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I've just finished normal with my main 890ilvl (54 points) prot tank and also with my 876ilvl (36 points) druid tank.
My conclusion is the following:
The protection warrior is taking way to high damage from almost all abilities except auto-attacks which are low anyway.
Shield block doesn't work against any of the abilities in nighthold and doesn't help with any magical skills.
Basically our block even with 2 set items, having aprox 65% crit block chance is useless in Nighthold.
The fact that our main reduction ability except our 8k-ish armor is useless for all Nighthold bosses. Demo, LS, SW, SR are ok for stack abilities or strong abilities but they couldn't be frequent enough. The damage taken spikes are crazy...just crazy and I've kept IP 40-60% of the damage and decent 90% + bracket dps.
Paladin tank and warrior tank used to be very similar in damage taken ( normal damage taken ), now paladin is taking 100 millions and warrior is taking 200-400 million on same boss. This is because their damage is percent damage reduction and that works for magical also, but our shield block is irrelevant. Also paladins block spells now.
In regard to my 876ilvl druid, I've done Guldan solo tanking without any stress. I've done rest of bosses without a problem, only keeping 1-2 stack of ironfur up and using rest of my rage for the 30% reduction every 10 sec, and I won't even start with the amount of cds druids have. These runs showed me how warrior is 0 compared to paladin,druid and DK.
I would place warrior on last place under DK, as Shield Block is an irreleant ability in this raid. You can check logs and compare raids from EN and Nighthold. It seems that to be so-so with a warrior tank you would have to maximize versatility and ignore every other stat :|, maybe then you will start reducing some damage from this raid.
I believe that even the first version of warrior tank from start of EN couldn't handle Nighthold as good as paladin,druid can now. They were just op at low level for being able to handle high mythic dungeons at low gear for stacking IP 2 million absorb, but they scaled bad compared to others and that IP would drop in 2 hits on Mythic EN content, making it so-so anywany.
Post below if any ideas pop to mind related to the above problem. Thanks !
Union is an Alliance guild on Uldum (PVE server) - I will keep this short. We are looking to add two ranged dps to our core mythic team. We would prefer a hunter/shadow priest/boomkin. We are currently 9/10 Heroic in Nighthold after 2 nights of heroic raiding. We were 7/7M in EN and 2/3M in ToV. We raid:
Tuesday - 8-11 EST
Thursday - 8-11 EST
Sunday 7-11 EST
We recruit players that have a good attitude, have high dps and are good with mechanics and movement.
If interested, add me on btag: Stormcaster#1629
The Shroud is searching for fresh blood to our ranks, we raid two days a week from 19:30 to 22:00, we are missing out on healers and ranged dps. We are casual and friendly. Very active to do M+ and other stuff. Currently progress: EN 7/7HC ToV 2/3 HC NH 5/10 Norm.
You are welcome to contact us ingame for a chat, you can /w either: Dhozer, Flycksenpei, Thamysticdh , Samexi, Houdini Maelae or Huilen
We search for ppl with all traits open on their artifact weps, plus Ilvl 870+ and if possible a viable off spec for either, healing, dps or tanking.
Server transfer maybe required for you to join us
We look forward to talk with you and see you in game
After losing some players to attrition following EN/ToV, we are currently seeking a few players to complete our mythic raiding team for Nighthold, with an emphasis on Healers and ranged DPS. In the meantime we will be gearing off regular heroic NH clears.
Who are Origin?
Origin are a long standing community of friends, formed with the goal of completing the hardest PvE content in World of Warcraft.
The community within Origin consists of friends made in real life, as well as through our adventures over the past 10 + years of WoW. Our core officer team have been raiding since the early days of WoW and have experience in some of the hardest content throughout the different expansions but sometimes in different guilds. One of the goals of Origin was to bring people together after playing in different raiding teams over the last few years and use our knowledge and experience to build the best guild and raiding environment we can.
Our roster contains experienced, driven and dedicated players with a strong focus on team work, and we expect anyone joining us for Mythic Raiding to share these qualities.
