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Destro lock, simcraft and strange scale factors.

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Hello,

 

I've been trying out SimCraft and I get very strange results. I'm guessing I'm doing something wrong.

 

I get the following scale factors:

Billain Int=6.37(0.14) SP=4.91(0.14) Hit=5.23(0.15) Crit=3.24(0.14) Haste=3.64(0.14) Mastery=3.14(0.14)

 

And the ranking goes:

Int > Hit > SP > Haste > Crit ~= Mastery

 

I find this to be strange since I've heard mastery is the best stat.

 

Here's my character:

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/outland/Billain/advanced

 

And here's the Simcraft log:


DPS Ranking:
 199766 100.0%  Raid
 199766  100.0%  Billain

HPS Ranking:
      0 100.0%  Raid

Player: Billain worgen warlock destruction 90
  DPS: 199766.0  DPS-Error=99.0/0.0%  DPS-Range=18228/9.1%  DPS-Convergence=62.8%
  HPS: 0.0 HPS-Error=0.0/0.0%
  DPR=6.7  RPS-Out=25987.9 RPS-In=25860.8  Resource=(mana) Waiting=0.1 ApM=42.6
  Origin: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/outland/Billain/advanced
  Talents: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/tool/talent-calculator#Vb!120101
  Core Stats:    strength=158|150(150)  agility=167|159(159)  stamina=33707|30643(27857)  intellect=24885|22335(21281)  spirit=296|277(277)  mastery=107.25%|2901.00%(12607)  health=618301|575405  mana=300000|300000
  Spell Stats:   power=37747|31765(9440)  hit=15.15%|15.15%(4192)  crit=27.82%|21.81%(6177)  haste=15.59%|9.45%(4017)  speed=15.59%|9.45%(4017)  manareg=25140|23806(0)
  Attack Stats:  power=315|270(-10)  hit=12.33%|12.33%(4192)  crit=19.13%|14.12%(6177)  expertise=2.82%|2.82%(960)  haste=10.08%|9.45%(4017)  speed=21.09%|9.45%(4017)
  Defense Stats: armor=16641|16641(16641) miss=0.00%|0.00%  dodge=0.39%|0.37%(0)  parry=0.00%|0.00%(0)  block=0.00%|0.00%(0) crit=0.00%|0.00%
  Glyphs: healthstone/siphon_life/conflagrate/nightmares/enslave_demon
  Priorities (actions.precombat):
    flask,type=warm_sun/food,type=mogu_fish_stew
    dark_intent,if=!aura.spell_power_multiplier.up
    summon_pet,if=!talent.grimoire_of_sacrifice.enabled|buff.grimoire_of_sacrifice.down
    snapshot_stats/grimoire_of_sacrifice,if=talent.grimoire_of_sacrifice.enabled
    service_pet,if=talent.grimoire_of_service.enabled/jade_serpent_potion
  Priorities:
    curse_of_the_elements,if=debuff.magic_vulnerability.down
    jade_serpent_potion,if=buff.bloodlust.react|target.health.pct<=20
    dark_soul,if=!talent.archimondes_darkness.enabled|(talent.archimondes_darkness.enabled&(charges=2|trinket.proc.intellect.react|trinket.stacking_proc.intellect.react>6|target.health.pct<=10))
    service_pet,if=talent.grimoire_of_service.enabled
    run_action_list,name=aoe,if=active_enemies>3/summon_doomguard
