Uliana Seven-Sided Strike Monk

[Valks 2,373]

On 4/10/2017 at 1:49 AM, Guest Wrong wrong wrong... said:

First off Cyclone Strike is 100% wasted. You DO NOT need it if you play correctly. If you're using spirit and time to cyclone mobs in, you're doing it wrong. The whole goal of Uliana monk is to dart around the map looking for density. You apply EP, spread with SSS and move on finding the next pack, working your way between large packs (unless you one shot them, common at low lvl 20-60GR). Instead try Mantra of Salvation with Agility rune. The passive with rune is alone worth 11 million toughness.

That's all well and good, but you waste even more time trying to stack without it. There's no reason not to take it, since you don't need to constantly spend Spirit to deal damage, like in a LTK build or so.

On 4/10/2017 at 1:49 AM, Guest Wrong wrong wrong... said:

Second the Fist of Az'Turassq is not first priority, it is second. Lion Claw's 7 extra SSS hits means 7 extra explosions. Which is more of an upgrade from barebones than 3x damage. 

This isn't true. Fist gives more damage total with its bonus. Not only does it provide a greater damage buff, it also buffs explosions that detonate without you hitting them on fringe mobs.

On 4/10/2017 at 1:49 AM, Guest Wrong wrong wrong... said:

Third, the jewelry should be Focus/Restraint, always. Because you will always have 100% increase damage if you are playing correctly, and Hellfire Amulet with a toughness passive is preferred, rolled with Cold %, CHD, CHC. 

The reason why it was originally added to the guide to use TCR + Unity is because of the elite damage % on unity and the survivability bonus. If you can survive fine and can kill rift guardians easily, then use F/R. It's unlikely that you can with this build, though. 

I know this is a late reply, but I'm clarifying things for anyone that might be reading.

[Valks 2,373]

On 4/15/2017 at 0:19 AM, Kurnasos said:

what if i use thye ring of royal grandeur on the cube, instead of unity, use conventions of the elements and use Lefebvre's Soliloquy instead of the Ulianas shoulder..... so i can use both the protection from this shoulder and the burst from the Madstone armor...... would it not be better? unity is usefull if other friends are using it or your companion bot.... 

 

Unity is definitely better. It gives a bonus damage to elites, such as RGs, and is a huge defensive bonus. This build was never really intended for play with groups. There are far better builds.

[Valks 2,373]

On 4/22/2017 at 0:13 PM, Aragorne said:

Hi Deadset.. thank you for this build, i've set up my monk following the written instructions literally.. I have several questions:

1. My spirit is being depleted so fast so very often i'm without spirit.. Any suggestions?

You are likely just spamming abilities too often and not allowing yourself time to regen spirit. Use cyclone as required, do not just spam it. 

On 4/22/2017 at 0:13 PM, Aragorne said:

2. Above GR60 i feel so squishy..I'm doing good damage, but I'm duying at least 3-4 times per greater rift... I have only 2 emeralds in gear, and rest are all diamonds... How can I improve survaivability?

In the future, a link to your character helps with things like this. If you encounter a similar problem in the present, just leave an armory link. Sorry I couldn't help at the time!

[Agandaur 0]

I have 2 questions, any help is appreciated. 1: Is it true that the U2 application applies an un-runed version of EP? I'd never heard this before and doesn't really make any sense. 2: if you aren't concerned with doing all the snapshotting junk, is mythic rhythm even worth taking? What would be a viable replacement if not?

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On 8/25/2017 at 8:27 AM, Agandaur said:

1: Is it true that the U2 application applies an un-runed version of EP? I'd never heard this before and doesn't really make any sense.

If you haven't heard this before, how did you come up with that information? Applying EP with U2 bonus works as with any other skill acquired through gear, this means as long as you have that skill on you skillbar it is used with the rune you have selected for that skill. EP with no rune will be applied only in two cases: when you have no EP on your skillbar or you have selected no rune for the EP you have on your skillbar.

