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Legendary Dragon Tempo Warrior Standard

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hi guys! As a late winning condition what other dragon can we use instead of Death? Maybe Alex?

Alex might be helpful with healing too. It might do some good synergy with crushers as well... What do you think of that? 

 

Fan of your decks as always!

 

Ty     

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2 hours ago, Guest redmeatkills said:

hi guys! As a late winning condition what other dragon can we use instead of Death? Maybe Alex?

Alex might be helpful with healing too. It might do some good synergy with crushers as well... What do you think of that? 

 

Fan of your decks as always!

 

Ty     

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Onyxia is definitely a nice late game inclusion, provides a nice board presense.

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I like Deathwing the most here for his unique effect that can really turn the tides in your favor. He is more of that "trump" card that you beat people with.

Onyxia does "just" a bunch of board, which is still fine but not as great as her dad. However, if you find yourself with slower draws where you get to have some cards in you hand, discarding a bunch of stuff really hurts. I don't exactly get a lot of these cases, but if you do, Onyxia is certainly better.

And yeah, stuff like Chromagus, Ysera and Nefarian is just too slow/not good enough. Same goes for Alexstraza - your plan was to get them pretty low anyways, she's only functional in gameplans where you can have a normal draw and still have your opponent at high life total approaching late game, which is definitely not the case for Dragon Warrior.

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One more thing about Alexstrasza - by turn 9, you will often have more than 15 health, while your opponent has less than that. This prevents you from playing her without doing damage to you or healing your opponent. This makes her a very bad choice.

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Won a championship a couple of days ago, had put dozens of people in top 100 over the past 3 months. This deck is The Tier 1.

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Deathwing or Onyxia as top-end alternatives ; if you have access to neither, Bash is a suitable budget replacement. Its overall combat utility is good and it enables Grommash Hellscream, which I've found to be problematic to activate more often than not.

That said, Ragnaros is really good here and you should probably pick it up. The deck suffers sometimes when you are not able to pressure through midgame enough and all your finisher cards just meet their removal buddies. That's why the deck moved towards The Curator and slotting in a 3rd big legendary like Onyxia or Deathwing. Drakonid Crusher is great, no doubts, but it's only better than Boulderfist Ogre when your early game was good which is not always happening, as I mentioned.

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Rather than Bash I recommend Slam as it can give you card draw, which is more important than armor. That's why Slam is used in the previous version. You could also play second copy of Frothing Berserker to improve your early game and sometimes allow you to get a 10 damage swing.

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My bad. I meant Slam, of course. I always confuse these two, because they do similar thing and the words themselves are similar.

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After slamming a ton of games this season, I want to share some thoughts and feedback on the deck.

For those of you who are wondering whether Deathwing belongs here, I said it was good, but now I have anecdotal evidence to support it, and oh boy he is hella good.

It's just such an awesome card in any aspect, from being a super cool strategic tool to being a super big and stupid beater to being (surprisingly) an actual Dragon. The board clear allows you to outmuscle a lot of situations, most importantly - Shaman late-game, featuring things like Thunder Bluff Valiant and his Team Totem or the likes. I won, like, ten or so games just today where peeling no other card could save me. Surprise factor is real and nobody really plays around him.

Yes, he is vulnerable to premier removal, but, as stupid as it sounds, a textbook "bait out their cards and then slam dunk" is a functional gameplan when you have actual other targets : big creatures and other Legendaries. And that all-in feel is something. Puts "poker" back into "WizardPoker", y'know. It's really hard to play right, takes more of a gut feel than calculation, sometimes they have it anyways, but sometimes they don't and 12/12 seals the deal. Just don't forget he still can die to 12 damage.

I'd say some more things about decks' issues I'm feeling, but this post is pretty long already. I'll be back when I actually accomplish something.

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From what I've experienced, players tend to keep their Sylvanas Windrunner until turn 9 when I play dragon warrior. I recommend to play a few games of dragon warrior without Deathwing to see when players drop their Sylvanas Windrunner around your rank. If they drop it on 6 or around that turn, feel free to run Deathwing (if you wish to do so). If they save her for turn 9/10, you should reconsider running Deathwing.

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Yeah, Sylvanas is a problematic card, not just for Deathwing, but for Dragon Warrior in general, so I'm not exactly sure if it makes that of a huge difference. I agree on concern but not on the impact. You can bait her out and outmuscle or directly remove, although getting out of it dry and clean would be problematic. If you can't beat it, just ignore it and one day it will go away.

She is also not a very popular card, basically only N'zoth Paladin and Control Warrior run her consistently, with occasional spice of rogue RenoLock, rogue Rogue decks, rogue Priest decks and rogue Druid decks (notable popularity among Rogues). These matchups aren't that common overall and for me specifically, I saw, like, only 3 or 4 Sylvanas in the past two weeks, but if your micrometa is this insane, keep her in mind. Also consider swapping the deck altogether.

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15 hours ago, Paracel said:

keep her in mind

This is probably just the best way to deal with it. Always keep the prospect of the possibility of a Sylvanas as a threat in your head and you'll be fine.

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Great deck, replaced Rag with gorehowl as finnisher, -1x blood to ichor  +1x inner rage for turn 8 gromm activator and -1 ravaging ghoul +1 brawl for better board clear against token shaman etc.

Lok'tar ogar !

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14 hours ago, Guest CzarnyAfgan said:

Great deck, replaced Rag with gorehowl as finnisher, -1x blood to ichor  +1x inner rage for turn 8 gromm activator and -1 ravaging ghoul +1 brawl for better board clear against token shaman etc.

Lok'tar ogar !

Those are definetly bad choices. Ragnaros is at the forefront for aggresive top-end legendaries at the moment, and deck generally seeks to deploy good creatures and sometimes struggles to do so, while Gorehowl is a removal spell that buys you time. Time to draw into bad cards, naturally. You have a very little use to that.

Inner Rage has been played in some numbers, but deck's emphasis on single-card value is a big thing, considering you have a very little amount of card draw. It's a dead draw, has a very nice application and works pretty bad without Azure Drake. Blood to Ichor does absolutely the same thing, but it is more reliable alone and is actually good against Tunnel Trogg.

Brawl is counterproductive as well. You bring it against one deck and it actually kills your own board and does not even impact the matchup significantly. If you want to beat Shaman, you have to do it starting at turn 1, and then maybe hold tight on your Book Wyrms. It's not guaranteed anyways, but without dilluting your deck to some wacky deck choices, you will benefit in the long run.

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Great deck, came here to thank you guys. Considering the meta on ladder overall it's one of the best things out there. You can win versus all decks with a good draw and good decisions. Even with execute nerf, it's still very strong deck. I don't have book wyrm so i replaced it with Malkorok and swaped one Fairie Dragon with Deathwing and got to legend 100+.

Even control warrior that is considered a bad matchup is really not that hard with my current set, I just have to put pressure on then with 2 or 3 minions and it's really not that hard cause the deck plays out as a midrange style.

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3 hours ago, Ushallburn said:

Great deck, came here to thank you guys.

Really glad to hear it is performing well for you :) Good luck with future ranking!

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