Haste, sayyyy waaa??? (Resto Shaman)

[Brown 14]

Heals is courageous.

[Krazyito 521]

Heals is courageous.

^ This.

 

Look for the one that says the proc is "makes spells cost free"

[Stoove 347]

Yeah, that's why it's so powerful - because your stuff is free and you get more free spells the more Haste you stack :D

[Krazyito 521]

Yeah, that's why it's so powerful - because your stuff is free and you get more free spells the more Haste you stack

 

That's not true any more since 5.4  Haste doesn't affect the RPPM proc any more.

[Stoove 347]

That's not true any more since 5.4  Haste doesn't affect the RPPM proc any more.

 

This is incorrect. The change was specifically to nerf RPPM trinkets which proc'd Haste (thus leading to a feedback loop of procs -> MOAR PROCS). The healer LMG doesn't proc Haste, and so wasn't a problem. Proc rate still scales with Haste. In fact, the base procs per minute went up over the patch and Haste still affects the rate of procs. I re-checked the table that Damien posted in the Mods section.

 

If that was confusing to anyone;

The meta gem procs more often when you stack Haste, and that has always been true.

[Amygdalla 4]

Awesome! Got my gem, and pretty soon will get my legendary cloak...this is going to be sweet. Already without the gem and with you guys' help in understanding and playing around with askmrrobot, my heals have increased a lot and healing is way better and I am finding, less effortful than before.  At 529 ilvl my heals compare to higher ilvl players...even though i know gear doesnt equal skill, it still feels pretty good ^_^

I am waiting to get my 540 flex / or normal helm to use my legendary meta gem...I kind of dont want to use it with a LFR helm.

[Krazyito 521]

This is incorrect. The change was specifically to nerf RPPM trinkets which proc'd Haste (thus leading to a feedback loop of procs -> MOAR PROCS). The healer LMG doesn't proc Haste, and so wasn't a problem. Proc rate still scales with Haste. In fact, the base procs per minute went up over the patch and Haste still affects the rate of procs. I re-checked the table that Damien posted in the Mods section.

 

If that was confusing to anyone;

The meta gem procs more often when you stack Haste, and that has always been true.

 

I don't know.  I remember reading exactly  what you said, and understand that much, but the Theory crafter I follow on Monk healing had emphasized that it doesn't any more.  It could be that maybe separate classes? I'm unsure.  I have to go ask a few more questions.

[Childs 1]

Don't fret over haste too much. While it is a great stat, your play style will determine how much you want. That being said, you should go for your closest break point. I prefer mastery for my go to stat, because of the composition of my raid groups heals.

 

I heal along side two holy Paladins, a disc and holy Priest, and sometimes a resto Druid. No matter how much haste I have, I'll never compete with the others on fast placed heals. Mastery on the other hand, ensures if the group falls low, my heals are pumped up to an insane amount to compensate. 

 

Try a few different builds and see how it feels for you. 

 

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/zuljin/Macreedy/simple My armory link, if you wanted to get a good place to start with mastery.

Edited November 20, 2013 by Childs

[Krazyito 521]

@Stoove

 

http://iam.yellingontheinternet.com/2013/08/08/healing-theory-part-5-haste/

 

ncidentally, this post is written from a patch 5.4 perspective. Among various other things, haste will have no effect on the RPPM proc rate of the legendary meta (and legendary cloak), greatly simplifying the analysis.

 

 

I pretty much trust Hamlets opinion pretty significantly. 

[Stoove 347]

Don't fret over haste too much. While it is a great stat, your play style will determine how much you want. That being said, you should go for your closest break point. I prefer mastery for my go to stat, because of the composition of my raid groups heals.

 

I heal along side two holy Paladins, a disc and holy Priest, and sometimes a resto Druid. No matter how much haste I have, I'll never compete with the others on fast placed heals. Mastery on the other hand, ensures if the group falls low, my heals are pumped up to an insane amount to compensate. 

 

Try a few different builds and see how it feels for you. 

 

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/zuljin/Macreedy/simple My armory link, if you wanted to get a good place to start with mastery.

 

 

Good advice there, but I should point out that stat distributions differ between 10man and 25man raids (for precisely the reason you outlined!). I agree that in 25s one wants to focus more on Crit/Mastery and less on Haste. However, in 10man you can often find that Haste will take you a long way. Yes, breakpoints are awesome, but once you have the Legendary Meta there's no reason not to take Haste if you like it. Indeed, Haste is rather convincingly the highest raw throughput stat we can take. By the same token, we've had the debate over what value of Mastery one "should have" and come to a conclusive "it depends".

 

In the end this goes back to a debate that Shaman have been having for years (and which has played out several times on this forum) to which there is no 100% correct answer.

 

 

I pretty much trust Hamlets opinion pretty significantly. 

 

Over what Blizzard told us directly? The information I'm looking at came directly to Damien in an email from Blizzard and was also posted on MMO Champion the same day. Directly from the table:

 

| Name | Old PPM | Old Modifier | New PPM | New Modifier |

| Courageous Primal Diamond | 1.40 | Haste | 1.61 | Haste |

So unless something changed (and I'm checking that) I'm pretty happy to say Haste does affect proc rate on the healer Legendary Meta.

 

Update: I found an alternative source, which was updated when the patch went live. The Icy Veins table is out of date and the LMG is not affected by Haste. The breakpoint at 30% is still valid, though.

[Krazyito 521]

The breakpoint at 30% is still valid, though.

 

I want to stress this part.  Sorry I kinda threw the topic off a little, but I just wanted to make sure that the information was accurate.  

 

While the LMG doesn't get affected by haste, this haste breakpoint for shamans is still very useful for all their healing. Don't get me wrong in thinking I was bashing haste.