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a few questions. Usually I begin like this: (spell_shadow_possession.jpgPremeditation)ability_rogue_garrote.jpgGarroteability_rogue_slicedice.jpgSlice and DiceAmbushspell_shadow_lifedrain.jpgHemorrhageability_rogue_rupture.jpgRupture with 5CP thx toability_rogue_honoramongstthieves.jpgHonor Among Thieves and so on. In the guide



  1. Cast wow_icon_ability_rogue_garrote.jpg Garrote.
  2. Cast wow_icon_ability_rogue_ambush.jpg Ambush as many times as possible (usually twice).
    • It should be possible thanks to Energetic Recovery and wow_icon_rogue_subterfuge.jpg Subterfuge.
    • Extra Combo Points will be stored, thanks to wow_icon_ability_rogue_slaughterfromthes Anticipation.

I'll try it next time in raid. But I cannot cast twice Ambush on the doll, with or without Energetic Recovery. How is my opening anyway? Should I cast Slice and Dice later?





do not refresh wow_icon_ability_rogue_rupture.jpg Rupture until wow_icon_ability_rogue_garrote.jpg Garrote fades

Why is it so? I thought wow_icon_ability_rogue_rupture.jpg Rupture > wow_icon_ability_rogue_eviscerate.jpg Eviscerate, independent of Sanguinary Vein)


And the CDs. From another guide ( it's german) the priority is ability_vanish.jpgVanishability_rogue_preparation.jpgPreparationability_rogue_shadowdance.jpgShadow Danceinv_knife_1h_grimbatolraid_d_03.jpgShadow Blades. But in the guide here 



Finally, one last trick can be used when wow_icon_ability_vanish.jpg Vanish and wow_icon_ability_rogue_shadowdance.jpg Shadow Dance come off cooldown at the same time. Use wow_icon_ability_rogue_shadowdance.jpg Shadow Dance first.

Vanish has a longer Cooldown, so I thought it's better to cast Vanish first. Is it better to cast Shadow Dance first? And why? And when to cast Shadow Blades (at the beginning)? With T15 4P Bonus, I cast Shadow Blades with Vanish and inv_glyph_majorrogue.jpgGlyph of Vanish or with Shadow Dance. Now I don't have T15 4P Bonus. The guide from the german forum suggests to cast Shadow Blades after Vanish/Perperation+Vanish/Shadow Dance, that's about 45 seconds after beginning. Is it really good to wait so long?

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Why is it so? I thought wow_icon_ability_rogue_rupture.jpg Rupture > wow_icon_ability_rogue_eviscerate.jpg Eviscerate, independent of Sanguinary Vein

I figured it out.



You should always time your wow_icon_ability_rogue_shadowdance.jpg Shadow Dance and wow_icon_ability_vanish.jpg Vanish cooldowns in such a way that you do not have to refresh wow_icon_ability_rogue_slicedice.jpg Slice and Dice or wow_icon_ability_rogue_rupture.jpg Rupture (which does not benefit from wow_icon_ability_rogue_findweakness.jpg Find Weakness) while these cooldowns are active.

Now I have another questen respectively idea. With spell_holy_sealofsacrifice.jpgGlyph of Hemorrhaging Veins we don't have to refresh Rupture and cast more strong Eviscerate during Find Weakness, which means that the Glyph of Hemorrhaging Veins is also a dps-gain on single target situations. Is it right?



Vanish has a longer Cooldown, so I thought it's better to cast Vanish first.


Hmm it may be an error in reasoning on my part...

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