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I'm in the process of leveling myself a DPS warrior. Currently around level 81 and Arms up to 530 ilvl after which I plan to try out Fury.


One issue I'm constantly having is with rage. I'm spending way more than I can possibly generate thanks to behaving spammy while CS and Enrage both are up. More often than I'd like I'm very low on rage due to the Sudden Death procs which leads to high CS uptime, which in turn leads to me spending the majority of my rage. Mostly on Slam since dem lovely big hits.


Is there some subtlety to rage management I'm missing? Should I switch to using more Overpowers instead of Slam-Spam in order to maintain a more comfortable level of rage? I try to not waste any Taste for Blood charges while weaving in as many Slams as I can.


Is rage management easier with Fury since the CS windows are more predictable? Approximately how far behind Arms is Fury until that about 530ilvl?


Also, any other tips and tricks someone would have to offer? I'm really enjoying warrior DPS and I want to know it all! biggrin.png


Thanksies. smile.png

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As a joker question for bonuspoints.


I'm a cheapskate when it comes to enchanting low-ish ilvls with the best enchants. The guide lists Elemntal Force and Windsong both as alternatives for Dancing Steel. There's no mention however, which one is better. My gut tells me Windsong especially if it happens to proc crit a lot, but if it procs, say haste very often woudl the consistency of Elemntal Force outdo Windsong with bad RNG?

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Good morning!


Well, my first question would be - are you usinginv_glyph_majorwarrior.jpgGlyph of Unending Rage? Not necessarily sure if this is actually a viable glyph while leveling but, most definitely, at end game it is highly recommended. (It's been quite some time since I've leveled a warrior lol...)


As far as the "starvation" goes, even at level 81ish, your rotation is pretty much the same. My second guess would that you're probably missing in your attacks which, I believe, would negate the normal rage gain as opposed to you not missing. (Simply due to the stats you lack being below level cap.) For example, if you use ability_warrior_savageblow.jpgMortal Strike and it misses you would not gain the 10 rage from that ability. Annoying, yes, but unfortunately a factor while leveling.


Overall... the leveling process is, obviously, extremely different than the raiding process. Instead of fighting a boss for 10 - 15 minutes you're killing quest mobs for 10 - 15 seconds or, maybe, a dungeon boss for 1 - 5 minutes. If you're questing, then rage is kinda come and go depending on down time in between each "pull". If you're in a dungeon, you're barely getting the time to really open up and maintain your rage pool.


While you're leveling I would recommend using inv_glyph_majorwarrior.jpgGlyph of Bull Rush while making extensive use of charge and put extra priority on ability_warrior_battleshout.jpgBattle Shout (or ability_warrior_rallyingcry.jpgCommanding Shout if you need the health).


I hope this answers your question. If you have any others do not hesitate to ask. biggrin.png Always glad to help.




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As a joker question for bonuspoints.


I'm a cheapskate when it comes to enchanting low-ish ilvls with the best enchants. The guide lists Elemntal Force and Windsong both as alternatives for Dancing Steel. There's no mention however, which one is better. My gut tells me Windsong especially if it happens to proc crit a lot, but if it procs, say haste very often woudl the consistency of Elemntal Force outdo Windsong with bad RNG?


There is no mention of which one is better because, imo, there really isn't one that's better (while leveling). If, for some reason, at level cap you cannot afford or obtain Dancing Steel then, yes, Windsong is your alternative for your Crit gain without question. However... while leveling... either or will work. Gain some scaled Crit or simply do a bit more damage via RNG procs; either or.

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Yeah, the joker question was aimed at when I'm at 90 and gearing up. :D


As for glyphs, I'm currently rocking both Bull Rush and Unending Rage and I'm seriously considering removing the latter until I feel I'm capping my rage since atm the issue is completely opposite to that.


I've done my testing on a lvl60 dummy, so accuracy stats shouldn't really be the issue. I feel its in my ability usage. I always prio Slam above Overpower when I'm both enraged and CS debuff active on target. I probably should restrain myself to what the guide says about not using Slam unless above 40 rage or under Recklessness.

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Ultimately, it's up to you.


Though, at level cap / raiding, you will want to prioritize Slam above Overpower during a Colossus Smash window for the extra damage it provides.

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Yeah, thats the logic I've been leaning to. I just can't get the balance right with rage generation and the CS window damage dealing since the Sudden Death procs are so damn frequent :D   I don't feel like I have the time at any point to actually focus on generating rage.

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Rage is pretty easy to manage for me but iv been playing a war since BC. Make sure to constantly be using your shouts and beserker rage (30 sec cd so can pretty much use this on will instead of waiting for trinkets). I really never switch from batle stance, esp while leveling (def stance for pvp). Use charges as much as possible (ill even heroic leap away and charge back in to gain rage if needed). Dont over use CS. CS doesnt stack so only use if the target doesnt have debuff alrdy on them. You should be using overpower more than slam. With all the procs from TfB you can pretty much spam them if you wanted. Even though slam does high dmg, it uses lots of rage so try using 2 or 3 overpowers to each slam. Use MS on cd (***using overpower actually lowers the cd on MS so overpower is important for both***). Your talent choices also dont use rage (bladestorm, dragon roar, shockwave, bloodbath, storm bolt) Lastly, once you hit 90 gem almost straight down the line for crit. The higher the crit, the more enrage procs you get.

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