Frost Death Knight 5.2 (72 replies to this topic)

This thread is for comments about our Frost Death Knight guide for Patch 5.2.

Rotation, Cooldowns and Abilities:

The frost 2h rotation is incomplete as regards to Frost Strike, it leaves off at: Cast Frost Strike if

Raise Dead is listed as 1 minute duration and 3 minute cooldown, it is actually a 2 minute cooldown.

Buffs, Debuffs, Useful Abilities:

Necrotic strike is listed as a -25% casting speed debuff, that is only v. players. Against bosses it is -50%.

Valyk, on 31 August 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

Thanks for reporting! We've fixed it.

For DW on mr robot it gives a much different stat priority then what is listed here. I know they are different sites but ppl being suggested to go there to look at their toons will not recieve similiar info as they were given here. The base settings they have has haste set up ahead of everything including hit past 5% much like a pre 5.0 set up.

Tyrven, on 07 September 2012 - 11:17 PM, said:

There currently are inconsistenties between askmrrobot and icy-veins as mrrobot is currently transitioning to MoP stat weights. If you are looking for 5.0.4 stat priorities, pre-mop then you can sefely use the guides on our website. Both website will have consistent priorities once Mists of Pandaria is released.

For Dw Frost dk reforge is it Haste>Mastery? as I've heard its mastery>haste but my friend tells me Im wrong lol ?

Niklas, on 10 September 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

This depends on whether you are dual-wielding or using a two-handed weapon.

For dual wielding, it is Mastery > Haste.
For two-handed weapons, it is Haste > Crit > Mastery.

Hi, Im Frost DW Dk, I use HoM Hc in Mainhand and Elements of Death(normal) as off-hand.. is that good? as I've heard the proc from EoD is better Dps wise if u do Mastery>haste witch are the reforge prio for Dw, so is it better to use EoD(normal) as offhand or is Souldrinker(normal) still better?

Hey Vlad,

you wrote in the singletarget rotation DW

Cast Obliterate if
Both Frost/Unholy runes or both Death runes are available OR
You have a Killing Machine proc AND you have less than 10 runic power (not enough to cast Frost Strike).

Why does it only costs 10 rp? Is that a mistake? With my dk it costs 20 rp...

Greetings Proterozoi

Proterozoi, on 11 September 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

The guide states that if you have insufficient runic power for frost strike, you cast obliterate. But you are right it appears that frost strike does cost 20 runic power.

Edited by Tehstool, 11 September 2012 - 03:55 PM.

Proterozoi, on 11 September 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

Tehstool, on 11 September 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

This is indeed a mistake. Most likely a typo. Either that or I wasn't seeing clearly when I wrote it. I'll fix it in a moment

Thank you both!

Too bad...

i don't know what is my mistake, but i have serveral times in a fight, where i can only stand there, autoattacking the boss, because i have no runes oder rp... i use exactly the same rotation recommend in your guide.

Sorry for my bad english, i hope you understand my problem

no pestilence for AOE?

2H is better than DW in MoP

JohnnyP, on 24 September 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

This is a point I'd like to raise, albiet in a slightly more constructive way. Simulationcraft currently ranks deathkinght_frost_2h as the 5th highest dps in game at 57k, and deathknight_frost_1h as 19th dps in game at just under 52K.
This guide however (which I find WAY more helpful than raw simulcraft numbers) says dual wielding gives higher dps as a frost DK right now. Now as much as I love these guides, I feel I'd be remiss to ignore simulcraft, so who's right?

Mnethses, on 05 October 2012 - 06:13 PM, said:

Thank you for your compliments, and your excellent post. The evaluation of 2H vs DW in our guide was indeed out of date. We have now fixed it!

Vlad, on 06 October 2012 - 08:41 PM, said:

Not quite, the introduction page still states:

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Edited by Douglaum, 07 October 2012 - 02:46 AM.

i was reading ur guide (which is very well written, gz to all) but got confused about dw or 2h.
in the 1st page of the guide "Introduction" u say

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Both the dual wielding and the two-handed playstyles are viable, although dual wielding currently does more DPS.

but in the "Rotation, cooldown and abilities" section u say  

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which one is correct? i think that 2h is performing better, but is this the case?

I been a DW frost for years and loved it so much I always said it would take a lot to make me change. Well change is here and as much as I love your site and have been sending everyone I know here I was shocked to see it still saying DW has a dps edge. Not only is a 2 hander better its leaps and bounds better IMO and my testing resuilts has been a 10k increase over DW. My IL 462 all weapons in test were 463 s. My avg dw dps was 52 to 55k. Reforged to haste and crit and was lucky to have a spare 2h with haste n crit stats and avg dps went up to 65 to 69k. Oblit crits are insane about 188k and it crits a lot. Took this in a heroic and checked meters after to find some max crits at 333k. Goodby DW.

I'd like to thank the last 3 posters for pointing out this inconsistency. Truthfully, I had forgotten that the introduction page still contained such a mention, so I only updated the rotation page

I've fixed it now, hopefully for good.