    rain_of_fire,if=!ticking&!in_flight&active_enemies>1
    havoc,target=2,if=active_enemies>1
    shadowburn,if=ember_react&(burning_ember>3.5|mana.pct<=20|buff.dark_soul.up|target.time_to_die<20|buff.havoc.stack>=1|trinket.proc.intellect.react|(trinket.stacking_proc.intellect.react>6&trinket.stacking_proc.intellect.remains>cast_time))
    immolate,cycle_targets=1,if=n_ticks*crit_pct_current>3*dot.immolate.ticks_remain*dot.immolate.crit_pct&miss_react
    conflagrate,if=charges=2&buff.havoc.stack=0
    rain_of_fire,if=!ticking&!in_flight,moving=1
    chaos_bolt,if=ember_react&target.health.pct>20&(buff.backdraft.stack<3|level<86|(active_enemies>1&action.incinerate.cast_time<1))&(burning_ember>(4.5-active_enemies)|buff.dark_soul.remains>cast_time|buff.skull_banner.remains>cast_time|(trinket.proc.intellect.react&trinket.proc.intellect.remains>cast_time)|(trinket.stacking_proc.intellect.react>6&trinket.stacking_proc.intellect.remains>cast_time))
    chaos_bolt,if=ember_react&target.health.pct>20&(buff.havoc.stack=3&buff.havoc.remains>cast_time)
    conflagrate/incinerate/fel_flame,moving=1
  Actions:
    chaos_bolt   Count= 32.2| 10.92sec  DPE=797940|29%  DPET=322815  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=57001  Miss=0.00%  Crit=797936|594683|1473688|100.0%
    conflagrate  Count= 38.8| 11.72sec  DPE=152109| 7%  DPET=146755  DPR=  12.7  pDPS=13106  Miss=0.00%  Hit=106064|96139|152840  Crit=241922|204664|390445|33.9%
    dark_soul    Count=  4.3|121.00sec  DPE=     0| 0%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=    0  Miss=0.00%
    immolate     Count= 27.1| 16.85sec  DPE=419967|13%  DPET=330037  DPR=  11.7  pDPS=25247  Miss=0.00%  Hit=37195|34053|54137  Crit=83680|72493|138298|32.9%  TickCount=185  MissTick=0.0%  Tick=37504|34053|54137  CritTick=84751|72493|138298|34.5%  UpTime=99.1%
    incinerate   Count=204.1|  2.19sec  DPE=148550|34%  DPET=106202  DPR=   3.0  pDPS=67342  Miss=0.00%  Hit=107762|98702|156915  Crit=243475|210121|400857|30.6%
    shadowburn   Count= 10.8|  8.19sec  DPE=480967| 6%  DPET=548797  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=11622  Miss=0.00%  Hit=334223|295627|469982  Crit=734563|629342|1200620|36.7%
    stormlash    Count= 14.0| 23.76sec  DPE= 35867| 1%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS= 1131  Miss=0.00%  Hit=19849|11890|38202  Crit=55654|25312|97592|44.7%
   observer  (DPS=21502.0)
    melee        Count=289.6|  1.55sec  DPE= 24256| 8%  DPET= 15613  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=15604  Miss=0.00%  Hit=18429|16902|26603  Crit=39716|33803|63847|32.2%  Glance=14121|24.0%
    stormlash    Count= 19.5| 16.66sec  DPE=  6752| 0%  DPET=     0  DPR=   0.0  pDPS=  298  Miss=0.00%  Hit=3855|2049|10696  Crit=10030| 4098|25671|46.9%
