Marksmanship Hunter 6.2

[Vlad 411]

The MM guide currently includes Barrage in the single target rotation. There was a (brief) period where it wasn't included because it wasn't optimal, purely against a single target. As Orthios correctly says, even though against a single target Barrage wasn't worth using, it was still generally a good idea to take it on most fights because there are usually some periods where adds are still present.

[Guest Volsoc]

Just to clarify, because this has gotten a bit convoluted.

 

Barrage is nice to take because normally there might be adds on a boss, thus it is a recommended talent.  But against a pure single target boss fight, it should be left completely out of our rotation. 

 

Correct?

 

 

The MM guide currently includes Barrage in the single target rotation. There was a (brief) period where it wasn't included because it wasn't optimal, purely against a single target. As Orthios correctly says, even though against a single target Barrage wasn't worth using, it was still generally a good idea to take it on most fights because there are usually some periods where adds are still present.

 

[Niix 169]

Another example would be Tectus. Using Barrage at all on the first guy, is a DPS loss. However once he splits into two, using it becomes a gain again.

[Vlad 411]

Just to clarify, because this has gotten a bit convoluted.

 

Barrage is nice to take because normally there might be adds on a boss, thus it is a recommended talent.  But against a pure single target boss fight, it should be left completely out of our rotation. 

 

Correct?

 

 

Another example would be Tectus. Using Barrage at all on the first guy, is a DPS loss. However once he splits into two, using it becomes a gain again.

It was my understanding from Azortharion that Barrage is still worth using against a single target now. What I described in my earlier post, and what Niix says here should have applied to the brief period during which Barrage was not at all included in the single target rotation. I'll double check with azor and see.

[Niix 169]

It was my understanding from Azortharion that Barrage is still worth using against a single target now. What I described in my earlier post, and what Niix says here should have applied to the brief period during which Barrage was not at all included in the single target rotation. I'll double check with azor and see.

 

 

This is in my gear. It is ~50 DPS, it is a gain, but just not enough of one to stress out over.

[Guest Andreas]

I struggle really bad with my hunter. I'm currently at 645 ilvl and I can't seem to push over 20k. During rapid fire and when the boss is over 80% i try to cast aimed shot as much as possible and keep Murder of Crows up while using Chimaera shot on CD. I can't really see what I'm doing wrong. Currently using TotH, MoC, Barrage and Lone Wolf. Any tips or ideas?

[Guest Higenst]

Hey!

 

Im having trouble reaching maximum dps on my hunter ilvl 649. I am going TotH, MoC, Glaive Toss (barrage when there are adds) and Lone Wolf. I still cant push over 20k. I am always using MoC and CS on cooldown. When the boss is over 80% or during RF I use aimed shot as much as possible, but as soon as it falls of i sink to about 19k dps. Any tips or ideas what could cause this problem?

 

[Higenst 0]

Hey!

 

Im having some trouble performing in the dps meter. Im currently TotH, MoC, Glaive Toss (Barrage when there are adds involved), Lone Wolf. I cant seem to push over 21k with my ilvl (649). During RF I spam aimed shot with CS and keep MoC up. I try to never starve myself on focus and use as many aimed shots as possible during TotH. Is there something in the specc or can you possibly give me some tips or advise on how i can improve my dps?

[Orthios 271]

Hey!

 

Im having some trouble performing in the dps meter. Im currently TotH, MoC, Glaive Toss (Barrage when there are adds involved), Lone Wolf. I cant seem to push over 21k with my ilvl (649). During RF I spam aimed shot with CS and keep MoC up. I try to never starve myself on focus and use as many aimed shots as possible during TotH. Is there something in the specc or can you possibly give me some tips or advise on how i can improve my dps?

Can't tell you anything specific without logs, and if you do want specific help, make sure to post in the hunter section. Otherwise, make sure you are using CS as close to on cd as possible and AMoC on pull and on cd from there on.

[Guest Elvra]

I've been playing around with quite a few mixtures now while leveling (dungeon-leveling mostly), and have certainly found Steady Shots to be more difficult to milk for its worth than Thrill of the Hunt, especially if paired with Glaive Toss and Crows (also did this with Power Shot, which tends to be my best trash-buster, partly for the mass-interrupt, but not yet with Barrage - will try soon), but the dps, unless TotH procs go off just as you'd want them to, is pretty close.  Ideally (and very frequently -- does not seem to be a RPPM mechanic) procing, my top single-target dps on my lvl 95 hunter (not very well geared, but not badly either) was ~10k; without that it was right alongside Steady Shots at around 8.3-9.1k on the same fight, and I still have a lot of practice to go on managing Steady Shots.  Later stat balance at cap may change how that gap works, but for now it seems a decent comparison.  [And again, though the guide here recommends Barrage with Steady Shots, I have yet to test that, and look forward to doing so.]

 

Both also seem quite enjoyable in their own right; Steady Shots will have you feeling like you're trying hard to fit all your talent CDs into an adaptive yet constrictive rotation, but that can be a good thing for many, including myself.  Hunt feels like a more casual sort of fun, just as opportunistic, but without the constriction.  

[Guest Plôpp]

I used the misdirection macro throughout MOP. but i think you can add something to make it's solo capabilities insane.

it requires Glyph of Misdirection tho.

