15 posts in this topic

Hello everyone,

Blizzard stated yesterday that they are now at a point where the Beta mechanics and numbers are fairly stable. They invited everybody to begin their theorycrafting in earnest now that the numbers are stable enough to draw real conclusions from. There is currently a thread open where you can launch any and all number questions (strictly numbers; design feedback is not wanted) can be launched at the Devs. This is an extremely useful thread for theorycrafters and I will be keeping an eye on it (as should anyone vaguely interested in the craft).

What this means is that it's finally the appropriate time to start talking about what will happen to healers in Mists. We can already say with some certainty that several things will happen, but the problem I have is that there is no single place where all of these things are summed up (at least not on these forums). With that in mind, if anyone interested in what's going on in the theorycraft world will post updates about skills/numbers/mana regen/glyphs and talents/stat scaling formulas or anything else, please post a link along with a short summary of the point behind it. I will maintain several sections; one for each healing spec and another for healers in general.

I also propose that the relevant classes create theorycraft threads for their healing spec and discuss the details there.

Some ground rules;

  • No class design posts; numbers and mechanics modelling only please. We don't care about why Telluric Currents "should be nerfed" - we care what it's going to be doing.
  • Opinions are fine but must be backed up by some kind of evidence.
  • Anything construed as a fact must be quoted with a source.
  • No QQ - that's what the official forums are for. This is for information gathering, not complaining.
  • If you disagree with someone, be polite and quote more evidence. If the consensus seems divided, I will say as much in the relevant section.
  • Make it clear which Class, Spec, and Ability you are posting about. The clearer your post is, the easier it is for me to collate information. Poorly organized posts will just be ignored.
  • When quoting formulae, check your brackets - this is very important, as I will copy your formula character perfect if it's relevant to the section.
  • Have fun! :)
Sections

  • Healers
  • Restoration Shaman
  • Holy Paladins
  • Restoration Druids
  • Priests
  • -> Holy
  • -> Discipline
  • Mistweaver Monks
Let the information commence! :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

(Reserved for General)

Edited by Stoove

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

(Reserved for Shaman)

Edited by Stoove

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

(Reserved for Paladins)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

(Reserved for JUST IN CASE! ^_^ )

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

JUST IN CASE they stealth-add another healing spec Posted Image

I'm still in charge of the Resto Shaman guide on this website, so I'll need to contribute a few things to this topic after I've leveled up my Shaman. Thanks for taking the time to write all this ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

This is great. I'll get into this discussion tomorrow, since I'm managing all the healing guides except Resto Shaman :)

Let's see what we can get!

P.S.: We seem to have a bunch of Priests around here, so let's see some action *cracks whip*

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I've got some of my own blogposts in the works with proposed consequences for Shaman (should be done today) and a proposed tool for evaluating regen balance relative to other stats (which will take a while) - I'll want someone to at least comment on them before I put them in the top though. It may be relevant to discuss the second post here, but the first one I expect can be discussed in a (forthcoming) Resto Shaman MoP theorycraft thread.

ALSO: I have no access to the Beta at all. If anyone can post places we can find numbers for typical heal values, stat values on gear, etc - I'd LOVE to get my hands on those.

Edited by Stoove

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

My first set of sources for information:

1) Manapools change to fixed values in MoP - 300k total. Shaman, Paladins, Druids have a base manapool on 60k and a 400% bonus (totalling 300k) (source, thanks to Matticus) (secondsource, thanks to Derevka)

Also from these sources:

2) Intellect only scales Spellpower and Critical Strike, Spirit is now the only passive regen stat. It scales linearly as;

Combat Regen = Total Mana *0.02 +(1.1287*SPI*Meditation%)

3) For Meditation = 50% and at level 90, this simplifies to;

Combat Regen = 6000 + 0.56435*Spirit

We need to know about exceptions to the Meditation=50% rule.

4) Almost allMana regen cooldowns are now based on a fixed % of the manapool - this means that they do not increase with gear. One exception to this is Mana Tide Totem - any other exceptions we want to know about.

Edited by Stoove

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Never really been into the theory crafting side of it all but I'll do my best to help out from a holy priest point of view!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Never really been into the theory crafting side of it all but I'll do my best to help out from a holy priest point of view!