    tongue_lash  Count= 89.5|  5.11sec  DPE= 28147| 3%  DPET= 27156  DPR= 469.1  pDPS= 5600  Miss=0.00%  Hit=20479|18584|29545  Crit=43827|37169|70908|32.8%
   terrorguard  (DPS=20800.2)
    doom_bolt    Count= 17.0|  3.40sec  DPE= 73412| 1%  DPET= 21592  DPR=2097.5  pDPS=20800  Miss=0.00%  Hit=51172|44015|69974  Crit=112156|88030|139949|36.5%
  Constant Buffs: amplified/attack_power_multiplier/attack_speed/critical_strike/mastery/spell_haste/spell_power_multiplier
  Constant Buffs: stamina/str_agi_int
  Dynamic Buffs:
    backdraft                                 : start=35.4 refresh=  3.4 interval= 12.9 trigger= 11.7 uptime=50%  benefit=44%
    bloodlust                                 : start= 1.0 refresh=  0.0 interval=  0.0 trigger=  0.0 uptime= 9%  benefit=14%
    dark_soul                                 : start= 4.3 refresh=  0.0 interval=121.0 trigger=121.0 uptime=19%  benefit=32%
    destructive_influence                     : start= 2.6 refresh=  0.1 interval=112.4 trigger=108.5 uptime= 6%  benefit=11%
    expanded_mind                             : start= 4.1 refresh=  0.0 interval=124.2 trigger=124.2 uptime=18%
    jade_serpent_potion                       : start= 2.0 refresh=  0.0 interval=359.1 trigger=  0.0 uptime=10%
    jade_spirit                               : start=12.7 refresh=  6.6 interval= 36.3 trigger= 23.4 uptime=42%
    lightweave_embroidery_3                   : start= 7.9 refresh=  0.0 interval= 60.4 trigger= 60.4 uptime=26%
    skull_banner                              : start= 3.0 refresh=  0.0 interval=180.0 trigger=180.0 uptime= 7%  benefit=13%
    stormlash                                 : start= 2.0 refresh=  0.0 interval=300.0 trigger=300.0 uptime= 5%
    volatile_talisman_of_the_shadopan_assault : start= 7.4 refresh=  0.0 interval= 64.2 trigger= 64.2 uptime=16%
    observer-skull_banner                     : start= 3.0 refresh=  0.0 interval=180.0 trigger=180.0 uptime= 7%  benefit=16%
    observer-stormlash                        : start= 2.0 refresh=  0.0 interval=300.0 trigger=300.0 uptime= 5%
  Up-Times:
      6.3% : Mana Cap                      
  Gains:
    412803.5 : shadowburn  (mana)  (overflow=10.1%)
         7.2 : immolate    (burning_ember)
         5.8 : conflagrate (burning_ember)
        29.5 : incinerate  (burning_ember)
    11243003.7 : mp5_regen   (mana)  (overflow=6.6%)
         0.0 : soul_leech  (health)  (overflow=100.0%)
         0.0 : siphon_life (health)  (overflow=100.0%)
    Pet "observer" Gains:
      5272.3 : energy_regen (energy)
    Pet "terrorguard" Gains:
       582.1 : energy_regen (energy)  (overflow=29.0%)
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :  Int=6.37(0.14)  SP=4.91(0.14)  Hit=5.23(0.15)  Crit=3.24(0.14)  Haste=3.64(0.14)  Mastery=3.14(0.14)
    Wowhead : 
    Wowhead (caps merged) : 
  DPS Plot Data ( min=-1000.0 max=1000.0 points=21 )


