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Hi,

So I have recently returned to raiding, and am playing a disc priest for the first time. This is the first time I have raided as a healer, but have tanked and dpsd in quite high end guilds in the past. I am rather competitive, and another disc out healing me tonight has prompted me to make this post.

I don't feel I am doing anything hugely incorrect, but any tips you can give would be very much appreciated.

The logs I am linking is our normal mode clean up raid, and being so, we had our tank healing in terrible gear at some points, had 2 warriors tanking at others and 2 discs healing the whole way through, not to mention boosting a social from the guild. Needless to say, not a great raid set up. As well as this, I don't actually feel preformed to my usual standard, but that's probably an excuse I am making because I got out healed >.>

Anyway, without further ado, here are the logs:

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3PMfDwVaTZgzXvN8#type=summary&source=52

Here is my armoury:

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/outland/Tetonic/advanced

And here is the other disc:

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/outland/Nailin/advanced

Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.

Tetonic

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Edit: Are you really Tetonic and your partner is Nailin or vice versa? I'm confused by this as Tetonic has dealt more damage und healed more or as much in almost every fight, so I don't get why you should complain about that, but anyways:

 

Some things to say at first:

You've done your homework correctly, your partner not quite. Gemming Int and going for the T16-4pc isn't how you want to equip as of now. Meeting the point where your iLvl is near to the 550ish your secondaries outclasses your mainstat by 2:1 - so go for those secondaries.

[You can catch up on the 'latest' secondary discussion in this thread: http://www.icy-veins.com/forums/topic/5389-crit-level/]

 

I like your itemchoice, but you should really aim for the T16-2pc bonus as it is huge. Also you should change your weapon enchant and use Jade Spirit. You don't need to aim for +60 Spirit socket boni [rings], only aim for 120+ Int.

 

Your uptime on ToF seems pretty good, your cloak does help you with that. I really like the dps cloak in those encounters, it's a viable choice!

 

Well regarding that you've gotten outhealed by your healmate, I don't see that for your Garrosh kill. You've 'beaten' him by 20k HPS, although that's stupid to say. I - personally - don't like raiding with another disc in a 10man raid, because you're both giving everyone shields [i.e spirit shell a whirl], but not both 'shells' will be consumed. There's sometimes 'overshielding', same for PW: Shield. It's kind of a game who's gonna hit the button first.

 

But if you are comparing your healing you'll see, that he/she got way more absorbs [thanks to T16-2pc]. You are a disc, so you are a shielding class.

 

So, bottom line, you're doing a good job, your armory seems kind of right - just some minor min/max things - an your spirit level seems fine too, you may drop a ton if you got the siegecrafter trinket und got used to your legendary meta.

 

Hope that this are some helpful thoughts and I'm trying to get a deeper look into the logs! (:

 

Quick edit. Your healing partner used Inner Will, which I would never recommend and Divine Insight, which is kind of weak opposed to ToF as it will have a high uptime at a fight like garrosh [i.e adds, intermission, transition phases] and you aren't really in a need for that extra shield. You could adress this to him, in a constructive way or even send him over, I would love to discuss his decision for that!

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ok first why are you using Xing-Ho, Breath of Yu'lon the dps cape and not the healing one? could be that your dpsing right now or longed out in a dps spec?

but look at the item level your comparing a 561 item level to a 573. after 565 people tend to kick their healing in to over drive. i would question his gemming" why is he stacking Brilliant Primordial Ruby? your running 34% mast. he running 49% mast, that a major part of his healing. but you have more crit then he dose. is his intell is about 6 k more then yours.  i think part of your issues is your crit/ masty is the same.

"I am rather competitive, and another disc out healing me tonight has prompted me to make this post."  im honestly shocked he did.  yes the 6 k intel. + the 15% more mastory helps. long story short i think it just gear. 561<573. it just about gear mostly and dont be so competitive it not worth your time

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ok first why are you using Xing-Ho, Breath of Yu'lon the dps cape and not the healing one? could be that your dpsing right now or longed out in a dps spec?

 

First: spirit is only useful as disc to a certain point which is not hard to reach. So the spirit from the cloak does not make a big difference.

 

Second: the proc from the cloak does not contribute to PW:S, Divine Aegis and Spirit Shell. Atonement is a smart heal so there is hardly any overhealing to distribute for the proc (I saw fights with meters reporting cloak healing as low as 0.8% even with 200k healing/absorb pr. sec.)

 

Third: the 5% extra healing component of the proc is so short and rare that it is only 0.63% ekstra on average. And it is random which is a bad type of proc for any healer.

 

Fourth: there is no crit on it!

 

The dps cloak is - a dps cloak but it has crit on it! And considering the above mentioned points you might as well chose to embrace the extra crit and dps instead. The effect will also trigger Twist of Faith hitting low health mobs.

 

At least it makes good sense to me smile.png

 

Edit: Found out that the RRPM for disc is 0.76 procs pr. minute and adjusted the average.

