Survival Hunter 5.2 (74 replies to this topic)

This thread is for comments about our Survival Hunter guide for Patch 5.2.

Awesome guide thansk for the info...can't wait till Tuesday.  FYI the picture for the talents is incorrect but your guide for each tier is correct...just wanted to let you know.  Thanks again

zarila, on 26 August 2012 - 06:10 PM, said:

Nice comment, thanks! What do you mean by "the picture for the talents is incorrect"?

Shown on the page 15 Posthaste Narrow Escape Crouching Tiger, Hidden Chimera 30 Silencing Shot Wyvern Sting Binding Shot 45 Exhilaration Aspect of the Iron Hawk Spirit Bond 60 Fervor Readiness Thrill of the Hunt 75 A Murder of Crows Dire Beast Lynx Rush 90 Glaive Toss Powershot Barrage

what is current from what I see in Beta and on wowhead

15
    Posthaste   


Narrow Escape


Crouching Tiger, Hidden Chimera
30

Silencing Shot


Wyvern Sting


   Binding Shot
45

Exhilaration


Aspect of the Iron Hawk


Spirit Bond


60     Fervor


Dire Beast


Thrill of the Hunt

75
A Murder of Crows


Blink Strike


Lynx Rush

90
Glaive Toss


Powershot


Barrage


levels 60-90 talents are incorrect.  rediness will be a talent everyone gets and the dire beast and murder of crows have been changed...along with a few other things

Edited by zarila, 26 August 2012 - 10:08 PM.

Sorry about the confusion! We had some scripts that were getting all the information directly from Battle.net: http://eu.battle.net...specification#Y! Looks like Blizzard isn't in a hurry when it comes to fixing their calculator

Thank you again for reporting this, it has been fixed

No problem...I was just confused then thought the content was outdated..which is usually NOT the case with icy-veins website (thank you very much for that).  Now it is correct!  (except for the pictures of the spells dire beast looks like rediness and blink shot looks like dire beast.)

zarila, on 26 August 2012 - 10:55 PM, said:

Ah yes, I forgot to upload the new images

The guide has this in the macro section:


1.1. Generic Macros for Hunters

1.1.1. DPS Cooldown Macro

• /cast Rapid Fire
  
• /cast Bestial Wrath
  
• /cast Dire Beast
  
• /cast A Murder of Crows
  
• /cast Lynx Rush
  
• /cast Stampede

Bestial wrath isn't a SV ability. I assume copy/paste was the culprit for this small typo.

Edited by Tehstool, 28 August 2012 - 06:11 AM.

Tehstool, on 28 August 2012 - 06:10 AM, said:

This was actually intentional, so that players who change between specs do not need to alter their macro each time. We meant to include a mention of this fact in the description, but it seems we forgot to

Nice guide, thank you for it. Although i write this comment to point out some misunderstandings. In the Statistic priority and reforging section, you are speaking about Hit and Expertise cap, which is OK, but than there is the Soft haste cap, where you are speaking again about Hit and Expertise cap and no mentioning about haste, which makes a little confuse.

So... it is than 6000 or 2550 Hit/Expertise cap most hunters will need?

And what is the Soft haste cap?


Thank you

I'm sorry about that, I messed up something on the stats page. It should be fixed now.

We imagine that there will be a soft haste cap in MoP, but we prefer to not speculate too much for now.

Vlad, on 28 August 2012 - 06:17 AM, said:

Can't believe I didn't think of that I have the same thing in my macro lol.

Damien, on 28 August 2012 - 12:34 PM, said:

I predict the soft haste cap for SV will be 1170 haste in 5.0.4. I don't think the SV rotation will change at all until mop.

The guide says this

Mastery Rating is the least powerful stat for Survival Hunters. It increases the damage done by all your abilities, with the exception of your auto attacks and Kill Shot.


Before 5.0.4 mastery was better than haste and the reasons provided on why haste is better are the same as why haste is worse, doesn't seem like it should change.