 *** Targets *** 


Target: Fluffy_Pillow humanoid enemy unknown 93
  DPS: 0.0  DPS-Error=0.0/0.0%  DPS-Range=0/0.0%  DPS-Convergence=0.0%
  HPS: 0.0 HPS-Error=0.0/0.0%

  Core Stats:    strength=0|0(0)  agility=0|0(0)  stamina=0|0(0)  intellect=0|0(0)  spirit=0|0(0)  mastery=0.00%|800.00%(0)  health=0|107664179  mana=0|0
  Spell Stats:   power=0|0(0)  hit=0.00%|0.00%(0)  crit=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=0.00%|0.00%(0)  speed=0.00%|0.00%(0)  manareg=0|0(0)
  Attack Stats:  power=0|0(0)  hit=0.00%|0.00%(0)  crit=5.00%|5.00%(0)  expertise=0.00%|0.00%(0)  haste=0.00%|0.00%(0)  speed=0.00%|0.00%(0)
  Defense Stats: armor=24835|24835(24835) miss=3.00%|3.00%  dodge=3.00%|3.00%(0)  parry=3.00%|3.00%(0)  block=3.00%|3.00%(0) crit=0.00%|0.00%
  Priorities (actions.precombat):
    snapshot_stats
  Priorities:

  Actions:
  Constant Buffs: attack_power_multiplier/attack_speed/bleeding/critical_strike/magic_vulnerability/mastery
  Constant Buffs: physical_vulnerability/ranged_vulnerability/spell_haste/spell_power_multiplier/stamina/str_agi_int
  Constant Buffs: weakened_armor/weakened_blows
  Dynamic Buffs:
    Health Decade (0 - 10)   : start= 1.0 refresh=  0.0 interval=  0.0 trigger=  0.0 uptime=10%
    Health Decade (10 - 20)  : start= 1.0 refresh=  0.0 interval=  0.0 trigger=  0.0 uptime=10%
    Health Decade (20 - 30)  : start= 1.0 refresh=  0.0 interval=  0.0 trigger=  0.0 uptime=11%
    Health Decade (30 - 40)  : start= 1.0 refresh=  0.0 interval=  0.0 trigger=  0.0 uptime=11%
    Health Decade (40 - 50)  : start= 1.0 refresh=  0.0 interval=  0.0 trigger=  0.0 uptime=11%
    Health Decade (50 - 60)  : start= 1.0 refresh=  0.0 interval=  0.0 trigger=  0.0 uptime=11%
    Health Decade (60 - 70)  : start= 1.0 refresh=  0.0 interval=  0.0 trigger=  0.0 uptime=10%
    Health Decade (70 - 80)  : start= 1.0 refresh=  0.0 interval=  0.0 trigger=  0.0 uptime=12%
    Health Decade (80 - 90)  : start= 1.0 refresh=  0.0 interval=  0.0 trigger=  0.0 uptime=10%
    Health Decade (90 - 100) : start= 1.0 refresh=  0.0 interval=  0.0 trigger=  0.0 uptime= 5%
  Scale Factors:
    Weights :
    Wowhead : 
    Wowhead (caps merged) : 
  DPS Plot Data ( min=-1000.0 max=1000.0 points=21 )

Waiting:
     0.1% : Billain

Baseline Performance:
  TotalEvents   = 42389512
  MaxEventQueue = 31
  TargetHealth  = 107664179
  SimSeconds    = 4507126
  CpuSeconds    = 17.972
  WallSeconds   = 17.972
  SpeedUp       = 250786


Scale Factors:
  Billain  Int=6.37(0.14)  SP=4.91(0.14)  Hit=5.23(0.15)  Crit=3.24(0.14)  Haste=3.64(0.14)  Mastery=3.14(0.14)


What am I doing wrong?

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Don't think you are doing anything wrong, I just think that simcraft uses a single target base for its simulations and in that case Haste is not terrible. your haste is sooo low, that it is advising you to get some more. Not a big deal. With affliction as your OS, I would recommend going for the 9778 haste rating (with bindings equipped it will be less). Your call. Just remember, for an overview of SOO as a raid priority of secondaries should be Mastery then Crit>=Haste. Since your haste is so low in comparison to your other secondaries AND you don't have the legendary meta gem, it is advising more haste to balance it out.

Edited by Drafty53

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SimC has been spitting out some really weird stuff lately. Personally, I stopped using it a long time ago because it was so random and almost always flew in the face of what I was seeing in my own logs and the logs of the 20+ other warlocks that I stalk. 

 

The other day it was telling Zag that haste stacked demo was the best DPS out of all the specs and that aff was ~40k behind it. We all know that is 100% bullshit, SimC said it anyways.

 

I have no idea WHY SImC is saying such weird stuff, other than the normal SimC is a perfect condition setting run by a computer that can in no way reflect the human controller nor the real world environment it is in. 

 

Imo, when 99 out of 100 of the top warlocks in the world say/do something as what is "best" for the class/spec, they will be correct. No matter what a program tells you.

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The other day it was telling Zag that haste stacked demo was the best DPS out of all the specs and that aff was ~40k behind it. We all know that is 100% bullshit, SimC said it anyways.

http://sparkuggz.com/fixed-bug-in-simulationcraft-makes-affliction-the-worst-single-target-spec/

http://sparkuggz.com/destruction-haste-vs-crit-meta-gem/

Two related articles from one of the best, if not the best pve warlock in the world right now.