We are a 2 day Mythic raiding guild as we value a good raid life balance. We do however, regularly run Mythic + Dungeons, Alt raids and have social fun on Discord. We have excellent results considering our light schedule, clearing 7/7 EN mythic by the end of November, and finishing Odyn post-Christmas in half a night.
What Origin will offer you!
• A guild where raiders aim to defeat all Legion (and beyond) content on the hardest difficulty
• A stable, team centric raiding team
• A guild that treats members with respect that welcomes thoughts, ideas, strategies and constructive criticism
• A meritocracy in which contributions are recognized and rewarded (no favoritism)
• A guild that fosters and encourages player growth and improvement
• A strong community inside and outside of the game
What do we need from you?
A desire to:
• complete all Legion (and beyond) content on the hardest difficulty
• to be part of a team long term and progress on not only bosses, but as a guild and community
• gain thorough knowledge about your chosen role and class
• perform your chosen role and class to a very high standard
• to evaluate your performance and improve and a willingness to accept constructive criticism
• to excel during each boss encounter, showing good situational awareness and a strong learning curve
• ATTENDANCE! We maintain a relatively small raiding roster due to only raiding 2 days per week. This means you should be sure you are able to commit to our raid schedule.
With the start of Nighthold, we would also require all trials to have at least 35 traits in their main artifact weapon, and preferably 40+.
Our Raiding Hours
There will never be pressure to raid additional days or stay for additional raid hours!
Wednesday: 20:00 – 00:00 (Server)
Sunday: 20:00 – 00:00 (Server)
Our guild uses an application process. Applicants are required to complete our application form and submit it to the guild website. Your trial period will last approximately 4 weeks and applicants should maintain very high attendance during this period. We’ll have a small chat on Discord if we like your application and make sure you’re welcomed to the guild and get the information you need! As well as an opportunity for us to get to know you a little.
Upon completing your trial period, if you fail your trial you will be offered the opportunity to stay as a social (if your personality fits within the guild) or you must unfortunately leave/be kicked. A player who passes will then be promoted to Raider. While on trial, you will receive loot when raiders do not require it.
You can apply at our website: http://www.origin-draenor.eu
Alternatively, for an informal chat, please contact Biscuinator#2177
Thanks for reading, look forward to hearing from you.
See you in game!
About Us: <Over Raided> is a semi-hardcore raiding guild on US-Stormrage that was officially created in Mists of Pandaria. Our goal has always been to find the fine line between hardcore raiding and still having fun and enjoying each other’s company. We take our raids seriously and do not waste time, but that doesn’t stop us from joking around with one another during raid. We have a very friendly (note: we are not exactly family-friendly) atmosphere that has kept people around. One thing we are proud of as a guild is that we have a very low turnover rate and many loyal members who have stuck with us from the beginning. We are currently looking for people with similar goals who can attend raids consistently and who can meet the expectations required of mythic raiders.
Meet the attendance requirement Know your class - this means being able to play more than one spec at a mythic level Be able to communicate reliably and consistently when needed Have a stable internet connection Be willing to check forums once every few days Be prepared with raiding supplies - the guild bank supplies these but isn't meant to be relied upon Actually WANT to raid. If you're not having fun, don't bring other people down and just take a break Progression: 13/13M HFC, 7/7M EN, 1/3M TOV, 5/10H Nighthold
Raid Schedule – Eastern Time (EST)
Attendance Policy: Raiders must maintain 90% attendance at all times. Consistency in the raid roster is one of most important things in a mythic raiding guild. If you cannot commit to this attendance requirement, we are not the guild for you.
How to apply: Go to our website at http://over-raided.enjin.com and review our guild policies on the top menu. After that, simply submit a private application form, which can also be found at the top menu.
Loot System: We use the EPGP Lootmaster addon to distribute loot.
Currently recruiting: Mage Warlock Elemental Shaman Enhance Shaman Holy Paladin Mistweaver Monk Shadow Priest If your class isn't listed here but you're still interested, feel free to apply, or contact one of us. Contact Information: GM: Adorele (Squee#1987) Raid Leader: Rukoshi (Rukoshi#1218) Officer: Unsafe (Jish#1863)