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Low Dps - need help

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I did some HC Highmaul last night and i feel im not performing well enough so i came to ask for help.

 

Armory http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/ravencrest/Ataladi/advanced

Talents http://www.wowhead.com/talent#zhxBAc-wVzokV

Warcraftlogs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BbzhYVjPgrc82Gkf#fight=5&type=damage-done

Video (fight starts at 19:55) http://www.twitch.tv/privatemanos/b/596799063

 

Im sure i didnt have a "perfect" rotation but that shouldnt cost me 2k-4k dps.Simulations say that i should be doing 21k dps,plus the other hunters in my group do 21k dps with simmilar gear. (i did 17,3k dps @ Kargath Bladefist, around 15k @ The Butcher)

 

I'm playing as MM hunter for 10 years , i was always performing amazingly and if i had a problem i always found the solution by myself. Now i dont know whats wrong so i came to ask for help. My best bet is that my mediocre rotation in combination with my mediocre secondary stats are the cause of the problem.

 

I have to mention that  with my old gear (BiS Heroic dungeon 635ilvl gear) I was doing 20k dps in  LFR Molten core without flask/pots.

World of Logs : http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-jnct8bgjk7igkd8n/analyze/dd/source/?s=27&e=111

 

Thanks for your time and any help/advice you can provide.

 

 

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Watching the video, you immediately made a mistake of not casting Chimaera at the start of the fight. Chimaera is cast on cooldown, always. Murder of Crows and Kill shot have roughly the same priority as Chimaera. 

 

Rapid Fire also should be used on cooldown, even when target is >80% HP and you have Heroism up. 

 

Also note that simulationcraft shows perfect DPS, when the rotation is made without any mistakes, on a completely stationary fight. No human can play that well, so it's fine to be 1-2k below what simcraft can do.

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Hmm yeah, for some reason i missed the part on the guide that includes Chimera even above 80% target health.

 

Im gonna try the rapid fire thing too. I guess my head was stuck to Cata/MoP where Rapid+hero made you casting below GCD and that was some kind of a waste.

 

I will post the results here after my next raid on wednesday. Lets hope there will be one after miss-performing that bad.

Now that i see it from the correct perspective my rotation was awfull.

 

About the simulation(simulationcraft) you can change the fight style at options and have a more precise result.

 

Thanks for the fast reply you are my hero.

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Looking at your Kargath kill from the logs:
 

  • You used AMoC 5 times in a 5:17 fight, means you missed one possible cast, not a massive deal, but every little bit counts
     
  • You cast CS 22 times, but based on your fight length, you should have been able to cast it ~35 times.  This is likely a cause of your DPS loss, ~13 Chimera Shots worth of DPS is massive.
     
  • You used GT 15 times out of a possible 21, which is probably fine if you weren't using it when the boss was above 80% health
     
  • Your Sniper Training uptime is 73.65%, which is low.  Assuming your mastery is 7%-8%, as mine is, you are losing 7%-8% of your damage every time it falls off.  Over the course of the fight, this probably didn't account for more than 1%-2% DPS loss, but every little bit adds up
     
  • Your Kill Shot casts were 16.  Not knowing how long Kargath was below 35%, I cant tell if this is fine or not, but on a 5:17 fight, I would guess he was below 35% for at least 1:45. which gives you a possible of 20 Kill Shots.  Might be another area to add more DPS, but 16/20 isnt bad
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EDIT:

  • You also only used Rapid Fire 3 times, out of a possible 6.  Another area that probably hurt your DPS.

 

Rapid Fire is a 2 min cd, so 3 uses is perfect (Pull, 2 min, 4 min).  However, you did delay your first rapid fire, which should not be done.

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Rapid Fire is a 2 min cd, so 3 uses is perfect (Pull, 2 min, 4 min).  However, you did delay your first rapid fire, which should not be done.

 

My mistake, removed that piece of erroneous information.  Not sure why I processed Rapid Fire as having a 1 min CD

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Watching the video, you immediately made a mistake of not casting Chimaera at the start of the fight. Chimaera is cast on cooldown, always. Murder of Crows and Kill shot have roughly the same priority as Chimaera. 

