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I'm curious, does meteor proc Heating Up?

 

No.

How do you open when using meteor and heating up trick?

Prepare the trick, if you have Pyroblast! and heating up ready, cast one Pyro, then meteor, then (hopefully)  next Pyro? 

 

PS: thanks a lot for your good work with the guides an the forums!

Glad you like our work! I added some instructions for using Meteor in the opening sequence. I realise my answer comes a bit late, but I hope you will find it useful, nonetheless.

 

 

On a single target boss fight while needing to move a lot is it better to take. Mirror Images meteor and blast wave. I have trouble using crystal seems like it does to quickly and kindling is well yea. rune of power I really can't see using in a lot of fights due to high movement so would mirror images or incanters ward be better?

 

So what would be best to take mirror images or incanters ward? Sould I use meteor before or after I combust or does it not matter?

 

When in doubt, the best way is to look at what other mages are doing. Here is a top Fire Mage on Tectus Mythic (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fcbrqLz4RB2GjJW6#fight=8&type=auras&source=20). They are using Incanter's Ward.

Always use Meteor before Combustion.

 

What is a good crit% at lv 100

 

As much as you can get.

 

What's the reasoning behind waiting to cast inferno blast until after you get a heating up proc? Is it just to simplify the rotation? It seems like you'd want to use it on cooldown if it has a higher DPET than fireball.

The point of casting Inferno Blast is to transform Heating Up into a Pyroclast proc and give you a free and instant-cast Pyroblast.

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It's ok to hard cast pyroblast, so long as you start the cast before the fight starts.. for example

 

pull in 5 sec right?

 

5..4..3.5(pre-pot)..2(hard cast pyro).. +1sec into combat(begin burst phase).

 

This is of course, based on the assumption that you do pull counts, and you get yelled at for pre-casting.

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It's ok to hard cast pyroblast, so long as you start the cast before the fight starts.. for example

 

pull in 5 sec right?

 

5..4..3.5(pre-pot)..2(hard cast pyro).. +1sec into combat(begin burst phase).

 

This is of course, based on the assumption that you do pull counts, and you get yelled at for pre-casting.

As it is written in the guide, yes! :)

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You claim kindling is the worst lvl100 talent and glyph of combustion is mandatory, but have you considered that its glyph of combustion that makes kindling bad? I mean you dont get a 2sec reduction of the CD on combustion just becuse you have the glyph that doubles its CD.

 

So with kindling, without glyph you can easily fit in 3 combustions in the time a mage with gylph and meteor only gets one.

 

Also with my bad luck I woulden't use the glyph just to gain some in the opener where Im usualy having luck problems of even getting a decent crit combo off while the pots effect is lasting. smile.png Life of casion mage.

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You claim kindling is the worst lvl100 talent and glyph of combustion is mandatory, but have you considered that its glyph of combustion that makes kindling bad? I mean you dont get a 2sec reduction of the CD on combustion just becuse you have the glyph that doubles its CD.

 

So with kindling, without glyph you can easily fit in 3 combustions in the time a mage with gylph and meteor only gets one.

 

Also with my bad luck I woulden't use the glyph just to gain some in the opener where Im usualy having luck problems of even getting a decent crit combo off while the pots effect is lasting. smile.png Life of casion mage.

The reason why we claim Kindling is bad is: fe1bEzS.png

 

However, scenarios where Kindling would be better are cleave fight swhere it's likely you won't hit meteor on all targets on cooldown. Or if the cooldown reduction from kindling lets you cast combustion earlier, and thus let you hit more targets with it. (Example: tectus)

 

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Kindling is good on very specific situations, when you could get an extra combust off at more apporopriate times AND you couldn't benefit from meteor. Think of a fight like Tectus. On ST though Kindling is bad.

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How do you open when using meteor and heating up trick?

Prepare the trick, if you have Pyroblast! and heating up ready, cast one Pyro, then meteor, then (hopefully)  next Pyro? 

 

PS: thanks a lot for your good work with the guides an the forums!

 

Combustion rotation:
For combustion, you want to make sure, (especially on your opener) that your trinkets and ring etc are procced before starting the combustion rotation below. Also use any on-use effects during it.
 
- [With Meteor talented]: Firstly, make sure meteor and combustion are both off cooldown, then:
1. Cast Fireball until Heating Up procs.
2. Cast Inferno Blast to turn Heating Up into Pyroblast! proc. (never interrupt a cast for this)
3. Continue casting fireballs until you get a new Heating Up proc.
4. Cast Pyroblast when you got both Pyroblast! proc and Heating Up proc and there's a fireball in the air flying towards the boss.
5. Cast Meteor on the boss
6. Keep casting any extra pyroblast! procs you got left onto the boss (usually just one, sometimes two)
7. Make sure the last pyroblast landed on the boss, and cast Combustion, if there's any adds/cleave potential, make sure you spread combustion afterwards with inferno blast if there's any nearby targets.
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Guest Sawboss

You say lb aint a choice to chooce but on iron maiden spreading 3 LB. Is rather a sick aoe boost i think so i keep wondering why BW is better than LB?

