. I don't think you would change it, since you're not actually bursting more Wounds, you're just bursting them faster. You are still limited by how many wounds you can apply. I'd say that it makes Castigator a definite choice in the level 45 tier, but I imagine All Will Serve is still better on ST for this tier. The fact that you are now also gearing crit for Castigator, it makes All Will Serve even better, since it scales from Crit.

Just my 2 cents, perhaps Tegu or @demonardvark can further clarify.

I believe that is incorrect. You will be spending less runes bursting sores with ss. So you will have more runes to spend in fs. = more sores to burst. 

 

[Tegu 1]

On 9/19/2016 at 1:27 PM, Alipheese said:

Is there any way to get some stat weights that I could put into Pawn? I like using the addon as a second opinion on a piece of gear, and it makes it simpler to decide if a given piece would be an upgrade or not. Especially in the cases of rings and trinkets without STR on them, since a lower ilvl ring might be better if the stat distribution is better.

 

The only ones I found were from Noxxic, but I've heard their information is garbage.

Sorry i don't have stat weights, you usually want the items with crit and haste, if you are at 18 % haste then you want crit and mastery and if the ring/necks have those stats and you have different  ring/neck with 5 item level higher then you go with the crit one for example.

On 9/19/2016 at 6:26 PM, Guest bossfight said:

on simcraft the build is unholy frenzy haste stacking what are your thought on this tegu

Unholy Frenzy isn't a option.

On 9/20/2016 at 7:35 AM, Alipheese said:

How would I do that? I'm a pretty big novice when it comes to all this. I only playes very casually and periodically since Wrath ended, and I can't remember how to use all these extra programs.

 

Is there a quick and easy guide from simming your own character and getting good (correct) results out of it? I've been wanting to get into Mythic + dungeons and Normal and Heroic raiding this expansion, so even though I probably won't raid Mythic, I still want to be the best I can, and knowng how to use simulators would help a lot.

Perhaps on the simcraft's site you can find a guide  about simming your characters but we don't provide such information. Also learning to sim isn't enough, you need to be able to make APL's or use ones that have been made by trustworthy Death Knights which is really hard to find.

 

On 9/20/2016 at 1:33 PM, Guest Faelosia said:

Hi guys,

Considering I have  The Instructor's Fourth Lesson ; Am I correct thinking i should rather take  Bursting Sores as first talent rather than  All Will Serve ? Would seem logical as the legendary make you rely even more on the wounds damages.

Thanks !

Yeah if you have the bracers you always go Bursting Sores uneless you need massive AoE in which case you go with Ebon Fever.

18 hours ago, Guest thesacred1 said:

Hi Tegu, I have been playing casters most of my time in wow and sometimes tanked a little as blood dk. I have got a question about the guide if I may:

 

As a fire mage I am very used to burst phases and know the damage potential of well executed ones, so for example the deal with dark arbiter isn´t really an issue, my problem at the moment is, that I basically am so used to more priorities than strict rotations and seem to miss the fillers in between the actions described.

Also I am not too sure how to exactly push up my rp before a boss fight, what exactly you meen, because we usually take our time preping and stuff.

There will be situations where  you are gonna be capping your Runic Power and especially on pulls you will be swimming in resources the general idea is to use your runes before capping them even if you might overcap the runic power. If you have 3 runes re-charging prio the Runic Power if you are capped.

5 hours ago, Guest Rydin said:

I believe that is incorrect. You will be spending less runes bursting sores with ss. So you will have more runes to spend in fs. = more sores to burst. 

 

Like i said just go Bursting Sores for single target and cleave,  those bracers are insane and you should try to SS when you have more than 4,5 FW on your target.

 

 

Also i want to apologize to everyone that have been trying to contact me but i have been extremely busy with the preparation to  Mythic raiding next week, things won't change till Xavius (Mythic) is dead. I keep checking the forums when i can but unfortunately can't reply as fast as i would like to.