 

Chimaera > Kill > Crows.

In that order.

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Chimaera > Kill > Crows.

In that order.

Like I posted in the other thread, casting Crows before Chimaera and Kill Shot gave my simcraft a slight DPS boost, but the difference is negligible.

 

Importantly, simcraft uses Crows only outside of careful aim, which is a DPS loss, which is why I wrote "roughly the same priority". Whichever to cast first - mileage may vary, the important part is to cast Crows even inside careful aim. 

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Like I posted in the other thread, casting Crows before Chimaera and Kill Shot gave my simcraft a slight DPS boost, but the difference is negligible.

 

Importantly, simcraft uses Crows only outside of careful aim, which is a DPS loss, which is why I wrote "roughly the same priority". Whichever to cast first - mileage may vary, the important part is to cast Crows even inside careful aim. 

 

Crows has a longer cooldown, delaying it will have less of an effect on DPS than delaying our main shot by 1 global. The DPS increase in simc is interesting though. Not sure why.

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Crows has a longer cooldown, delaying it will have less of an effect on DPS than delaying our main shot by 1 global. The DPS increase in simc is interesting though. Not sure why.

It's probably because the fight duration in simcraft varies by 20% by default, which probably means that additional crows cast can be made in certain conditions, which leads to increase of the average DPS.

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It's probably because the fight duration in simcraft varies by 20% by default, which probably means that additional crows cast can be made in certain conditions, which leads to increase of the average DPS.

 

Yeah that's likely.

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I went ahead and fucked with it myself. This was my result.

 

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Margin of error is about 29 DPS.

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I went ahead and fucked with it myself. This was my result.

 

ygaqYk7.png

 

Margin of error is about 29 DPS.

Well, seems "roughly the same priority" still applies tongue.png

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I went ahead and fucked with it myself. This was my result.

 

ygaqYk7.png

 

Margin of error is about 29 DPS.

 

How long do you think Crows needs to be able to last for it to be worth more than KS?  Reason I ask is what I call "AMoC Sniping".  Basically, AMoC comes off CD right as an add is getting low on health.  Using AMoC on that add could end up being a DPS gain if you can have the add die within the 15-sec AMoC window, thus resetting its CD.  But, at the same time, if it only gets to tick 2-3 times, is it really worth the GCD and Focus?

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How long do you think Crows needs to be able to last for it to be worth more than KS?  Reason I ask is what I call "AMoC Sniping".  Basically, AMoC comes off CD right as an add is getting low on health.  Using AMoC on that add could end up being a DPS gain if you can have the add die within the 15-sec AMoC window, thus resetting its CD.  But, at the same time, if it only gets to tick 2-3 times, is it really worth the GCD and Focus?

 

Honestly, as close to 15 seconds as possible. 10+ I would say is what you should aim for.

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Honestly, as close to 15 seconds as possible. 10+ I would say is what you should aim for.

 

Cool, what I figured, there are quite a few opportunities to take advantage of "AMoC sniping" with that threshold (Kargath stands, Brackenspore adds, Tectus motes, e.g.).  Might be something worht menitoining in the Tier 17 discussion.  More AMoC uptime is always a good thing :)

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Yeah, it'll change as the tier progresses, adds dying faster and faster every day.

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Yeah, it'll change as the tier progresses, adds dying faster and faster every day.

 

With the DPS our guild has had to PuG, I am happy when the adds die at all :)

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With the DPS our guild has had to PuG, I am happy when the adds die at all smile.png

True that.

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Just redid everything. Used a different method of simming.

 

Here was my results:

 

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Just redid everything. Used a different method of simming.

 

Here was my results:

 

vQP7raE.png

HJ0yc9u.png

fUQ7Xwj.png

bLmk6Qs.png

QtH2wWr.png

 

In other words, < 0.5% difference no matter which order you execute those three abilities in

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In other words, < 0.5% difference no matter which order you execute those three abilities in

 

Changing this

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Do Chimaera over all at all times.

 

If you have to Steady Shot to cast Crows, and you can avoid it by doing Kill Shot while your passive focus regen puts you above 30.

 

If you have the focus to cast Crows. Do it over Kill Shot.

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