 

• #showtooltip Misdirection
• /cast [@mouseover,help,nodead][@focus,help,nodead][]Misdirection
• /cast [@mouseover,help,nodead][@focus,help,nodead][]Mend Pet

 

Just put your pet in focus whenever you are soloing and you can keep 100% uptime on mend pet and misdirection (mend pet does not have global CD)

and by using this macro every 6 sec (wich is the duration of MD) you can solo almost anything with no problems what so ever

 

[Guest Gibari]

Mend Pet IS on the global CD

[Guest Imrenegade]

hi, on the MM stats weight page you put multistrike as 1st secondary stat.. and then go on and explain its good for survival... well im here to look at what stats i need to focus on for my MM hunter.. not survival.

i kind of find it annoying. its already mentioned on the survival page that multi is 1st secondary stat anyway.. why "polute" the MM page with information regarding survival?

well i guess it leaves me with 1 question: after i get 43% crit, what should i go for? haste or multi?

thanks for the great work guys. keep going!

[Orthios 271]

hi, on the MM stats weight page you put multistrike as 1st secondary stat.. and then go on and explain its good for survival... well im here to look at what stats i need to focus on for my MM hunter.. not survival.

i kind of find it annoying. its already mentioned on the survival page that multi is 1st secondary stat anyway.. why "polute" the MM page with information regarding survival?

well i guess it leaves me with 1 question: after i get 43% crit, what should i go for? haste or multi?

thanks for the great work guys. keep going!

The guide states that if you switch from MM to SV, then prioritizing MS over Crit is better since MS is very powerful for SV:

 

This priority assumes that you will often be switching to Survival for certain fights, a spec for which Multistrike is very good. If you never switch to Survival (or if you want to go all out maximising your Marksmanship DPS), then you can prioritise Critical Strike to 43% above any other secondary stat.

 

At any rate, the stat weights for MM are as follows, with MS >= Crit anyways:

Marksmanship:

MainHandDps               2.40

Agility                   1.00

AttackPower               0.90

Multistrike               0.52

CriticalStrike            0.51

Versatility               0.48

Mastery                   0.41

Haste                     0.39

This is taken from Nnx's Hunter Guide in the Hunter sub-forum, and are essentially the same as the one's in Azor's Hunter Guide.

[Azortharion 60]

You go for Multistrike period.

On a similar note, guide updates coming for all specs.

[Guest harl]

Why are there two entries for critical strike?

How is versatility better than mastery?

[Orthios 271]

Why are there two entries for critical strike?

How is versatility better than mastery?

Because there is a soft cap for crit at 53% (this does need to be updated) where Aimed Shot will always crit during Careful Aim (>80% or Rapid Fire).  Although, there is no reason to not continue to stack crit post 53% that I know of anyways.  Regarding Mastery vs Vers, MM's mastery is only useful while it is up, which isn't going to be 100%, and neither does it scale as fast as vers (it takes more mastery rating to get 1% than it does vers).

[Guest Hurtgar]

After the recent buff to the MM mastery, it sims to me as the 2nd best secondary stat (after crit). Ofc you need to take into account the nature of the encounters and the degree of player movement that is required. Maybe make 2 sets of stats, 1st for stationery/light movement encounters where players can keep the buff all the time (Gruul, Beastlord...) and 2nd for those with heavy movement (The Germans)...?

[Guest Atharun]

I have noticed in BRF, that mastery seems to be very strong. I am able to keep sniper training up the majority of the time even on fights with movement such as Hans/Franz, Blast Furnace, etc.. and it when I had gemmed for crit I lost dps but gemming for mastery was an overall dps increase. I know sims say it is not but it seems in real world encounter mastery is pretty damn good IMO.

[Azortharion 60]

To be completely frank, personal opinions do not have a real place in the world of guidewriting and theorycraft.

 

Even with 100% Sniper Training uptime, Crit and Multistrike best Mastery by a significant amount. The increase you experienced has been a product of RNG or varying success at executing the fight and spec across the couple of weeks you did it and your deduction is a fault of an extremely low sample size.

 

The guide's priority and the GDocs guides' weight assumes a 90% uptime on Sniper Training. This is probably a bit low, but I'd much rather shoot a bit low than a bit high when considering the average player.

[Guest Jorvalt]

Why isn't Glyph of No Escape even listed in the major glyphs section? It doubles your critical strike chance on targets affected by ice trap. That seems like a pretty major DPS increase to me.

[Azortharion 60]

The tooltip pretty clearly says Freezing Trap and not Ice Trap, and Freezing Trap only works on a few mobs. That's if you can even get damage into them before one million raider dots and abilities hit it. ;p

[Guest Arran]

I think it should be noted that if you choose NOT to use Lone Wolf, then Steady Focus becomes a great deal more powerful with Focusing Shot

[Orthios 271]

I think it should be noted that if you choose NOT to use Lone Wolf, then Steady Focus becomes a great deal more powerful with Focusing Shot

The thing is, while that may be true, you should never not take Lone Wolf.

[Guest Atharun]

Quick question, I have noticed that when I equip my 670 bow from Brack, the dmg of all my abilities goes up (based on the tool tip and in game numbers), yet I have the 675 crafted crit/ms gun. is the 2.9 speed from the gun gimping the dmg because of the faster speed?