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[...] and dont be so competitive it not worth your time

 

Of course he should, that's why he is here, to optimize his playstyle!

 

I've had a deeper look into your logs and they look pretty good! You got a high uptime on your PoM, you make efficient use of your SS, your Evangelism uptime is 85+% and your AA is used often aswell.

Some minor point is to consider Spectral Guise as a viable option for Siegecrafter/Paragons, as you can dodge sawblades, aim and - I'm not 100% sure about that, haven't tested it myself - the little bug thingy that taunts you.

 

A small issue: You have taken the PW: Solace as your mana regen talent, but you don't use it quite on cooldown, you miss - in every fight - up to 10 PW: Solace casts, even in straight fights like paragons/siegecrafter. An alternative is to choose mindbender as it provides you with a huge amount of damage and a very good mana regen - glyphed with the minor sha-glyph it's off the GCD so you don't even have to waste a cast for it.

Nevertheless: Most of your healing comes from HF/PW: Solace and Penenace, so you have to cast these two on cooldown! Use Smite/PW: Shield and every other spell as a filler, try to adapt your playstyle around these two spells. But have always an eye on certain boss mechanics or fuckups by your teammates.

You have chosen the right L90 talents for the specific encounters, that's good!

 

Beside that, your problem is not your playstyle. Sure, you can optimize that, but that are minor things. Keep an eye on your gear, try to get yourt BiS items and learn how to react to certain boss encounters, you're on a good way!

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@ Phake, thanks a lot, your comments are very helpful! I didn't realise I was missing that many PW: Solace casts, this is something I will try to rectify, and if not, take mana fiend.

 

It was also very useful for you to point out me missing two piece. This came about as I got the warforged shoulders, and forgot that I had tier shoulders! Been a week and I didn't realise, so thank you again.

 

@ all others. If possible, please try to point out what I can improve, not Nailin, I am well aware that he is gemming and reforging incorrectly. 

 

Again, thanks for the responses, I look forward to trying to implement them into my play!

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We are about to move on to malkarok HC, and I am looking for any tips you can give about this fight.

Thanks in advance.

Tetonic.

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For Malkorok I really like to play Holy, it's just fun and kind of better for the encounter - in my opinion.

 

But for disc: Try to shield everyone, who'll soak a void, give your PS to your more squishy tank during the blood rage phase, void shift isn't good at this encounter. PW: Barrier right on top of your two tanks as they are soaking the bloodrage damage.

 

Keep a close eye on your dd's who'll soak the bubbles during bloodrage, give them as many shields as they need. A defensive penance comes in handy, some flash heal will too [if needed].

 

The rest is quite similar to NHC, Halo on CD, SS before the pull and before blood rage. For the rest: just use atonement on the boss: Penance, HF/PW: Solace on CD and with Smite as a filler.

 

Little advise: try to take mindbender for this encounter. it can be quite mana intensive in the first few seconds so you'll use your mindbender as you activate AA, then it should be up after the first breath, line your second mindbender then up with your hymn and you will be at ~100% mana again.

Also, don't forget to pre-pot an int potion, it will help you get the shields of everyone full asap!

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Great! My thoughts were pretty much along these lines, good to get the affirmed.

I can for see myself having some mana issues on this, as my fellow healers are a paladin and druid.

My thinking for playing disc was that, with a druid in nearly BiS gear, we wont have any trouble HPS wise, and disc brings so useful things to the fight (Ps, barrier, PW:S for orbs and puddles) but if we are having trouble with HPS, I would go holy. What are your thoughts about this thought process?

Again, thank you for your help <3

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Yes, if you are 3-healing this encounter disc is the better spec!

Use your legendary dps cloak and try mindbender, this will provide a huge - and much needed - dps boost!

 

Wish you good luck and tell us how it went!

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We are about to move on to malkarok HC, and I am looking for any tips you can give about this fight.

Thanks in advance.

Tetonic.

 

Grats on the improvement, to possibly get a little more input from the posters; post some HC logs.  I pulled up your account from your OP and there wasn't an updated log posted yet.

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No, we raid Thursday Sunday Monday so tonight is first raid since reset :) Will post logs after raid.

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Sounds great, good luck tonight!

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Right so here are the logs from tonight. I forgot to delete the old one, so it has uploaded some of the fights from last weeks normals... Very annoying. Also forgot to turn it on for Immersus. http://www.warcraftlogs.com/guilds/reportslist/7873/

 

Remember that this is the first time I have done HC sha, galakras or juggernaut, and have only done immersus protectors and nourshen once!

 

Pretty sure i shouldn't have taken halo for jug.

 

Any feedback welcome! 

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Hey, I had a quick look over your logs!

 

I would recommend Power Infusion and Divine Star for Iron Juggernaut HC. Power Infusion is great for Siege Phase and you really have no need for ToF, because the sub 30% phase isn't that hard. The choice for DS is, that you 3-healed it, so you can focus on atonement/shielding and use DS for the stacked siege phase - if you 2-heal you may choose Cascade for the spread assault phase.

