Fire Mage 6.2

[Damien 1,514]

I'm curious, does meteor proc Heating Up?

 

No.

How do you open when using meteor and heating up trick?

Prepare the trick, if you have Pyroblast! and heating up ready, cast one Pyro, then meteor, then (hopefully)  next Pyro? 

 

PS: thanks a lot for your good work with the guides an the forums!

Glad you like our work! I added some instructions for using Meteor in the opening sequence. I realise my answer comes a bit late, but I hope you will find it useful, nonetheless.

 

 

On a single target boss fight while needing to move a lot is it better to take. Mirror Images meteor and blast wave. I have trouble using crystal seems like it does to quickly and kindling is well yea. rune of power I really can't see using in a lot of fights due to high movement so would mirror images or incanters ward be better?

 

So what would be best to take mirror images or incanters ward? Sould I use meteor before or after I combust or does it not matter?

 

When in doubt, the best way is to look at what other mages are doing. Here is a top Fire Mage on Tectus Mythic (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fcbrqLz4RB2GjJW6#fight=8&type=auras&source=20). They are using Incanter's Ward.

Always use Meteor before Combustion.

 

What is a good crit% at lv 100

 

As much as you can get.

 

What's the reasoning behind waiting to cast inferno blast until after you get a heating up proc? Is it just to simplify the rotation? It seems like you'd want to use it on cooldown if it has a higher DPET than fireball.

The point of casting Inferno Blast is to transform Heating Up into a Pyroclast proc and give you a free and instant-cast Pyroblast.

[Guest George]

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[Pyrogenics 4]

It's ok to hard cast pyroblast, so long as you start the cast before the fight starts.. for example

 

pull in 5 sec right?

 

5..4..3.5(pre-pot)..2(hard cast pyro).. +1sec into combat(begin burst phase).

 

This is of course, based on the assumption that you do pull counts, and you get yelled at for pre-casting.

[Oltier 471]

It's ok to hard cast pyroblast, so long as you start the cast before the fight starts.. for example

 

pull in 5 sec right?

 

5..4..3.5(pre-pot)..2(hard cast pyro).. +1sec into combat(begin burst phase).

 

This is of course, based on the assumption that you do pull counts, and you get yelled at for pre-casting.

As it is written in the guide, yes! :)

[Guest Zalamandra]

You claim kindling is the worst lvl100 talent and glyph of combustion is mandatory, but have you considered that its glyph of combustion that makes kindling bad? I mean you dont get a 2sec reduction of the CD on combustion just becuse you have the glyph that doubles its CD.

 

So with kindling, without glyph you can easily fit in 3 combustions in the time a mage with gylph and meteor only gets one.

 

Also with my bad luck I woulden't use the glyph just to gain some in the opener where Im usualy having luck problems of even getting a decent crit combo off while the pots effect is lasting. Life of casion mage.

[Oltier 471]

You claim kindling is the worst lvl100 talent and glyph of combustion is mandatory, but have you considered that its glyph of combustion that makes kindling bad? I mean you dont get a 2sec reduction of the CD on combustion just becuse you have the glyph that doubles its CD.

 

So with kindling, without glyph you can easily fit in 3 combustions in the time a mage with gylph and meteor only gets one.

 

Also with my bad luck I woulden't use the glyph just to gain some in the opener where Im usualy having luck problems of even getting a decent crit combo off while the pots effect is lasting. Life of casion mage.

The reason why we claim Kindling is bad is: 

 

However, scenarios where Kindling would be better are cleave fight swhere it's likely you won't hit meteor on all targets on cooldown. Or if the cooldown reduction from kindling lets you cast combustion earlier, and thus let you hit more targets with it. (Example: tectus)

 

Image source: http://altered-time.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=750

[Berlinia 168]

Kindling is good on very specific situations, when you could get an extra combust off at more apporopriate times AND you couldn't benefit from meteor. Think of a fight like Tectus. On ST though Kindling is bad.

