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Hey guys yesterday i have a talk with my dps officer and he told me i should improve my dps and get some ranks in worldoflogs .. and there are no other elemental shaman in my guild so i cant really find a guy to compare my dps with im not setting with 577 ilvl ( i just get my heroic wep/ring items last run so was running with normal one ) my haste 32.80% and mastry 97.04% my armory http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/dragonblight/Slashcry/advanced

 

world of logs

 

This week : http://worldoflogs.com/reports/bl291qkgnvoto7hz/

Last week : http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-vvn890s3a7gqflny/ http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-30tf2ecybk414nou/

 

Yea we have some wipes coz we are running alot with new ppl's each week , and last week was swapping between UF and EB and this week i run all fights with UF and please see from longs what im really doing for example in general naz ( adds not stacking so im single targetting each one and spoils switching to sparks drop some deps and starting in Mantid crate )

Klaxxi heroic im always in bottom of the list and i believe because other ppl do some aoe's to parasite which i dont do .

 

My open in fight before pull 2-3 sec :

1-summon fire elemental

2- pre pot

3- casting lighting ball

4- flame shock

5- using stormlash ( i asked to do it first ) 

6- lava burst

7- UE

8- Ascendance and spamming lava burst 

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Hey Slashcry, welcome to Icy-Veins.

 

So, I unfortunately can't really do the more advanced analysis with WorldofLogs anymore.  If you did still happen to have that log available, and could upload it to WarcraftLogs, I'd be more than happy to take another look.

 

As for more basic things:

 

Your gearing is good for a UF build, right on hit cap and mastery over 95%.  Remember that Mastery doesn't give a benefit past 100%, so if you must make the choice, stay under 100%, not over!

 

Your UE usage is really low.  Remember the rules of UF!  Use UE on cooldown, as long as you can guarantee you'll spend Unleash Flame on Lava Burst.  If you spend Unleash Flame on Flame Shock, you'd may as well go EB.  You only hit UE 13 times out of 24 possible on Sha of Pride, and only 10 out of 22 possible on your longest Malkorok attempt.

 

If you had parsed to WarcraftLogs, I could see if you let Lava Surge be overwritten, how many Fulms you cast during the UF buff's uptime, and more advanced things like that.  But, from WorldofLogs, that's pretty much all I can see.

 

 

 

If you're not comfortable with the UF build, why not go back EB?  To this day, I still run EB @ 580 ilvl, just by making sure my Mastery is at the EB cap of 87.4%, and substituting the extra Mastery for Haste.

 

If you feel like you are comfortable with the UF build, you desperately need to cast UE more, and that would most likely single-handedly bring you up 15-20% DPS.  (If Unleash Flame is spent on Lava Burst).

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In sha of pride when switch on adds its pointless to cast UF on adds which die very fast and u should consider being in prisoner / pacman phase which make me cast UF less and Malkorok its all about my fps ( which is very low ) so im playing safe and carefully to not get hit by staff 

 

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/guilds/1369/ those warcraftlogs

 

You have any logs for u so i can see ? wanna see ur build and maybe test it :

Thanks for taking ur time to help smile.png

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In sha of pride when switch on adds its pointless to cast UF on adds which die very fast and u should consider being in prisoner / pacman phase which make me cast UF less and Malkorok its all about my fps ( which is very low ) so im playing safe and carefully to not get hit by staff 

 

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/guilds/1369/ those warcraftlogs

 

You have any logs for u so i can see ? wanna see ur build and maybe test it :

Thanks for taking ur time to help smile.png

Oh, I totally did count those times; I know how to look for mechanics.  You should have still been at least 7 casts higher.  You're right that UF isn't worthwhile on the add, but at that point it might be better to stick on the boss once it comes up.

 

And yes, those Warcraftlogs.  They're so much easier to use, because I can do fancy things like this:

 

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Cc8BZRnKQLMThPfb#fight=38&type=damage-done&source=3&pins=0%24Main%24%23244F4B%24auras-cast%240%240.0.0.Any%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24118470%5E0%24Main%24%23909049%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24403%5E0%24Main%24%23a04D8A%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%2451505

 

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Cc8BZRnKQLMThPfb#fight=38&type=damage-done&source=3&pins=0%24Main%24%23244F4B%24auras-cast%240%240.0.0.Any%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24118470%5E0%24Main%24%23909049%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24403%5E0%24Main%24%23a04D8A%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%2451505&start=13066859&end=13076915

 

The light blue/cyan bars are when you had UF on the boss, and the lines are LB or LvB casts.  If you do ANYTHING during UF's uptime on the boss that isn't Lightning Bolt or Lava Burst, you're not using UF correctly to it's potential.

 

To rephrase, if UF is on the boss, you should only be casting Lightning Bolt or Lava Burst, and should be doing filler tasks (Searing Totem / Stormlash / Earth Shock/Fulmination / Flame Shock) when it's down.

 

Now lets look in other areas.  Galakras, for example, is a long fight with a short duration burn at the end.  You saved your cooldowns well for it, but your UF didn't overlap with your Ascendance, so you lost a lot of damage there.

 

Typically, if you're going to use Ascend, you'll want to make sure Flame Shock is at 20+ seconds, spend UF, hit Lava Burst, hit Ascend, and Lava Burst your heart out.  Instead, you spend 2 GCDs doing something else, and waste the LvB CD reset your Ascend offers.