 

On a general note: Your PoM uptime is pretty high. If it's over 95% you may refresh it too early. I don't know if you use WeakAuras, but I use this string to keep an eye on my active PoM stacks [http://pastebin.com/RU8Vk5yZ - maybe it is useful for someone.]

You have casted it 26 times and it bounced 69 times out of possible 130 times, this isn't that bad, but could be optimized.

 

Well, some minor points: You missed some PW: Solace, a SS and you had 12 lgm procs, but only 16 PW: Shield on Norushen. Yeah, but that is some pretty cosmetic stuff. Nobody died, so you've done your job correctly! Also you've corrected this for IJ, so it's not a big deal.

 

All in all my posts sound more negative than it should, you've done a great job and gratz on your HC kills!

 

Edit: May I ask why you've taken DS for the protectors? Was it some tactic stuff [that you don't have to bother about calamity, instead got bursty heal for the Rook/Sun phase], because I normally go for Halo at this encounter.

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On the contrary, negative is what I want you to be, couldn't improve if you glossed over what I was doing wrong, even if it is a little thing.

I took DS because the tactic we use requires us to be stacked the majority of the time, and we are stacked for probably at least 80% of calamities, so I thought DS would be better. I think it was the correct choice, but I am an amateur!

I think I will take DS for IJ from now on, halo really didn't seem to work. I also took mindbender as I thought there would be a large downtime on solace in p2, however, I timed it very badly, and it kept coming of CD in p2, which is far from ideal.

I took ToF as I it procs quite often from healing. 58% uptime on ToF is pretty good isn't it? 

Again, thanks for the feedback, it helps me a great deal.

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On the contrary, negative is what I want you to be, couldn't improve if you glossed over what I was doing wrong, even if it is a little thing.

I took DS because the tactic we use requires us to be stacked the majority of the time, and we are stacked for probably at least 80% of calamities, so I thought DS would be better. I think it was the correct choice, but I am an amateur!

I think I will take DS for IJ from now on, halo really didn't seem to work. I also took mindbender as I thought there would be a large downtime on solace in p2, however, I timed it very badly, and it kept coming of CD in p2, which is far from ideal.

I took ToF as I it procs quite often from healing. 58% uptime on ToF is pretty good isn't it? 

Again, thanks for the feedback, it helps me a great deal.

 

I'll chime in maybe some pointers will surface.

 

Protectors:

I also use DS for our strat.  Your AA and ToF uptime were great on that fight.  Only thing that stands out is you used SS only 4x on a 9min fight.  Double up on its use next time.

 

Norushen:

Again AA and ToF uptime are great.  Only cast 14x in 6.5min encounter, missing 10+ opportunities.

 

Galakras:

Uptimes are well above average. DS over Cascade next time. After the boss comes down DS really shines here if you are positioned correctly.  You only used SS 2x in a 10m encounter, like Protectors you have to use this a lot more frequently.  Get a WA tracker for it.

 

Juggs:

ToF is great, AA slipped under 50% on this encounter.  If you use the Stacked Strat, DS shines otherwise I'm really indifferent on L90 choice.  Use what works best for you.  1 SS on a 7min fight, I see a trend here.  You procced ABulwark 2x on this fight, ouch.  Just be more aware and possibly keep a PWS up on yourself at all times.

 

 

You and I have such different playstyles.  Our approach to the encounters are extremely similar (I'd like to think that is a compliment to both of us) ie: gems, L90's, atonement percentage, glyphs, LMG tracking, (i keep ToF for every fight).   The biggest difference to the playstyle revolves around Solace it seems.  I haven't used Solace in all of SoO, I prefer Mindbender.  I use the extra ~100+ GCDs for more PoH on most fights and more DS on the others. Try to work in Void Shift while we still have it!  If you used it at all I missed it.  Desperate Prayer after your Shift, that would mean abandoning ABulwark but that is only useful if you are slacking whereas DPrayer can be used after every VS and other opportunistic times at your discretion instead of just fixing a mistake like ABulwark.

 

The following:

1) Extra more powerful healing GCD usage by not taking Solace

2) Difference in iLVL 563 to 576 

3) You share some fights w/ another Disc

4) Your raid dps is a bit lower, extending your encounter duration

 

results in about a 40-60k hps difference.  You buff times are better than mine so exchanging Solace for some other talent will, imo, increase your hps significantly.  By all means, you do not have to change it, just suggesting based on log comparison.  With  your ToF and AA uptime you will see a nice jump in HPS by doing so as long as you can continue to manage your mana efficiently.  I'd definitely suggest taking Jade Spirit over your current weapon enchant.  Bottom line though, if you don't change Solace (which would probably take some time to acclimate to) you absolutely need to do a better job as using your SS.  Even if you were not a "recently returning to raiding priest" your logs still support that you have not lost "IT." 

 

Great job again!  Get that SS maxxed out and you'll be ecstatic.  IF you decide to take the healing meter blue pill by swapping out Solace and manage your mana I'll have to start trying harder when we compare logs next time around so I can somewhat appear to know what I'm recommending!  If you want to see any of the fight comparisons, the link to my WarcraftLogs is in my signature.  Hope you found something useful here and GL!