 

[Valks 2,373]

Generic comment being mass posted over the comments threads guys.

We are aware of the changes and our writers are working hard to update the guides to suit what has changed. Currently, there is a lot of work still to be done and it's unlikely that every guide will be up-to-date immediately. Expect a flood of updates over the coming days that will answer all of your questions about what is now best after X change, in time for the reset next week.

Thanks for your understanding and patience.

[Guest Kank]

With the changes to potions, is it better using Deadly Grace or Old War?  Also would one be better than the others on certain fights / situations?

[Kankersore 0]

Which potion are we supposed to be using?  I've seen people use Deadly Grace and Old War.  Can't get a straight answer as to why for either or.   Also if you use one for fight A would there be a reason to use the other for fight B?

[Guest Adam]

Potion of the Old War should be used now (as it's no longer bugged), over Deadly Grace potion.

[Valks 2,373]

2 hours ago, Guest Kank said:

With the changes to potions, is it better using Deadly Grace or Old War?  Also would one be better than the others on certain fights / situations?

As stated above, Old War was bugged prior to a patch recently. We had DG listed for every melee until then. This guide is yet to be updated due to Tegu's raiding schedule.

[Guest Octopicake]

Any recommendations on what Legion dungeon / raid trinkets are best for Unholy DK?

[Valks 2,373]

8 hours ago, Guest Octopicake said:

Any recommendations on what Legion dungeon / raid trinkets are best for Unholy DK?

We'll look to get this updated when Tegu has finished raiding - until then, I'd recommend looking for Chaos Talisman, Hunger of the Pack, Nature's Call from EN.

Tagging @demonardvark to see if he can provide more suggestions.

[demonardvark 556]

1 hour ago, Blainie said:

We'll look to get this updated when Tegu has finished raiding - until then, I'd recommend looking for Chaos Talisman, Hunger of the Pack, Nature's Call from EN.

Tagging @demonardvark to see if he can provide more suggestions.

this forum has a general guideline for all trinket though the dungeons, however, raid I do not have that list yet, 

 

[Valks 2,373]

Just now, demonardvark said:

this forum has a general guideline for all trinket though the dungeons, however, raid I do not have that list yet,

Nice one, thanks! Tagging the guest for visibility.

9 hours ago, Guest Octopicake said:

Any recommendations on what Legion dungeon / raid trinkets are best for Unholy DK?

 

[Kankersore 0]

Trinkets are going to vary depending on ilvl.  As a general rule the posted stat weights are for the standard version of the trinket.  Warforged-Titanforged procs will increase the value above their baseline on the chart.

[Valks 2,373]

2 minutes ago, Kankersore said:

Trinkets are going to vary depending on ilvl.  As a general rule the posted stat weights are for the standard version of the trinket.  Warforged-Titanforged procs will increase the value above their baseline on the chart.

Of course, but once you reach that point of comparison, you simply have to sim it yourself.

[Elondrae 0]

so i am really confused on unholy vs frost. On one hand I have people generally say frost not good enough, while others say its a hidden gem with the right build. I apologize if this isnt the place to ask, but is there really a dominant dmg spec for dks? I only ask because i want to start one up, but i dont know what i should pick as my spec. ty in advance.

[Valks 2,373]

12 hours ago, Elondrae said:

so i am really confused on unholy vs frost. On one hand I have people generally say frost not good enough, while others say its a hidden gem with the right build. I apologize if this isnt the place to ask, but is there really a dominant dmg spec for dks? I only ask because i want to start one up, but i dont know what i should pick as my spec. ty in advance.

People were hoping that the Machine Gun build would skyrocket Frost's DPS. It got better, but I believe even after the changes in the latest patch, it looks like UH will still do better. This is, of course, subject to change the logs might prove us wrong. We'll see how people perform in the next few days.

[Drikai 0]

I was wondering if there is a soft cap for Crit for unholy and if so if anyone knows what it is.