Protection Warrior 5.2 (49 replies to this topic)

This thread is for comments about our Protection Warrior guide for Patch 5.2.

I'm not entirely sure about this, but based on my very limited test Shockwave has about twice the damage potential of Dragon Roar.  If you are using this in Prot spec with a shield equipped then Bladestorm is slightly lower than Dragon Roar and significantly lower than shockwave.  It's true that Shockwave will use up a lot more global cooldowns so I don't know how big of a deal that is, but it still seems way better than Dragon Roar.

Edited by silverbow25, 30 August 2012 - 10:19 PM.

So, is the whole 15,000 stamina true? I have never seen a Prot Warrior gemmed that way, and its hard to find a high end one. I currently am no where near 15,000.

Sylverstone, on 31 August 2012 - 02:36 AM, said:

I believe the 15,000 stamina is an estimate for Mists of Pandaria.

silverbow25, on 30 August 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:

Thanks. I've updated the talents page to reflect this.

Sylverstone, on 31 August 2012 - 02:36 AM, said:

Indeed, as MadMonk pointed out, that is intended for level 90. We've fixed the wording though, so it is no longer misleading

Vlad, on 31 August 2012 - 10:39 AM, said:

I appreciate it because I was freaking out, great arms guide too.

Are you Sure that Blocking an attack refreshes Revenge? i haven't heard anything about that, I've been stacking Parry for the increased chance at revenge but if i can Refresh it with block then i really need to switch up my gear

One thing that I need clarification on is parry/dodge stat weights.  Dodge suffers from DR much quicker than Parry and Block now ( at least from what I have read).  How then, can parry = dodge?  Wouldn't parry>dodge?  Thanks in advance

Fearofhades, on 01 September 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

None of the tooltips claim that this is still the case, and from my testing, it doesn't seem to happen anymore. I've searched the guide for any mentions of Revenge's cooldown being reset by blocking an attack, but have failed to find any. If there are any, it is an error that we must correct, so please point it out to us

Faasnu, on 01 September 2012 - 10:04 PM, said:

I'm aware of the issue. I'll be fixing it in all guides by the end of the day. Thanks for mentioning it

Vlad, on 02 September 2012 - 11:59 AM, said:

Its under Priority & Reforging,Getting a better understanding, Parry & Dodge Rating. "Parry Rating and Dodge Rating are your next best statistics, with equal value between them. Successful blocks also reset the cooldown of your Revenge, thus increasing your rage generation and allowing you to use Shield Block and Shield Barrier more often."

Hmm, not sure I would agree with using the T4 talent on cd when on a boss, at least not for optimal survival.  The only one I would consider doing that on would be Dragons Roar.  My reasoning would be that you lose that gcd which could have procced sword and board, thus generating extra rage and giving you more survivability.  It would also make the rotation more complex by adding that step in when it seems unnecessary (at least for survival).  DPS might come close but it depends on the scaling with vengeance with all abilities, at 85 my SS hits for about 10k more than SW, while Devastate hits for about 4k less than SW (with no vengeance).  It would be very close for dps and not enough imo to warrant the added complexity for single target (the caveat would be if SW scales much better w/ vengeance than Dev and SS).  I would almost always reserve them for an aoe situation.

Of course that's just my opinion, but thought I would throw that out there.

Grom

Any reason why Spell Reflection isn't mentioned ?

Is Blizzard getting rid of it ? Apologies as I haven't logged into WoW since they release patch 5.

Fearofhades, on 02 September 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

Oh, thanks! I've updated that part, including the amounts of Parry and Dodge that you want to get.

Grombrindal, on 03 September 2012 - 02:41 AM, said:

You actually make a good point here. I hadn't thought of it this way, since maximising Devastate (for Sword and Board procs) usage didn't use to be a survivability increase. I do believe you have a point, and I would wonder why you would even use Dragon Roar, since it doesn't provide any survivability (no matter how much damage it does). I'll edit the guide

john_doe, on 03 September 2012 - 04:10 AM, said:

Spell Reflection wasn't mentioned because it hardly ever works against any meaningful boss abilities. The last time I recall Spell Reflection actually doing something useful was against Mimiron's head, where it allowed you to keep aggro of it from range. Of course, that's before it had an obscene cooldown. This isn't the first time someone has suggested including it in the guide, so I guess I will

Vlad, on 03 September 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

Yeah, the only reason I would think about it is because it's only one gcd per minute instead of SW being 3 per min and bladestorm losing 4 or so all at once.  But for maximum survival I wouldn't use it at all.

Why under the stat priority section do you put Hit/Exp behind everything else....... Right now as it stands it's no longer just for aggro as it's essential for our rage generation which now directly affects our dmg mitigation through either shield block or barrier.... priority should be Stam>Hit(7.5)= Exp(7.5)>mastery >Parry>dodge..... I might even put the hit/exp caps above Stam....... I might be right out to lunch here, and if I am I need to understand why.
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Here is a macro for displaying current combat table coverage in the chat frame.  I find it useful to pop this during procs to see how they effect avoidance.   I don't know if the formula will need to be updated for MoP, though.

/script DEFAULT_CHAT_FRAME:AddMessage("Need 102.4 combat table coverage. Currently at: "..string.format("%.2f", GetDodgeChance()+GetBlockChance()+GetParryChance()+5))

Nice prot guide. Havent logged my warrior since the patch (apart from AH stuff ) as I am concentrating on my Warlock.
However, you should remove 'Raid Defense Stats' from your warrior addons as I wont be updating it for MoP due to the CTC no longer being reachable. It doesnt even work on 5.0.4 and will probably disconnect you if you try to use it
If I get enough demand for it, I MAY change my mind though.

Turjan, on 07 September 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

Handy macro at the minute, but will be fairly useless in MoP as the CTC will no longer be reachable.
also, the '5' at the end of the macro needs to be changed to a '7' if you are a night-elf due to their racial of an extra 2% miss

Turjan, on 07 September 2012 - 08:32 PM, said:

As Boradan below you posted, the "CTC coverage" is going away in Mists of Pandaria, so this macro will no longer be of much use.

Boradan, on 08 September 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

Thanks for pointing this out. Obviously, we're aware that CTC is going away, I just overlooked removing the addon

I will update the guide asap, thanks again!