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"Simulationcraft =/= Siege of Orgrimmar, i will kill a kitten soon if people dont understand it’s a single target theory program!!!11 Also it doesn’t “outrank” the other specs"  -Sparkuggz

 

 

 The aff bug makes sense as to why it was saying some odd stuff and then it all changed, but again like I said, Zag says, Spark says, SimC is a single target program that gives data on very limited lab like settings that have almost no reflection on real world situations. 

 

Moreover, I strongly question the program when it says something like Demo being almost perfectly instep with destro. This *could* be right, but I'd need to see some real world evidence of it before giving it much weight. A quick look at WoL shows demo a big leap behind destro and Aff (I'm looking at heroic Malk and heroic Iron Jug as they are the two least gimiky fights). The SimC is being run in what I assume to be BiS T16 gear and the people on WoL likely do not have *perfect* BiS but many of them should be getting damned close, the EU 25man guilds there are a lot of warlocks sitting at BiS or a few items away from it.

 

This seems to be a big gap between SimC and real world, larger than what is commonly seen.

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Ohai locky making more posts about how simc is garbage because he doesn't understand how it functions, what else is fucking new.

 

Scale factors are not stat weights, I'm tired of posting this 900 times on every forum, I'm just going to have zagam sticky a freaking 'This is how simc actually works' thread that I'll write later.

 

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-wlxm6xwqmrvn5n6n/sum/damageDone/?s=8116&e=8415#Hayle

 

Third destro parse, assume the top two are hilarious rng.

 

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-xsy86nxvii2cx31k/sum/damageDone/?s=614&e=903#Rasensa

 

Top demo parse

 

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/slcouqzuv96gldya/sum/damageDone/?s=116&e=440#Asterixx

 

Second affli parse

 

If you want more proof that demo is not only good but op compared to most other classes in the game, I'll show you my tinfoil hat.

Edited by gahhda

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Rasensa has Heroic Bindings.  I'm pretty sure LFR Bindings outperform the rest of the Heroic trinkets for Demonology.  Top parses are heavily RNG influenced.  I'm sure if I dug in, I'd find some outlying uptimes on things.  RNG is too rampant right now to figure out what is best.  There's always going to be a theoretical best with optimal uptimes, but the more RNG involved, the less I can really get behind anything in terms of comparisons.

 

Destruction's RNG = 2set

Affliction's RNG = Nightfall, 4pc

Demonology's RNG = Doom crits, 2pc, 4pc

 

All three take Bindings, so there's a little RNG taken away.  I just can't get behind any singular parse in the grand scheme of how things are performing.

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Ohai locky making more posts about how simc is garbage because he doesn't understand how it functions, what else is fucking new.

 

 

Not sure why you're all mad but okay.

 

SimC is limited. SimC is looked at as being almost biblical by a lot of people, when it isn't. It's a tool, nothing more. 

 

To many times I see people Sim and re-sim and re-re-sim, just to find the "answer" to their problem when it just doesn't work that way.

 

SimC is a just a tool, a tool that most people don't fully understand or are informed about. It should never be seen as perfect or infallible

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Things SimCraft can do:

 

Assess a "perfect" priority list and compute scale factors and reforge plots based on a purely single target situation.

 

Things SimCraft cannot do:

 

Realistically model any known fight.

 

Account for the decision making power of humans that determines the true playstyle, such as snapshotting procs and launching monster Chaos Bolts by using them only under procs.

 

SimCraft can be useful occasionally for comparing things in a single-target fight, so long as you understand how that translates into the actual fights you're doing that will only be somewhat single target with irregular movement for avoiding mechanics, adds spawning occasionally, bosses disappearing for a bit, etc.

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Things SimC can also not do:

 

Predict when Blizz decides hey let's stealth nerf locks.

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Thanks for all the replies and explanations.

 

I understand SimCraft is limited. I was using a SimCraft guide posted by Evrelia, but I think I somewhat misunderstood how to use it properly (or whether to use it at all).

 

I could go for the first haste breakpoint, although I never actually play as affliction, so perhaps it would be wasted stats if it meant I had to reforge out of mastery. I guess I could reforge some crit to haste, as they seem to be even.

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