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Very helpful indeed! I was actually 561 at the time of these logs, got the helm during the raid >_>

 

I have thought up a few questions.

 

Taking solace; it does take up 100+ globals a fight, but if I was to take mindbender, would these not be taken up using HF?

 

Do you SS on CD? You seem to imply that you do it nearly on CD in your reply. I'm sure I don't know the fights well enough to make this judgement, but it seems to me that there aren't the opportunities in all fights (Sha and Galakras stand out especially) to use it on close to CD and line it up with boss mechanics. 

 

Phake has very kindly informed me after going over my logs that I often overwrite an existing PoM. I absolutely agree that this is something I need to improve on, however, I often see that there are 3 or less charges remaining, PoM is off CD, and the person it is currently on is not likely to take damage any time soon. Is it the wrong decision to overwrite it then?

 

This is probably an unanswerable question as it is way to situational, but if Solace is off CD, but I am in the middle of say stacking an SS, do you take the global to cast Solace?

 

I really appreciate the time you guys are taking to help me, I am starting to feel like I know the disc class at least a little now, of course there is still a large room for improvement. 

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1) Solace is used on CD for good practice and maxxed mana returns.  Using HF on CD is not nearly as integral.  If HF comes of CD while you are going through the motions for dmg prevention, it falls way down the priority list.  It is a nice go between to keep you ToF up.  Where normally you might Solace an add, instead you can hold HF til an add is at 35% then instant HF and be on your way w/ a renewed ToF.

 

2) Using SS is maximized by knowing the encounter and the Boss abilities.  SS is our strongest directly applied tool, where DA is our strongest heal but does not have to be applied specifically.  Using it on CD would still be better than using it less than half the opportunities.  For your examples: 

 

Sha max use comes as soon as prisons are broke out.  Blanket as much as possible before the AoE goes out.  if no one is out of range gathering Rifts AND you are able to target the centrally located person in each group you can negate the AoE dmg completely. 

 

My personal rotation ( for what it's worth ): Prisons are released  AA/PWS/IF/SS>PoH(tank), SS>PoH(central member of g2, me if necessary), rinse repeat for 10sec at that time Unleash AoE cast timer starts >PoM then Cascade (or DS depending on strat).  Cast finishes, AA fades.  Mechanic ignored.

 

Gala:  The first AoE shout happens too quick to stack 5 AA.  So get 2 smites and a HF off, AA (3) IF/SS blanket.  That's my opener.  Your prepot will still be up so if you choose to hold AA, no love lost.  Use it for the AoE waves, Use it for the Serpent biach, use it if you are on Tower 1 duty (tower 2 normally just the tank needs heals).  When the boss drops, use SS and DS on CD for the remainder of the fight.

 

3)  When I did use Solace I never used a SS GCD for it.  I would not recommend it now if you decide to keep it.

 

4) PoM on your tank that will proc it the quickest. When it comes of CD, hit the tank again IF it's is no longer on them or when it leaves them.  I agree w/ Phake no need to reapply it it is on them or has bounced back to them when PoM comes off CD.  If it's still on them, you could find a better initial target for it.

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As for those mystery GCD's....

 

Shadowfiend, with the minor Glyph of Sha, has it's GCD cast time... mostly removed.  It's weird.  I believe that Mindbender is that way whether or not you have it glyphed, but I just don't use it.  PW:Solace, of course, does use a GCD, but so does Holy Fire, so there's no change there.

 

For heroic malkorok, I strongly recommend you use PoH very frequently.  It might be a good idea to go holy for this fight, as you should be using PoH without SS and greater heal often.  If you have lots of spare gold, consider purchasing the healing legendary cloak and equiping it for this fight.

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It looks like you're running angelic bulwark, you really should be using desperate prayer.

 

Pride: Use SS every time the boss uses his 100 energy attack.

 

In general your PoM uptime is low. 

 

You seem to be doing okay otherwise.  Sorry, I don't have a lot of time just now to do an in depth analysis.

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Hi,

 

I have 0 gold so even regemming holy is not an option lol.

 

Here are tonight's logs, any critiques welcome!

 

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/V4vFmxZzBTD7c9Lb/#fight=14&type=healing

 

Fallen:

ToF and AA uptime were great (again).  As Brutal mentioned PoM uptime was 62% and should be higher.  As with last time, you just need to work in SS more often.  5x in a 8min fight where there is constant dmg going out, especially w/ Garrote.  Great job though I think next week, you and Nailin try and two heal this encounter.

 

Noru:

Yada yada ToF AA great heh.  PoM uptime only 43% on a consistent dmg fight, ouch.  Great improvement on SS over last time! 5x in 6min, excellent.  DS was only used 2x per minute, more attention is needed there.  It might be hairy if you have to move for cutters too often but it looks like you and the shaman can give 2 healing this a shot next week.