[Dutchmagoz 30]

How do you open when using meteor and heating up trick?

Prepare the trick, if you have Pyroblast! and heating up ready, cast one Pyro, then meteor, then (hopefully)  next Pyro? 

 

PS: thanks a lot for your good work with the guides an the forums!

 

Combustion rotation:

For combustion, you want to make sure, (especially on your opener) that your trinkets and ring etc are procced before starting the combustion rotation below. Also use any on-use effects during it.

VIDEO of opener: http://www.twitch.tv/dutchmagoz/c/5959250

 

- [With Meteor talented]: Firstly, make sure meteor and combustion are both off cooldown, then:

1. Cast Fireball until Heating Up procs.

2. Cast Inferno Blast to turn Heating Up into Pyroblast! proc. (never interrupt a cast for this)

3. Continue casting fireballs until you get a new Heating Up proc.

4. Cast Pyroblast when you got both Pyroblast! proc and Heating Up proc and there's a fireball in the air flying towards the boss.

5. Cast Meteor on the boss

6. Keep casting any extra pyroblast! procs you got left onto the boss (usually just one, sometimes two)

7. Make sure the last pyroblast landed on the boss, and cast Combustion, if there's any adds/cleave potential, make sure you spread combustion afterwards with inferno blast if there's any nearby targets.

Edited January 30, 2015 by Dutchmagoz

[Guest Sawboss]

You say lb aint a choice to chooce but on iron maiden spreading 3 LB. Is rather a sick aoe boost i think so i keep wondering why BW is better than LB?

[Oltier 471]

You say lb aint a choice to chooce but on iron maiden spreading 3 LB. Is rather a sick aoe boost i think so i keep wondering why BW is better than LB?

Where do we actually say that? As far as I can see here: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/fire-mage-pve-dps-spec-builds-talents-glyphs#tier-5-talents

 

We say that in most situation you SHOULD take LB.. ^^

[Guest Sawboss]

I wonder you say kindling is bad and all and you have shown simc number but in simc you standing still dont have the mistakes of your team mates and i wonder why woult the mage who aprovved this guide use kindling himself also kuznam using it so i wonder is it good/bad in single target fights or aoe fight and is it good/bad with a certain % of crit / gear il you need to require

Just wondering as a lobely fire mage who investing and trying everything wen i can to keep playing fire and avoiding arcane :p

[Oltier 471]

I wonder you say kindling is bad and all and you have shown simc number but in simc you standing still dont have the mistakes of your team mates and i wonder why woult the mage who aprovved this guide use kindling himself also kuznam using it so i wonder is it good/bad in single target fights or aoe fight and is it good/bad with a certain % of crit / gear il you need to require

Just wondering as a lobely fire mage who investing and trying everything wen i can to keep playing fire and avoiding arcane

If the cooldown reduction from kindling lets you cast combustion earlier, and thus let you hit more targets with it, use kindling instead. (Example: tectus) 

 

There's probably a similar fight in BRF, but I am inactive in game currently, so I cannot bring an example from there.

[Guest TJ MAGE]

Can you add 2pc T17 double ignite to combust tip.

 

I am a noob mage and didn't realize until i watched rikh's basic fire video

[Guest sawbo]

im wondering why suddenly mastery above crit ? is it now that we have to go for mastery instead of crit and why woult askmrrobot still want me to enchant/gem crit ?

[Guest Bart]

Is there a breakpoint for crit and mastery?  I'm currently in the middle of the item level guides regarding strategy.  I'm currently at a 41% self-buffed crit rating with 23.55% mastery.  Now that mastery is preferred over crit, I'm wondering how much of each I should have and how those numbers balance out.  Also, with less crit does it change the mechanic / value of pyroblast?  Before I thought pyroblast was our bread and butter DPS spell when insta-cast.

How about level 90 talents...on boss encounters that last longer than 3 minutes and there's still a slight bit of movement, like in Gruul's, is Incanter's better than Rune of Power or does that small time out of Rune not matter?  Would mirror images still be a skill worth using?

