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Nova/Bomb, TV/Prism: Relearning during a raid week

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Hey, new poster, longtime reader.

 

I was wondering about the DPS comparison for extended (~6-8 minutes) fights using Thermal Void vs. Prism. If I am maintaining Icy Veins for, at minimum, an additional 20s (30% uptime in a 7 minute fight), at the cost of, at most, two blind Ice Lances, would the overall damage change vs. Prism be a loss significant enough to change my rotation? I'll probably be at about 640 ilvl by Tuesday.

 

Or, is the above all moot, as I should simply learn to use Prism/FB in my rotation so I can do some stupid burst (re: FO/FB during Self-Reflection) during AoE phases without having two noticeably different rotations?

 

If it helps, I mainly adhered to the stat guide--- Frostbolt cast time is about 1.9; multistrike will be 30% or so by the time I zone into Highmaul on the 2nd.

 

I've been torn on these questions for awhile, as changing to Prism/Bomb is a veryyy different rotation, and seems unforgiving to the extent of Combustion, that ability in the spec we can't play.

 

Thank you in advance for any insights, opinions, and/or suggestions.

 

-Eve

Reposted from frost guide thread. This is largely now a question of how far apart are builds with and without FB? To master a FB/Prism rotation would take awhile, and I would likely have to revert to IN at least the following week if I wasn't ready, largely nullifying a majority of the progress I had made. Hours on dummies and such isn't quite doing enough to make me comfortable enough to run the spec for progression.

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With the current gear (635ish) you shouldn't see a huge different. I'd reckon around 1%

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I've personally switched across to FB. I blame Berlinia for this, talking me into viable FB. Both talents are equally viable at this stage though. As long as you're happy using PC, and how it works in with an IN rotation, then you'll be fine :)

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Good thing I convinced you :P
Even though they are roughly equal now, FB scales better with Gear/2set so learning it now always comes handy!

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Even though they are roughly equal now, FB scales better with Gear/2set so learning it now always comes handy!

 

It's definitely better for big bosses and massive packs, for the 3-6 add packs, I still prefer Ice Nova. 

 

The main benefit I've found for FB is that it's on demand. I can cast it whenever I want and proc it. I went back to IN recently and found myself twiddling my thumbs waiting for charges haha

 

TV I'm still not convinced on though. Big purple crystal too OP.

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It's definitely better for big bosses and massive packs, for the 3-6 add packs, I still prefer Ice Nova. 

 

The main benefit I've found for FB is that it's on demand. I can cast it whenever I want and proc it. I went back to IN recently and found myself twiddling my thumbs waiting for charges haha

 

TV I'm still not convinced on though. Big purple crystal too OP.

 

I agree about TV...I like being able to drop the crystal while frost orb is out for so much serious aoe. Of course that's about the time the tank moves the boss :(

 

IN I like for trash mobs usually. I can take a good chunk of their health in only a few shots, but I do have the issue of waiting for charges to come back up and twiddling my thumbs in the meantime.

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I agree about TV...I like being able to drop the crystal while frost orb is out for so much serious aoe. Of course that's about the time the tank moves the boss sad.png

 

IN I like for trash mobs usually. I can take a good chunk of their health in only a few shots, but I do have the issue of waiting for charges to come back up and twiddling my thumbs in the meantime.

 

Placing the crystal is as much about when you drop it as to where you drop it. Knowing the fight is the biggest advantage you can have, knowing when the tank has the time to keep the boss sitting on top of your crystal.

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