 

Sha:

Repeat ToF AA, check.  Your PoM uptime shot up to 100% here and it looks like its because you are casting it on yourself instead of initially targeting tanks(2x) or Arrogance targets(7x).  Sadpanda SS only 3x.

 

Gala:

ToF AA thumbs up. PoM uptime at 89% and mostly on the tanks, nice turnaround.  3 of the 4 times it sat an initial target, that target was you.  Nothing wrong w/ here w/ the damage being so erratic. DS less than 2x per minute and SS only 4x.  SS is not a factor here, again because of the damage, I see you had it ready for the last phase.

 

Juggs:

An issue here is one that requires attention across all fight except The Fallen, Rapture.  If you do not have Ingela's Rapture Addon, I really suggest getting before you raid next.  You are handcapping yourself immensely by not tracking your Rapture procs.  This is what I'm seeing on your kills  Fallen missed 2, Noru only procced 9, Sha only procced 5, Juggs only procced 9.  This a whole lot of mana you are leaving on the table during the encounter.  This is definitely your answer if you every drop Solace.  Juggs and Sha were the only fights were you spent most of the fight below half mana and increasing these procs will allow you to be more free w/ your casting.  Even if you are only getting the free PWS out of the Rapture.  There are other threads on this forum about the importance of tracking your Lucidity LMG procs with Weakauras (getting more pws and L90 casts).  At minimum, (and I think you are better than that and your logs support you), using PWS for Rapture on LMG procs will net you positive mana and increase your output on every fight. 

 

As I mentioned before you are doing a great job but above all else, Rapture/LMG tracking needs to be at the top of your list going forward.  Brutal has a sticky thread with the WA in it at the top of the forums if you do not have it already.  The extra and free PWS combined w/ adding to your almost non existent Rapture will push your output through roof and you'll be 2 healing everything when you get it nailed down.  I have faith that w/ the attention you've shown to your uptimes being applied to LMG and Rapture you'll be significantly more dominant from this point on.

 

 

Rhoanbirch, sent you a PM as well.

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As I said in my PM, I really appreciate you taking the time to help me. I was using a weak aura to track rapture, obviously I wasn't watching to well. I have downloaded the addon, I think it will be very helpful. I will work on my PoM and SS.

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      Default custom debuffs will now always be added by spell ID - please consider a complete reset of your custom debuff settings.  This can be done under 'VuhDo Options > Tools > Reset > Buffs/HoTs > Custom Debuffs' but beware you will loose all previous custom debuff settings!
       
      VUHDO CONFIGURATION
      VuhDo is raid frame replacement that is specifically built for high level raid healing. All your healing spells or any other actions can be asserted to mouse clicks or mouseovers on those bars (Click-Heal).
      VuhDo is great for displaying all the raid information you need as a healer - Health Bars, Mana Bars, Debuffs, Range, Incoming Heals, Aggro, HoTs, Absorb Shields, Status Effects, Player Tags (afk, disconnected, dead).
      In addition:
      You can heal, decurse, target, assist or focus raid members with just one click. You can bind any usable item, command or macro to mouse clicks. You can assign up to 40 mouse click combinations to cast on raid members. You can assign any keys to cast when mouse over. You can automatically fire your trinkets and instant casts whenever cooldown is over. You can automatically resurrect players out of combat. You can easily keep track of all of your and raid buffs / debuffs. You can rebuff automatically chosing the most suitable spell and target. You can smart buff your raid automatically selecting missing buffs. Okay, let’s talk about configuration now.
      This is the mess that you get when you first install the addon. Many people just delete the addon straight away when seeing this, ignoring how amazing it is.

       
      STARTING OUT:
      If you are configuring the addon for the first time, it’s better to delete all the default frames that you've got on start:

      Click on addon icon near the minimap. Click on ‘Move!’ Click on every red X you’ll see until the only remained frame would be ‘VuhDo - BuffWatch’. The easiest and fastest way to start is to go to the ‘TOOLS’--> ‘Panel Wizard’ and to tick there the panels you want to have in your VuhDo configuration.
      It would be nice to have ‘Groups’ and ‘Main Tanks’ panels from the beginning.

      Click on ‘Tools’ Click on ‘Panel Wizard’ Tick ‘Groups’ and ‘Main Tanks’ Click ‘Apply’ After clicking ‘Okay’ in the popup menu you will see ‘Groups’ and ‘Main Tanks’ panels appearing. And then we’ll add an additional panel ‘Target’:

      Click on ‘Move!’
       
      MOVE!

