Holy Paladin 6.2

[Guest goshinki]

your bis makes no sense. first of all you have the all seeing eye ring listed as bis (even tho not acquirable as a paladin at all..tho some paladins (cough) are able to get it anyway) secondly , since 6.1 all "bis " trinkets, rings , cloaks and necks that drop from raid finder have been removed from the loot table for all healers due to blizzard forcing spirit down our throats via personal loot and brolls. on top of this, you are not able to broll for said gear at all anymore and are stuck with competing not only with warriors, dks and other pladins but every other class in the game if you want these items and they happen to drop the old fashion way - but wait, blizzard is talking about making healers and tanks  not even capable of doing this anymore - and forcing more bonus armour and spirit down our throats when we don't really need it.

 

face it, the days of customizing your character outside enchantments are basically over and this and any bis list has become next to impossible to shop for. 

[Guest Wesley Gunder]

your bis makes no sense. first of all you have the all seeing eye ring listed as bis (even tho not acquirable as a paladin at all..tho some paladins (cough) are able to get it anyway) secondly , since 6.1 all "bis " trinkets, rings , cloaks and necks that drop from raid finder have been removed from the loot table for all healers due to blizzard forcing spirit down our throats via personal loot and brolls. on top of this, you are not able to broll for said gear at all anymore and are stuck with competing not only with warriors, dks and other pladins but every other class in the game if you want these items and they happen to drop the old fashion way - but wait, blizzard is talking about making healers and tanks  not even capable of doing this anymore - and forcing more bonus armour and spirit down our throats when we don't really need it.

 

face it, the days of customizing your character outside enchantments are basically over and this and any bis list has become next to impossible to shop for. 

Well lets see most fights I am starved for Mana at least 1/2 way into the fight, oh and those lovely trinkets you think will help you, umm not so much since they really only work if you stop healing and start attacking. So Blizzard's choice to make spirit the only for healers is actually a good one. Last piece of info here look the amount of spirit trinkets is very low vs the casting trinkets.

[Guest Wesley Gunder]

It is updated, but note:

Yep there not updated so I still ask when will these be updated for 6.1 with the crafted gear changes and corrected ilvl patches that Blizzard applied.

(For example like all gear drops from brf normal are now 670 instead of 665 and crafted gear has 4 crafted stages now weapons and shields max ilvl at stage 4 is 675 and gear now has a max ilvl at stage 4 is 685 Trinkets, Neck,  rings, and Armor)

[Guest Arouse]

in stat priority you have int>crit>haste>multi, yet you say in gearing up/BIS  "When using the 4-Part Set Bonus, the best choice is for your hand item to be a non-set item" the gloves have haste/multistrike. ive always felt that the chest would be the least desireable since it was haste/mastery

[Guest PforPally]

Selfless Healer is by far not "not at all viable"...  It may be not at all viable with your personal playstyle, however it is REALLY easy to keep tossing out judgments on a boss or adds or any enemy.  Just one stack, increases your FoL by 35% and reduces its cast time and mana cost by 35% as well.  but it is very simple to stack this all the way to 3 stacks, essentially having a a mini Lay on Hands that can easily crit on a target for over 250k.  This can also of course transfer to your 2 Beacons, for 125k each, totaling a 500k heal in one instant cast (this is not including multistrikes, btw).  Not to mention, redundantly again, that you do not "need" to have 3 stacks of this for it to be effective and very useful.

 

It saves mana, its powerful, its instant or very close to instant cast, and the best part is that it can be cast at its full potential aproximately every 18 seconds.

 

I went over to the Resto Shaman post here on Icy Veins.  You guys put Ancestral Swiftness as, and I quote, "Ancestral Swiftness is also a good choice and a viable alternative to Echo of the Elements. It adds 5% to one of your best secondary statistics (Haste) and it gives you an instant cast single-target heal or Healing Rain."

 

I'll add to that last sentance though, that it gives you an instant cast every minute and a half.  It doesn't increase the healing done by that spell, it doesn't save mana for that spell, it can only be used every minute and a half.  Versus Selfless Healer that can be used every 18 seconds, making your spell instant, free, and beefed up like crazy???  I didn't even mention that Infusion of Light also adds to the effectiveness of Selfless Healer if you use it on your FoL, or you can combo up a fast Holy Light followed by an instant FoL.

 

No matter which way you slice it, if you can't find room to cast Judgment on a random enemy target while you heal.... you're just aren't doing something right, or you're just plain lazy.  Especially considering that Selfless Healer has the potential to snipe heal and save lives.  I've prevented so many deaths in raids, dungeons and PvP with a well timed LoH beefed up with three stacks of Selfless Healer.  And isn't that really what its all about as a healer at the end of the day?

 

I ask you this simple question; would you replace Lay on Hands with anything else?  How many times have you saved someone with LoH?  And yet, it puts Forberance on the target afterwards, it is a 5 minute CD... etc.. etc..  The honest answer is you wouldn't replace LoH for anything even remotely similar to Eternal Flame or Sacred Shield.

 

Selfless Healer destroys either of the other two choices in that tier, hands down.

[Guest stephane]

selfless healer !!!!  not good  

 

 6.2 trinket archimonde +88 or 101 % + 1/2/3 stack of SH >>> FOL is a lifeguard for all member in my raid.

 

but i think people doesnt like to judge but prefer cast EF  for a passiv heal ...  Sh is a active  & reactive  game play  ..

[Guest Sellys_WGC]

Count me in with the people that think "SH is not at all viable" is extremely misleading. The talent is quite useful, especially if you have a bunch of haste, the archimonde class trinket, and don't have a good version of Demonic Phylactery.

 

Being able to use Intuition's Gift, cast: HS - Judgement - FoL - XXX (where XXX can be LoD, Holy Prism, another flash of light, etc) without going OoM is pretty powerful healing especially on fights that have debuffs that absorb healing like Fel Lord and Tyrant where the supercharged FoLs won't overheal.

[Guest Seraphus]

This guide is out of date. To say that Selfless Healer is not viable at all is completely incorrect and dangerously misleading. In terms of raw HPS, SH is in fact the best talent in the tier (especially with the Demonic Phylactery and Libram of Vindication equipped.)

[Guest Demerzel]

This guide is out of date. To say that Selfless Healer is not viable at all is completely incorrect and dangerously misleading. In terms of raw HPS, SH is in fact the best talent in the tier (especially with the Demonic Phylactery and Libram of Vindication equipped.)

I start use SH  in pandaria and never have problem with hps and EF paladins, and now SH is HPS other pala killer.

[Shuttle 3]

Sorry about guide being out of date. I haven't actually played WoW since August and Selfless Healer wasn't used during Midwinter progression! I've let the Icy Vein guys know that I won't be continuing to review and update the guide as it's unfair to the readers of the guide. 

 

Hopefully someone steps up soon! :D