[Oltier 471]

Can you add 2pc T17 double ignite to combust tip.

 

I am a noob mage and didn't realize until i watched rikh's basic fire video

It's a potential DPS loss. Double IB ignites is considerably lower damage than setting up for Heating Up! "trick" and getting a streak of Hot Streaks! (wow, this sounds so good :D)

 

im wondering why suddenly mastery above crit ? is it now that we have to go for mastery instead of crit and why woult askmrrobot still want me to enchant/gem crit ?

Mastery is better in multiple target encounters and there decent amount of those in BRF, whilst crit is better for single target, but there is still an argument going on about these among the theorycrafters. You cannot really be wrong if you chose to focus on one or the other.

AMR will suggest you to gem the way you set it up. AMR is a tool, not a guide.

 

Is there a breakpoint for crit and mastery?  I'm currently in the middle of the item level guides regarding strategy.  I'm currently at a 41% self-buffed crit rating with 23.55% mastery.  Now that mastery is preferred over crit, I'm wondering how much of each I should have and how those numbers balance out.  Also, with less crit does it change the mechanic / value of pyroblast?  Before I thought pyroblast was our bread and butter DPS spell when insta-cast.

How about level 90 talents...on boss encounters that last longer than 3 minutes and there's still a slight bit of movement, like in Gruul's, is Incanter's better than Rune of Power or does that small time out of Rune not matter?  Would mirror images still be a skill worth using?

There's no breakpoint. Get as much as you can. Your stat priority doesn't alter your rotation.

For Gruul, RoP is a great choice, there isn't too much movement, and you can use Ice Floes while moving (if you have to at all) to replace your rune just in case. MI is just bad for fire, don't take it if it's not necessary.

[Guest Crink]

Hello, just had a comment on the stat prioritization for fire mages.  It states that we should seek haste until 900, but I'm a gnome with the 1% haste buff.  Instead I think it should read seek haste until 10% bonus (most races 900, for gnomes 810 +1% haste bonus)

 

Thanks!

[Guest Sybre]

Hello, just had a comment on the stat prioritization for fire mages.  It states that we should seek haste until 900, but I'm a gnome with the 1% haste buff.  Instead I think it should read seek haste until 10% bonus (most races 900, for gnomes 810 +1% haste bonus)

 

Thanks!

There's no point. using stat numbers is universal, rather then percentage plus numbers.

[Guest Vlad]

From the Guide: "Apply Living Bomb and refresh it after it expires"

 

Is there a reason to apply LB after it expires instead of a few seconds before it expires? The explosion will happen anyways.

[Manariel 0]

somehow i can't figure out why dragonbreath is in single target rotation. Do i have to blink to the boss or am i missing something?

[Guest Twixels]

Why is it that dragon's breath is now in the rotation of a fire mage? Never used it before, even when it's glyphed in my single target rotation, aoe I can understand but not the dragon's breath.

[Guest Drathe]

"None of your major glyphs will be mandatory."

 

"Glyph of Dragon's Breath increases the damage of Dragon's Breath by 100% and is mandatory."

 

Right, so which is it?

[Oltier 471]

"None of your major glyphs will be mandatory."

 

"Glyph of Dragon's Breath increases the damage of Dragon's Breath by 100% and is mandatory."

 

Right, so which is it?

Since a July's patch, Dragon's Breath received a significant buff, making it worthy to be included in single target rotation. Thus, the glyph is indeed mandatory. The first sentence is probably from an earlier patch.

[Guest Bendy]

so i doubt anyone has read this in months, but why is boe trinket over DSI, as well as piston? simcraft is inaccurate on this information.

[Damien 1,514]

so i doubt anyone has read this in months, but why is boe trinket over DSI, as well as piston? simcraft is inaccurate on this information.

Why is there a problem with Sandman's Pouch being on top of the chart?