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You say lb aint a choice to chooce but on iron maiden spreading 3 LB. Is rather a sick aoe boost i think so i keep wondering why BW is better than LB?

Where do we actually say that? As far as I can see here: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/fire-mage-pve-dps-spec-builds-talents-glyphs#tier-5-talents

 

We say that in most situation you SHOULD take LB.. ^^

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I wonder you say kindling is bad and all and you have shown simc number but in simc you standing still dont have the mistakes of your team mates and i wonder why woult the mage who aprovved this guide use kindling himself also kuznam using it so i wonder is it good/bad in single target fights or aoe fight and is it good/bad with a certain % of crit / gear il you need to require

Just wondering as a lobely fire mage who investing and trying everything wen i can to keep playing fire and avoiding arcane :p

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I wonder you say kindling is bad and all and you have shown simc number but in simc you standing still dont have the mistakes of your team mates and i wonder why woult the mage who aprovved this guide use kindling himself also kuznam using it so i wonder is it good/bad in single target fights or aoe fight and is it good/bad with a certain % of crit / gear il you need to require

Just wondering as a lobely fire mage who investing and trying everything wen i can to keep playing fire and avoiding arcane tongue.png

If the cooldown reduction from kindling lets you cast combustion earlier, and thus let you hit more targets with it, use kindling instead. (Example: tectus) 

 

There's probably a similar fight in BRF, but I am inactive in game currently, so I cannot bring an example from there.

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Can you add 2pc T17 double ignite to combust tip.

 

I am a noob mage and didn't realize until i watched rikh's basic fire video

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im wondering why suddenly mastery above crit ? is it now that we have to go for mastery instead of crit and why woult askmrrobot still want me to enchant/gem crit ?

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Is there a breakpoint for crit and mastery?  I'm currently in the middle of the item level guides regarding strategy.  I'm currently at a 41% self-buffed crit rating with 23.55% mastery.  Now that mastery is preferred over crit, I'm wondering how much of each I should have and how those numbers balance out.  Also, with less crit does it change the mechanic / value of pyroblast?  Before I thought pyroblast was our bread and butter DPS spell when insta-cast.

How about level 90 talents...on boss encounters that last longer than 3 minutes and there's still a slight bit of movement, like in Gruul's, is Incanter's better than Rune of Power or does that small time out of Rune not matter?  Would mirror images still be a skill worth using?

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Can you add 2pc T17 double ignite to combust tip.

 

I am a noob mage and didn't realize until i watched rikh's basic fire video

It's a potential DPS loss. Double IB ignites is considerably lower damage than setting up for Heating Up! "trick" and getting a streak of Hot Streaks! (wow, this sounds so good :D)

 

im wondering why suddenly mastery above crit ? is it now that we have to go for mastery instead of crit and why woult askmrrobot still want me to enchant/gem crit ?

Mastery is better in multiple target encounters and there decent amount of those in BRF, whilst crit is better for single target, but there is still an argument going on about these among the theorycrafters. You cannot really be wrong if you chose to focus on one or the other.

AMR will suggest you to gem the way you set it up. AMR is a tool, not a guide.

 

Is there a breakpoint for crit and mastery?  I'm currently in the middle of the item level guides regarding strategy.  I'm currently at a 41% self-buffed crit rating with 23.55% mastery.  Now that mastery is preferred over crit, I'm wondering how much of each I should have and how those numbers balance out.  Also, with less crit does it change the mechanic / value of pyroblast?  Before I thought pyroblast was our bread and butter DPS spell when insta-cast.

How about level 90 talents...on boss encounters that last longer than 3 minutes and there's still a slight bit of movement, like in Gruul's, is Incanter's better than Rune of Power or does that small time out of Rune not matter?  Would mirror images still be a skill worth using?

There's no breakpoint. Get as much as you can. Your stat priority doesn't alter your rotation.

For Gruul, RoP is a great choice, there isn't too much movement, and you can use Ice Floes while moving (if you have to at all) to replace your rune just in case. MI is just bad for fire, don't take it if it's not necessary.

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Hello, just had a comment on the stat prioritization for fire mages.  It states that we should seek haste until 900, but I'm a gnome with the 1% haste buff.  Instead I think it should read seek haste until 10% bonus (most races 900, for gnomes 810 +1% haste bonus)

 

Thanks!

