Moira, on 02 November 2012 - 05:18 AM, said:
A month late, but meh, this post is still near the top of this forum.
It's because Icy Veins is wrong, or the information is outdated. Stat priorities are: Spirit > Int > Mastery > Haste > Crit. At some point your swap Haste and Mastery, but that point isn't until you're in heroic raid gear. Top world holy paladins are hitting 13k spirit and sitting on ~2.6k haste.
It's bugging me because IV is still passing out misinformation, making everyone's LFR that much more painful. The fact that Vlad still has people using Ember Primal Diamond is just absurd.
Just to let you know, I am aware of the issue and have been for a while (I admitted as much in the Holy Paladin comments thread). We've been truly swamped with things like the new raid guides and so on and haven't been able to get to this as quickly as we would have liked. I updated the guide to recommend Spirit > Haste > Mastery, with the Revitalizing Meta and assorted gems yesterday, but we haven't had the chance to get the change live yet (see above about being swamped). I do honestly believe that Haste trumps Mastery, so I went with that, even though the two stats are much closer now than they were before in Cataclysm.
That said, I think you're overreacting a tiny bit about the repercussions of this. The difference that a shift in stat priorities makes, especially for a healer who doesn't have Hit or Expertise caps to reach, is very small in practice. Ironically, even though it's by far the most heavily researched and contentious point for all classes/specs, it's the one with the lowest incidence on actual performance (spell usage is infinitely more important, and if you sneeze once during the fight and miss two global cooldowns, you've already off-set any extra bonus you got from that stat priority).
Thank you nonetheless.
Kalkii, on 02 November 2012 - 05:41 AM, said:
I know both Mastery stacked and Haste stacked Holy Pallys who are doing extremely well this expansion, and I do think it's a play style choice with no clear right or wrong, despite what people are suggesting here.
I personally stacked Spirit and Mastery for the time being, what with the mana issues that seem to be plaguing all healers in pre-raid gear. As I feel more comfy with my mana management and requirements, I'll peel some Spirit out into Intellect and have a look at whether I want to go Haste instead of Mastery. I good friend of mine did Spirit and Haste, and we're constantly trying to outdo each other, sometimes I "win", sometimes she does. I don't think either of us are wrong, but we're doing our best to prove one side or the other! Spirit, Spirit, Spirit seems to be the most important thing in the early stages, then you can choose whether you like to flail like a lunatic (haste) or absorb/nuke heal (Mastery). Both are viable in my opinion, as is Ember Primal Diamond....I'm not sure where the vitriol towards Vlad is coming from for suggesting that...
Thank you for your post, too
As I answered above, I feel that Haste and Mastery are very well balanced right now and they are, as you said, a play style choice. I go to some lengths in the updated stats page (which is yet to be up) to point out their relative equality, but do suggest Haste in the end.
Regarding the Ember Primal Diamond, I am afraid that Moira is right, and Revitalizing is the better choice in the world where Spirit is king (though the vitriol is somewhat uncalled for