      Click on ‘+’ in ‘Add New Panel.’ Click on ‘+’ on the new transparent panel that appears. You’ll now get a new panel as seen in Figure 3 in the above screenshot. Click on ‘Choose.’ Now you’ll get two downdrop menus: ‘Type’ and ‘Value.’ You can choose the ‘Type’ of panel you want - in our case it’s ‘Special’ for Targets (players and NPCs). In the ‘Value’ downdrop menu choose the ‘Target’ Many nice things to play with -  you can add a menu for Pets, Vehicles, Focus, different raid roles, etc..! There is a nice update to Special panels: NPCs panel.
      Very helpful in raids where you have to focus heal or dps specific NPCs units. No more tabbing, clicking or looking around ^^
      To add NPC panel go to Move!->Add new Panel->Type: Special->Value:NPCs

       
      Here's how it looks in the raid:

      You can build Raid frames manually too if you don’t want to use the Panel Wizard: just choose in the ‘Type’ of panel ‘Group’ type. Click the ‘+’ button on the first panel that you created to add an additional 5 man groups to it. Voila, Panel 1 becomes your 10-40 man raid frames (every ‘+’ will add a 5 man group to the frame). You have to use the same Panel for the Raid Groups so they will move together as one object.

      Now check “20” and hold the button “Test”. You will see some virtual raid and even real target, if you’ll click on somebody. It is a very useful feature for checking the results of your frames tuning.

       
      GENERAL

      Go to the ‘General’ tab. Tick ‘Main Tanks’ and ‘5 man MTs’, so VuhDo will automatically move Tanks to the ‘Tank’ panel. *You don’t have to do this or add the ‘Main Tanks’ panel if you don’t want to see the tanks in a separate panel from the raid
      Adjust everything else according to personal taste.
       
      INDICATORS (more nice options for tracking):
      You can play with a loads of possibilities here. I personally use 3 of them - Inner frame for the Paladin Beacons, Special DoT for the Role Icon and Treat Marks to track the current aggro target (very useful if you need to know when the tanks are swapping).
      Clicking on ‘More...’ button near every tracker allows you to change size and color of the icon.

       
      SPELL TRACE 
      Spell trace tracks which units are hit when a particular spell is cast. Very useful for tracking healing from 'smart' like Prayer of Healing, PW: Radiance, Chain Heal, Trail of Light, etc. You can use a build-in Spell Trace bouquet or create your personal one.
      Enable the ability here:

      and choose where to show tracked spells in HoT icons tab:

       
      SPELLS
      Here you can bind you spells, actions or macros to any button of your mouse and keyboard.

      Go to Spells→ Mouse→ Modifier Key → None Open up your spellbook and drag your primary healing spells to the ‘Mouse Key’ Left and Right Buttons and to the ‘Mouse Wheel’ Up and Down sections. Note that the Mouse Wheel section will only work when it’s mouseovering your VuhDo frames. If you scroll outside of the frames, you will zoom in and out of the screen. You can assign more spells / commands / macros to Modifier Key → Shift, Modifier Key → Ctrl and so on. All your mouseover macros will work perfectly with VuhDo frames  
      PANELS
      On the ‘Panels’ tab, make sure that General→ Ordering → Alignment → Horizontal is ticked. It’s much easier to move your mouse in the left-right directions rather than up and down. Chose ‘Grouped’ and ‘Hide Empty’ in Ordering, if you prefer to always see your actual groups in the raid. a) Leave ‘Sort by...’ with ‘Unit ID’ if your choice is to see raid as actual groups.
       
      3b) There is another option for sorting: Tank => MDPS => RDPS => Healer. It's great if you like to always know which part of the raid takes damage. If you choose this option, you have to change the ordering to Loose. It technically works for Grouped ordering too: the difference is that when you are 'Grouped', the sort method is applied for each group, not across all groups.

      Do not forget to press ‘Apply All’ to apply your changes to all the groups (and not just to the current one)
       
      On the ‘Panels’ tab, click on the ‘Sizing’ option on the right hand side. For Bar Height, choose something like 37-40 to make the bars taller. Spacing and gaps as you like.
       
      BARS
      On the ‘Panels’ tab, select the ‘Bars’ option on the right hand side. Decrease the Mana bar height to 3 - you really don’t need it any bigger than this. You can play around with the rest of the options here.

       
      HEADERS
      On the ‘Panels’ tab, click on the ‘Headers’ option on the right hand side. Tick ‘Show’ on Headers if you want to see panels names (Group 1, Group 2, target, etc.). Untick ‘Class Color’ on Header Text if it was ticked by default. TEXT
      On the ‘Panels’ tab, click on the ‘Text’ option on the right hand side. Tick ‘Class Col.’ on Bar Text so you will see player’s nickname in his class color. Hitpoints → Show → Percent. Show Text → Name & Flags (untick ‘class’ and ‘pet owner’ if it was ticked by default. You can play around with the rest of the options (text size, color, position) here.
      HOT ICONS
      On the ‘Panels’ tab, click on the ‘HoT Icons’ option on the right hand side. In the ‘Own HoTs’ section, choose one of 2 masters that shows where your HoTs will appear and use the buttons below to view your HoTs as ‘Icons’ and ‘Text.’ In the ‘HoT Order’ section, you can assign any of your or other players HoTs, Absorbs, Shields, Procs, personal and Raid CDs to any of the 6 spots shown in the ‘Own HoTs’ diagram. You should always leave Slot 7 (the middle slot) for the ‘AoE Advice’ icon. Or not...
      Another nice option here - to change the HoT icons size.
      Click on the button “More” from the right side of HoTs positioning masters and adjust.