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Hello, just had a comment on the stat prioritization for fire mages.  It states that we should seek haste until 900, but I'm a gnome with the 1% haste buff.  Instead I think it should read seek haste until 10% bonus (most races 900, for gnomes 810 +1% haste bonus)

 

Thanks!

There's no point. using stat numbers is universal, rather then percentage plus numbers.

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From the Guide: "Apply wow_icon_ability_mage_livingbomb.jpgLiving Bomb and refresh it after it expires"

 

Is there a reason to apply LB after it expires instead of a few seconds before it expires? The explosion will happen anyways.

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Why is it that dragon's breath is now in the rotation of a fire mage? Never used it before, even when it's glyphed in my single target rotation, aoe I can understand but not the dragon's breath.

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"None of your major glyphs will be mandatory."

 

"Glyph of Dragon's Breath increases the damage of wow_icon_inv_misc_head_dragon_01.jpgDragon's Breath by 100% and is mandatory."

 

Right, so which is it?

Since a July's patch, Dragon's Breath received a significant buff, making it worthy to be included in single target rotation. Thus, the glyph is indeed mandatory. The first sentence is probably from an earlier patch.

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so i doubt anyone has read this in months, but why is boe trinket over DSI, as well as piston? simcraft is inaccurate on this information.

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so i doubt anyone has read this in months, but why is boe trinket over DSI, as well as piston? simcraft is inaccurate on this information.

Why is there a problem with Sandman's Pouch being on top of the chart?

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      Honor gained from the Battleground Blitz Brawl now contributes towards the PvP track in the Great Vault.  MONK Mistweaver Ancient Teachings healing transfer amount reduced to 375% in PvP combat (was 412%). PRIEST Discipline Atonement healing increased by 35% in PvP combat (was 15%).  
       
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    • By Staff
      Dragonriding has been renamed to Skyriding in The War Within and we're taking a closer look at how the system works!
      More than 400 mounts have been updated with new animations to support Skyriding in The War Within. Skyriding and all the associated spells reside in your updated SpellbooK.

      The Mounts tab has been updated with a new button that lets you switch flight style. You can switch between Skyriding and standard flying, but some zones still require the Pathfinder achievements to enable standard flying.

      Dynamic Flight Talents cost Dragon Power. You will gain extra Skyriding power as you level up. This how Blizzard is changing the current Dragon Glyphs / talent system.

      There are two new choice nodes to the right in the tree as you can see in the screenshot.
      The first node lets you enable/disable the Ride Along feature.

      The node beneath it lets you pick between Whirling Surge or Lightning Rush.

    • By Staff
      The new Arachnophobia Mode in The War Within also works on spider mounts!
      If you own a spider mount say Bloodfang Cocoon and you turn on Arachnophobia Mode, you will suddenly have a crab mount! Here is a shot from the Alpha by MrGM who did it all for science.
      Placeholder for tweet 1781074564966957538 Check out our news post about the new Arachnophobia Mode for more details.
    • By Staff
      A lot has been covered from the War Within Alpha press event, so here's everything we have from it so far. 
      Interviews and Collector's Edition:
      The War Within Developer Group Interview Summary: April 16th A First Look at the War Within 20th Anniversary Collector's Edition New Systems and UI Previews:
      More Classes for the Dracthyr Race in The War Within (New) Stacking XP Buff From Warbands in War Within (New) More Classes for the Dracthyr Race in The War Within (New) Warbands: Account-Wide Everything in The War Within War Within Warbands Feature Preview (Official) New Character Select Screen in The War Within New "All Crab" Arachnophobia Accessibility Setting in War Within Alpha Spellbook Revamp in War Within Alpha Dungeons and Raids
      New Dungeons and Loot Item Levels in The War Within Season 1 Nerub'ar Palace Raid Bosses and Item Level of Rewards War Within Season 1 Nerub'ar Palace Tier Sets Sneak Peek Nerub'ar Palace Raid Environments and Enemies (War Within Alpha) Heroic Raid Week Returns With Nerub'ar Palace in War Within Season 1! Mounts
      Mole Mounts in the War Within (New) War Within Dynamic Flight Preview (Official) (New) The War Within Season 1 Vicious Mounts Preview Gladiator Mounts in The War Within Season 1&2: Gold/Silver Armored Fel Bat Delver's Dirigible: Customizable Mounts from the Delves Story
      Important Lore Character Dies in the War Within? The Fate of Dalaran in The War Within Pre-Patch Event New Alleria, Anduin, and Xal'atath Models in The War Within The World
      Earthen Racials in The War Within (New) War Within Zone Screenshots A Look at the Earthen Allied Race
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