Sources for spell numbers, sources of other people theorycrafting (with specific points), and anything else you can help out with is appreciated. You don't necessarily have to be directly involved in the theory itself - we want sources and summaries here so we can make a compilation of the relevant things we will see in MoP.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

  • Similar Content

    • By Psyh
      Up until Legion, I've primary spent my time in game in Areans or BGs, however the concept of Mythic+ really intrigues me. I'm stuck trying though trying to decide which class I want to main spec before Legion comes out. 
      The reason why it's a concern now, is because I don't want to start dumping my artifact power into one weapon, only to, down the road, regret my decision and switch. To my knowledge there's no way to "refund" artifact power at this time - please stop my now if there is. 
      Furthermore, I want to chose a spec that's going to be both viable in PVP (3's mostly) and Mythic+ dungeons (I know, I'm asking for a lot here). I already know Shadow is going to be a strong contender in 3's and I'm fairly certain Disc will be as well (I think, I hope). What I don't know, is where do they both stand in Mythic+. 
      I've stayed away from Legion Dungeons on the beta to avoid spoilers, but on live, they seem to struggle with AoE healing (at least compared to other healers). Has anyone played either spec on the beta, in Mythic+ and would care to share their experience? 
      I'm sure it'll come up, so let me get it out of the way --- I have no interest in playing Holy. Yes, I know they're an amazing healer. They spec as a whole does not appeal to me, the whole "holy light" thing. I like Disc and Shadow, because of the lore surrounding them and it's what kept me playing a priest for 8 years now. 
      Thanks in advance for the feedback!
    • By molodirazz
      [H] <Asylum> 13/13M before pre-patch recruiting dps and healers for Legion progression.
      All applications will be reviewed and considered however if you are playing a class/spec combination we need then your chances of joining will be higher.
      A little bit of info about us:
      We are a group of friends and serious raiders on EU Twisting Nether looking to recruit skilled like-minded players into our roster to progress through mythic. We will offer a sociable and fun raiding environment while maintaining a strong desire for progression. Our Discord is very active and we encourage all members to chat and play together not only for raids.
      We currently raid Wednesday, Sunday and Tuesday 19:00-22:00 server time. We run social/alt raids during off days in which all ranks of the guild are welcome to come to. Our members also play other games outside raid times together where anyone is also welcome to join(LoL, Dota, HotS, Overwatch etc.).
      Our loot system for Mythic is RC Loot Council.
      What we expect from you:
      - We are a raiding guild with a 3 days a week schedule that you are expected to attend. However we understand things can come up but please let us know.
      - Be able to speak and understand the English language and not be afraid to communicate with other members during raids.
      - Have a strong understanding of the current raid tier and be able to play your class to it's potential.
      - Always come prepared to raids  (i.e. bringing food and potions, etc).
      - Come fully gemmed and enchanted with the correct stats for your class and spec.
      - Access to Discord and a working microphone.
      - Have a computer that can handle 20 man raiding.
      - Exorsus Raid Tools and RC Loot Council addons installed. We may ask you to install others.
      - requirements for joining our raids in current content
      - Have the legendary ring quest complete.
      - Have an item level of at least 730(We may make exceptions).
      ________________________________________________________________________
      You will receive a response within 3 days. The trial process will last 2 weeks, sometimes longer depending on the circumstances. During the trial period you will not have loot priority over raiders however you may of course still roll.
      If you have any further questions please contact us at battletags: vims#21684, Mizrie#2871 or go to our website: http://asylum-tn.enjin.com/
      As stated before every application is considered however the ones listed below have a higher chance of getting accepted.
      We're especially looking for a healer at the moment.
      Paladin: Holy.
      Rogue: One.
      and possibly a Mage.
    • By HeartsUnited
      So I'm coming up to Max level on my Restoration Druid And I'm Using an Addon called "Clique", I would like to know what abilities i should add to buttons and suggestions into what addons. I use clique on my Restoration Shaman and i use:
      "Right Click"
      "Shift + RightClick"
      "MouseWheelUP"
      "MouseWheelDown"
      Something that follows the same kind of format would be nice! I do have Mouse 4 + 5 on my mouse however they are below my scroll wheel which makes it hard to quickly press them however if in need of extra buttons it will do! (I'm using Razer Naga.)
      Thanks ALOT! 

    • By AhhhSiD
      Just looking to get peoples opinions and/or hints to how the Mistweaver Monk has developed into Legion?
    • By Plebster
      <Criminum Gaming> is a newly founded Alliance guild on The Maelstrom, recruiting to establish a raid team for Legion. The founders are all returning players who have played the game for a pretty long time, most of us since vanilla. We're currently in need of pretty much everything.

      Our goal is to obtain and maintain a steady progression through Normal and Heroic mode to advance into Mythic mode. 

      We want players who are serious about raiding, players who know what they're doing and why, players who communicate and who understand what it takes to create and be part of a healthy raiding environment, with progression in mind, and communicate with their team rather than log on for raids, then log off again.

      We will raid Tue, Thu & Sun @ 19:30-23:30 server time (CEST - Amsterdam, Berlin, Paris, Stockholm). If you want more info about the guild, feel free to add me through my BattleTag Plebster#21739. Applications can be submitted at http://criminumwow.shivtr.com/.

      The guild branches out from an (also) newly founded gaming community, with the same name. Our community's social hub is completely based on our Discord server. Most of our members play a variety of games, so if you're looking to find people to maybe raid AND play other games with, why not be a part of the initial foundation for our community? We know you want to!