       
      BOUQUETS
      You maybe noticed some options in the HoT Order section that are shown on my screenshot but couldn’t be find in your options. They are the Bouquets: custom groups of Buffs / Debuffs / HoTs / CDs that could be created by a player himself.
      Let’s create a custom bouquet for example for tracking of Tank personal CDs in your raid where the tanks are Warrior and Paladin.

      Go to General→ Bouquets. Type a name for a new Bouquet and press ‘New’ Press ‘Add’ button it the Bouquet Details part Type a spell name in the ‘...or enter Buff / Debuff / HoT name’ line In ‘Select default icon’ dropdown menu always chose ‘None / Default’, otherwise you wouldn't see the appropriate icon. Add all the spells you would like to track in your ‘My tanks’ bouquet. There will be situations when you’ll have multiple CDs or HoTs that were popped simultaneously to track. Because all the spell icons from one bouquet are shown in the same place, you should use the Priority Arrows to assign the importance of every one of them (e.g. the highest priority will be shown first).
      Another possibility to work with bouquets is just to edit the defaults.
      For example, we can chose a default ‘Raid Cooldowns’ bouquet and remove, add or change priority of CDs based on our raid composition.

      After creating or editing a bouquet you can use it in the HoT icons assignments.

       
      BUFFS
      As you've may have noticed, VuhDo has a separate Buff frame as part of the package. Personally, I don’t believe there is any need for VuhDo to show your buffs. I use WeakAuras to trace my mandatory buffs (on myself and others) and you should have something similar. So, I advise that you go to the ‘Buffs’ tab → General → Uncheck ‘Enable.’ If you want to play with it later - feel free to do so.
       
      DEBUFFS
      Extremely useful in raids. You can see most of the debuffs by default in your healing frames, but sometimes the addon is not updated yet for a new raid zone or the authors wouldn’t add some debuff that you want to trace. In this section you can add or remove any debuff / buff / proc that is applicable to a player.

      Go to Debuffs→ Custom Type buff / debuff  Spell ID in the line (you can find Spell ID on Wowhead in the address line. For example: “http://www.wowhead.com/spell=642/divine-shield”- Spell ID for the Divine Shield is 642). Now it will appear in the (de)Buff list. Tick the appropriate positions if you want to see stacks or timers for the debuff. Tick 'Bar Color' if you want to see a specific debuff in some different from the default color and pick the color from palette. Click ‘Save’ Do not click ‘Apply all’ or you’ll rewrite the defaults of all the debuffs.
      If you want to remove some buff / debuff / proc from the list, choose it from the dropdown menu and click ‘Delete’.
      There is an option for a complete reset of your custom debuff settings.  This can be done under 'VuhDo Options > Tools > Reset > Buffs/HoTs > Custom Debuffs' but beware you will loose all the debuff settings you customized.
       
      PROFILES
      If you ever wanted to save your VuhDo configuration for more than one toon / spec / raid size / encounter type or to share what you have with other VuhDo users, this is the place for you.
      Saving profiles for different specs / toons:
      Go to VuhDo Options->Tools Tab->Profiles.

      On the left side in 'Profiles' part you will see a line '...or enter profile name' with some name already typed in. Change it to a name that will make you remember what exactly you are saving here. I normally use a toon name with encounter type or a toon name with a group size, but if you are going to store profiles for different specs, it may be a good idea to mention a spec too.
      I stopped on profile naming in such a details because the default name is a bit weird - it's just made of a chain of nicknames for every toon you ever saved this profile for, so after having 2-4 toons in the chain it almost impossible to understand what exactly is stored there.
       
      Type a new name for your profile and press 'Save' Button. Do not confuse 'Save' with 'Apply' or you will cancel all the changes you made.
      After saving a profile, you can choose in the central part of the Tab the activation type: by group size and / or by spec. You will be able to choose it only after profile is saved, so don't be surprised if you are not able to check anything there.
      If you want to make this profile a default for all the new characters on the account, check 'Default Profile' button.
      Loading and deleting a profile:
      If you don't want VuhDo to activate profiles for you automatically or you want to load some specific profile for a new toon, go to the 'Select a profile' dropdown menu, choose whatever you need from there and hit 'Apply'.
      To delete a profile, choose it from the same dropdown menu and hit 'Delete'.
      Settings:
      Two useful buttons: 'Quiet mode' allows you to get rid of Confirmation Dialog spam, 'Lock' prevents an accidental overwriting of a profile.
      Key Layouts:
      An important note: Spell assignments are not saved in Profiles. To save, load or delete Spell and HoTs assignments you should go to Tools->Key Layouts:

      Export and share profiles:
      You can export selected features, share or receive profiles from other VuhDo users.
      To be able to receive a profile you have to go to 'Tools->Share->Receive Data' and tick 'Enable'.
      To share a profile you should click on a button 'Share' in the 'Send Profile' area. A new window will pop up: a dropdown menu with a line where you can type specific player's name and server. The dropdown menu will show your online guildies and people you are in group / raid with (disregarding of them having or not having VuhDo).