 

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Cc8BZRnKQLMThPfb#fight=16&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Main%24%23244F4B%24auras-cast%240%240.0.0.Any%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24118470%5E0%24Main%24%23a04D8A%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%2451505%5E0%24Main%24%23DF5353%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24false%24114050&start=5432119&end=5507336&source=3

 

That's a little nitpicky, but it shows that you have to be more aware of your UF debuff.

 

Another concern is your Flame Shock usage.  Take a look at this:

 

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Cc8BZRnKQLMThPfb#fight=13&type=damage-done&source=3&pins=0%24Main%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24false%2473683%5E0%24Main%24%23909049%24casts%240%240.0.0.Any%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%248050

 

The cyan this time is Unleash Flame, where as the yellow lines are your Flame Shock casts.  You did pretty good on this, only consuming a single Unleash Flame with a Flame Shock.  I'm also assuming that the close together Flame Shocks were on adds.  If they weren't, make sure you're not refreshing before 3 seconds remaining.

 

Iron Jugg wasn't as good.  Cyan = Unleash Flame, yellow lines = Flame Shock, Pink = Siege Mode on the boss, just so I don't count it.

 

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Cc8BZRnKQLMThPfb#fight=18&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Main%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24false%2473683%5E0%24Main%24%23909049%24casts%240%240.0.0.Any%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%248050%5E0%24Main%24%23a04D8A%24auras-gained%241%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24144483

 

Minimum of 2, max of 4 Flame Shocks spent with Unleash Flame.  I know it seems like a nitpicky little thing, but think of it this way.  Lava Burst with Unleash Flame does 50% additional damage, plus another 10% after the fact from Unleashed Fury, and then take all of that and multiply it by 1.75 for your Mastery: Elemental Overload.  It's easily ~1mil+ damage, with ~55% of that being from the Unleash Flame buff.

 

Also on Iron Jugg, you're plagued by casting other things during UF's uptime:

 

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Cc8BZRnKQLMThPfb#fight=18&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Main%24%23a04D8A%24auras-gained%241%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24144483%5E0%24Main%24%23909049%24auras-cast%240%240.0.0.Any%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24118470%5E0%24Main%24%23a04D8A%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%2451505%5E0%24Main%24%23DF5353%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24403&source=3

 

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Cc8BZRnKQLMThPfb#fight=18&type=damage-done&pins=0%24Main%24%23a04D8A%24auras-gained%241%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24144483%5E0%24Main%24%23909049%24auras-cast%240%240.0.0.Any%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24118470%5E0%24Main%24%23a04D8A%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%2451505%5E0%24Main%24%23DF5353%24damage%240%240.0.0.Any%2489526485.0.0.Shaman%24true%240.0.0.Any%24false%24403&source=3&start=5982968&end=5994066

 

For emphasis, on that last segment, I removed Lava Burst and Lightning Bolt repeats from Echo/Mastery from the graph's damage output.

 

 

TL;DR - Your problems stem from poor UF usage.  Getting better at it, or swapping to EB (w/ the 87.4% Mastery cap) is the solution, and you should see some significant increases.

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Thanks alot for ur help and tips but as galakras you said i have waste 2 gcd during ascendance which is true but overall how possible to rank as ele i mean im still faraway from ranking and do u run all fights with EB ? I just try EB build with 87~% mastry and gem some sockets with haste i did on dummy for 3 mins 320k~ dps and with UF 310~k dps it still about procs and etc .. but i see u doing very will in Juggernaut do u run this fight with EB or UF ?  and can i have a look on ur Warcraftlogs 

 

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Thanks alot for ur help and tips but as galakras you said i have waste 2 gcd during ascendance which is true but overall how possible to rank as ele i mean im still faraway from ranking and do u run all fights with EB ? I just try EB build with 87~% mastry and gem some sockets with haste i did on dummy for 3 mins 320k~ dps and with UF 310~k dps it still about procs and etc .. but i see u doing very will in Juggernaut do u run this fight with EB or UF ?  and can i have a look on ur Warcraftlogs 

 

Thanks smile.png

I just edited it with some more analysis!

 

Ranking for an Ele is pretty hard this late in the tier, unless your guild is cheesing some fights.  For example, the highest Nazgrim rank has an Ele at ~650k, because they sat in the back and AoE'd that pack of Warshamans before the boss.

 

What you should be looking for, though, is DPS numbers.  Such as 380-400k DPS on a fight like Malkorok, striving for the top 5.  If your DPS officer blatantly wants you to rank, and not just play well, they're not focused on the right things.

 

I run every fight as EB, because I think that UF is too complicated to get a good damage gain from.  Base, the damage gain going to UF is only about 3-5%, and it goes way lower when you can't UF on cooldown, or spend your Unleash Flame on Lava Burst.  It's pretty difficult to perfect UF play.

 

Our last few weeks have been fun and sloppy runs, so I'm going to link you to specific logs.  If you want to see more, you can browse through the guild.  I also usually die on IJ, because I'm trying so hard to stay in range during the knockback... Most of these are ilvl 576 pre-5.4.8.

 

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Fvx84zdw2ZfWa7XR#fight=33&type=damage-done - Malk Rank 9

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K2BNardFp4nzQJgj#fight=7 - Sha Rank 3

http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K2BNardFp4nzQJgj#fight=11&type=damage-done - IJ w/ 1 death.

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