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The advice for frost dks on this site right now seems very... oversimplified. With so much different gear, with different legendary combinations things can get rather variable, so I had a few thoughts and questions.
Firstly, base 'rotation'. Recommended talents tend to go: Runic Attenuation and Obliteration for single target, or Frostscythe and Glacial advance for the aoe true 'machinegun build'. Single target with obliterate is simple enough, but using machinegun build during periods of single target dps, all they have is a base priority list that seems lacking.
Frost fever up>Glacial Advance>Remorseless Winter>Frostscythe>Frost Strike
And that's really all it says. I've been sticking with the same talents even in single target, and I've been making due with the following:
Frost Fever up
Frost strike to keep Icy Talons from dropping (typically once every 2-3 global cooldowns) or if your RP is almost capped.
Frostscythe with KM proc
Howling blast with Rime proc
Glacial advance and Remorseless Winter when available
Obliterate for rune dump and rime procs
Done properly, and with normal luck on procs (and decent haste), you should be able to keep Icy Talons at near 100% uptime.
Beyond that, the stats it advises amounts to soft crit and haste caps, then Versatility > Mastery. But a spec using lots of RW, GA, and big Frostscythe crits makes me wonder if more mastery wouldn't be better. Especially if you get the legendary bracers (Toravon's whiteout bindings) which give an extra 15% frost damage during PoF.
With the same legendary in mind, is it worth using Frostscythe on single targets during PoF?
And if you have the bracers AND the ring that gives 2x charges of Empower Rune Weapon, how does dps compare for Breath of Sindragosa build? I can imagine amazing burst dps every 2 minutes, but would that make up for the lack of avalache and glacial advance?
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I will begin by saying I am rather new to playing frost in PvE/Raiding and while I don't necessarily feel that I am under performing, I do have the feeling that there is always room for improvement. I would love to hear the input of those experienced with raiding as a frost DK to my gameplay displayed via the logs below.
I will include my armory, logs of a heroic EN raid over two nights, as well as some info on rotation/gear/consumables.
Logs, 2 separate logs - first for the first few bosses in Heroic EN and the second for the final 3 bosses:
I am generally starting with a strong opener including PoF/Countermeasure trinket "Sheathed in Ice" along with prolonged power prepot. The first night I ran Obliteration and the second night I ran GA to try it out. I am attempting to line up cd's with things such as Bloodlust but it is certainly one area I could improve upon.
I am probably frost striking a little more than necessary, I can say that there are times I am hitting FS when icy talons will not be falling off within a second. Sometimes I'm doing it right at the end, sometimes its closer to 2 seconds before IT falls off, if that makes sense. In my own playstyle running GA felt a little more smooth as I could probably use more practice with Obliteration.
In game stats (appear different from armory for some reason):
My ilvl increased over these two nights, starting at 859 and ending at 863 or 864.
As of today I have:
Crit - 26%
Haste - 17%
Mastery - 32%
Vers - 5%
I hope I'm not leaving any pertinent information out, if you have any questions feel free to ask away. I very much welcome the critique of anyone with some to offer. When I raid I tend to get very heavy into doing research and testing things out to maximize the output of my raid spot. Topping meters would be great but I am more just wanting to feel that I am performing as best as I possibly can.
Hello, so I started playing DK at the launch of legion, and have enjoyed it so far. I was initially unholy but then changed to frost recently, and am enjoying both specs except for one thing, namely my performance. So there are three frost DK's in my raid and lately the other two are always towards the top of the meter while I'm towards the bottom. There is no large gear difference (I think they both have a couple ilvls on me, but I have the legendary belt), so I was wondering what I was doing wrong. Upon looking at logs I found they both casted significantly more spells than me on all fronts (FS, obliterate, etc.). I also noticed that I need to keep icy talons up more, but can someone tell me why I'm casting so many fewer spells than them (there is no large haste difference, the armory has us all at 30something% haste, even though one of them (Hungerghost) and I only have 20something, and I'm sure the same applies to the other DK), or if there is some other problem, then what is it and how can I fix it? Thanks.
(will update these links if they're not working (I got an SSL error))
My armory: https://us.battle.net/login/en/?ref=http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/deathwing/Crohost/&app=com-wow&opt
other DK (Hungerghost): https://us.battle.net/login/en/?ref=http://us.battle.net/wow/character/kalecgos/Hungerghost/&app=com-wow&opt
other DK (Selerot): https://us.battle.net/login/en/?ref=http://us.battle.net/wow/character/shattered-halls/Selerot/&app=com-wow&opt
My parsings page/all my logs (if you want to look at more): https://www.warcraftlogs.com/rankings/character/11054914/latest/
ToV Normal Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9JVdT8WK2Dn1f4wy
Mythic EN Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/GLJDKZ27b6P1pMvd
Heroic EN Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wrHQf6Wztx3gcGPa
Heroic ToV Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/mGDLK2PWRN9C1ax8#fight=1 (note, I'm only in the first six pulls (AKA all the wipes) on Odyn)
Videos from ToV (they correspond with pulls 1 and 2 from the logs):