       
      Here's an example of my VuhDo profiles:
      I made a UI screenshot with opened talent tree and VuhDo HoT assignments.
      Key Layouts (how I assign spells to mouse): remember they are configured separately from the main setup and you have to import them separately too in Tools->Key Layouts->Import

      In 5-man HoT icons I track only my HoTs because obviously there are no other healers. Threat and personal CDs people may use are being tracked through Indicators (General->Advanced->Indicators). In this bouquet everyone should add his group specifics if you are aiming for Mythic+: I found a bit redundant to keep there damage mitigation abilities for all the classes.
      Regarding the Hot Keys you see on the screen - it may be a bit confusing because I don't really use all of them but:
      1,2,3 - dps abilities
      = - Tranq
      F1 - Barkskin
      F2 - Dash
      F4 - Inner
      F - Efflorescence
      G - shapeshift
      Q - Artifact spell
      D - Ironbark mouseover macro
      J - Cenarion Ward mouseover macro
      E,H - interrupts
      T - Flourish
       
      The raid setup:
      I'm raiding Mythic so my healing frames are tuned for 20-man.

      As you can see, HoT icon section changed - now I track what other healers are doing too so we wouldn't overlap with the healing and I'm be sure that assigned damage mitigation spells are used.
      The actual strings to import are in this separate thread because it's technically problematic to update them here in guide.
       
      I have to say that there are loads of options that I didn’t speak about here. But I tried to keep it short and basic.
      I always can answer any of your questions about VuhDo or you can continue to dig it by yourselves.
    • By chocoslayer88
      Hey yall! so i'm writing this because i just want to undesrtand something. my friend and i compared numbers today because we are both shadow priests albeit i have a higher ilvl than he does maybe by around 7 im sitting at 863 . 
      what happend was during the last fight we decided to do the same -ish rotations meaing we both had vamp touch and shadow pain up on the same boss at all times.
      at the end of the fight i found something odd,
      his vamp touch dealt 4.99m dmg with max hit at 315 and minimum 
      mine only dealt 3.71 with max hit at 335 but take this in, minimum hit at 17k LOLLL
      another thing that got my attention
      his max hit on mind blast was 512 k, while mine was only at 281k.
      his crit and mastery stands at 20% and 40%, mine at 24% and 42%
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      can anyone explain this? at all? does it make any sense at all LOL
    • By Vandara
      Hi experts,
      I started with healing again in raids and mythics(+) and I followed the advice here to go for Int/haste first. it would be very nice if someone would tale the time to look at my equipment:
      http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/Area-52/Vandara/advanced
      and let me know if you have any hints for me if I should change my stats priority/enchantments etc. I think I could need a bigger Mana pool also.
      I just joined a hc raid group as a heal and I was not doing too bad, however I'd like to get better :-) Thank you so much for your help, it is really appreciated.
      Vandara
    • By Nyancoil
      Hello all,
      So, first off, I've decided to bring my hunter out of retirement and have begun the (not so horrid) grind. I've reached the point in Legion where I have both my BM and MM artifacts and I've messed around the current "best" talent choices and rotations to try and see how they play out.
      I'm in the early stages of Legion levelling (currently 103) but I have mained a Death Knight since just after Legion started and wanted a nice old school rDPS alternative for when the raids call for it. I've messed around with both specs *briefly* (and naturally as I level I'll get a better feel for them both) and I can't really decide which route I'd prefer to go down and with the incoming changes to BM (buffs all around it seems) and nerfs to some aspects of MM I'd really like to gather the opinions of other people to help me decide which route is best for me.
      Things I've noticed so far:
      1. Focus regen is an issue in BM and too a lesser extent in MM, I constantly find myself out of focus for up to 1-2 seconds, so I'm stood AAing - is this normal? A product of low, under-geared, lack of haste?
      2. Sidewinders feels HORRIBLE to use. I'm all for using what is best for that DPS race, but this talent just feel so poor to use. It might be a product of the way I play my Frost DK, but I like having filler spells, and the loss and or Arcane and Multi shot spam just hurts my gameplay feel.
      3. Did I mention Sidewinders feels horrible? The fact it pulls everything unless I'm hugging my target in melee range really doesn't make sense to me either. Why is this the mechanic?
      4. From a round of log reading I've seen that both BM and MM (as of 7.1.0) perform better in various fights and in various ways -- But my guild mates tell me otherwise. This could be a lack of them personally playing either spec, but just something I wanted to query what people think, although I guess with the changes coming it isn't as relevant now.
       
      For anyone that can give me any advice on which way to go it would be very appreciated, I'd love to get back into Hunter, I just really can't decide which spec will suit me best in playstyle and raiding! (Also, I'm torn on a class fantasy level because Windrunner bow vs 2 pets!)
      Thanks for taking the time to read (and reply!)