Haste Rating increases your attack speed and focus regeneration.


What the stats do haven't changed.

Can I please get an explanation on why haste would beat out mastery now?

Error in Guide:

Glyph of Tranquilizing Shot removes the focus cost of Tranquilizing Shot, but gives the spell an 8 second cooldown.

The actual value is 10 seconds.

the hit cap now is only 7,5% ?

Sorry to inform you guys, but your DPS Cooldown Macro that is intended to blow every cooldown for burn phases (with the exception of Readiness) won't work for patch 5.0.4.  Dire Beast, A Murder of Crows and Lynx Rush share the same GCD.  This means you will have to spam some extra buttons or come up with some other clever macro.  Looking forward to any working suggestions before I find some solutions for myself.

Further to the above, even a simplified macro (for SRV Hunters):

/cast Rapid Fire
/cast Dire Beast
/cast A Murder of Crows

Does not appear to work.

Doing some testing shows the following:

1.
/cast Rapid Fire
/cast Dire Beast
/cast A Murder of Crows

Result:
Rapid Fire = PASS
Dire Beast = PASS
A Murder of Crows = FAIL


2.
/cast Rapid Fire
/cast A Murder of Crows
/cast Dire Beast

Result:
Rapid Fire = PASS
A Murder of Crows = PASS
Dire Beast = FAIL


3.
/cast Dire Beast
/cast A Murder of Crows

Result:
Dire Beast = PASS
A Murder of Crows = FAIL


4.
/cast A Murder of Crows
/cast Dire Beast

Result:
A Murder of Crows = PASS
Dire Beast = FAIL


5.
/cast A Murder of Crows
/cast Rapid Fire

Result:
A Murder of Crows = PASS
Rapid Fire = FAIL


6.
/cast Rapid Fire
/cast A Murder of Crows

Result:
Rapid Fire = PASS
A Murder of Crows = PASS


7.
/cast Rapid Fire
/cast Dire Beast

Result:
Rapid Fire = PASS
Dire Beast = PASS


8.
/cast Dire Beast
/cast A Murder of Crows

Result:
Dire Beast = PASS
A Murder of Crows = FAIL


If anyone can explain why this very simple three cast macro fails, and suggest a fix, it would be much appreciated!

Edited by Branah, 29 August 2012 - 04:42 PM.

Tehstool, on 28 August 2012 - 07:55 PM, said:

That makes sense indeed. I'll look into it more tomorrow and make the necessary edits.

Tehstool, on 28 August 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

Branah, on 29 August 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

Thank you a lot for pointing this out. I'll update the guide in the morning with this fix

DavideSilva, on 29 August 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

Yes, it's only 7.5%. Don't forget you now also need to cap Expertise

Raynewyn, on 29 August 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

Thank you! Don't be "sorry", we love getting feedback on our guides. It's the main way of improving them. I'm not sure if Dire Beast, A Murder of Crows, and Lynx Rush were added to the GCD when the patch went live... or if I was blind as a bat on the Beta. In any case, I'll rework the macro part in the morning. Thanks a lot.

Branah, on 29 August 2012 - 03:52 PM, said:

As I mentioned above, the reason is that Dire Beast, A Murder of Crows, and Lynx Rush are all on the global cooldown. I'll update the guide in the morning with whatever working versions of the macros I can come up with

hello vlad!
Have you arranje some killing dps macro?
I've tried yours, but as someone said, It dont work very well
What should we reforge less ( i.e, wich one should we take to put more exp cap ) ??

Thank you !1

DavideSilva, on 31 August 2012 - 12:51 AM, said:

For your second question, it's safe to reforge out of Mastery Rating now, to get your expertise cap.

For the first, no, I haven't. With so many of the abilities being on the global cooldown, you can just use them yourself manually. If something changes, or a better macro comes up, then I'll include it. I'm personally not a great fan of macros that just do together things you can do yourself anyway, so I probably won't include a macro for just using 2 spells together.