On 8/25/2017 at 8:27 AM, Agandaur said:

2: if you aren't concerned with doing all the snapshotting junk, is mythic rhythm even worth taking? What would be a viable replacement if not?

You should be concerned with doing all the snapshotting junk as it maximizes your damage output. If you are looking for alternatives you might want to try the Determination passive.


Also many people consider this a bug, so as a sidenote, not related with the above post, I just wanted to add that U2 and Mythic Rhythm at the moment work as intended by Blizzard, which means "Mythic Rhythm should only apply to Spirit Spenders that are cast manually, not by items or set bonuses." The original blue post that said this was removed from the official forums, so maybe there is some hope for it to change at some point, but at the moment U2 with Mythic Rhythm works as follows:
1. Mythic Rhythm is not consumed by Exploding Palms cast by the Uliana's 2-piece bonus (this was considered a bug and fixed long time ago).

2. Since Blizzard considers it fun mechanic you still have to apply 1 EP manually to benefit from Mythic Rhythm, as the ones applied through U2 set bonus won't trigger that particular passive.

In other words monk is still a class with most clunky mechanics in this game and it looks this won't change quickly. Having to apply EP manually kills the purpose of U2 bonus and hurts entire set as that bonus is simply useless (in contrary to barb's WotW2 bonus where you drop Rend at your own decision, not because of clunky mechanics).

[Guest Unisexbrian]

First, thanks for the guide. A question: Would it be better with a fist of Az't with 488% exploding palm dmg but mediocre stats and dmg, or an ancient legendary with 280% exploding palm dmg and good dmg?  Thanks. 

[Valks 2,373]

On 10/28/2017 at 3:00 PM, Guest Unisexbrian said:

First, thanks for the guide. A question: Would it be better with a fist of Az't with 488% exploding palm dmg but mediocre stats and dmg, or an ancient legendary with 280% exploding palm dmg and good dmg?  Thanks. 

Can you screenshot both? Would need to see other stats, how bad the damage is on the new one etc.

[Guest Unisexbrian]

On 10/31/2017 at 9:49 PM, Blainie said:

Can you screenshot both? Would need to see other stats, how bad the damage is on the new one etc.

Thanks, here goes. I came to conclusion that the best was the crappy one with the high exploding dmg. Which is sad because I'd like to have to good one with that high EP dmg. Sniff. 

[albabe 33]

Hey Deadset/Blainie.  Just curious here - shouldn't the "Secondary:  Exploding Palm's on-death explosion damage is increased by %500," be towards the top of this list?

The Fist of Az'Turrasq

Weapon Damage Socket (preferably from  Ramaladni's Gift) Dexterity Cooldown Reduction Area Damage Vitality

Edited November 6, 2017 by albabe

[positiv2 950]

7 hours ago, albabe said:

Hey Deadset/Blainie.  Just curious here - shouldn't the "Secondary:  Exploding Palm's on-death explosion damage is increased by %500," be towards the top of this list?

If a secondary is not listed, which is the case for majority of builds, your priority should be getting high rolls on the listed stats.

[albabe 33]

2 hours ago, positiv2 said:

If a secondary is not listed, which is the case for majority of builds, your priority should be getting high rolls on the listed stats.

Sorry, I can be a little (lot) dense sometimes - I just want to be clear here - so, on a The Fist of Az'Turrasq, Weapon Damage, Socket (preferably from  Ramaladni's Gift), Dexterity, Cooldown Reduction, Area Damage and  Vitality are more important than the difference between Exploding Palm's on-death explosion damage is increased by %400 or %500?  The %100 difference is not that important?

 

[Guest guest]

10 hours ago, albabe said:

Sorry, I can be a little (lot) dense sometimes - I just want to be clear here - so, on a The Fist of Az'Turrasq, Weapon Damage, Socket (preferably from  Ramaladni's Gift), Dexterity, Cooldown Reduction, Area Damage and  Vitality are more important than the difference between Exploding Palm's on-death explosion damage is increased by %400 or %500?  The %100 difference is not that important?

 

Of course it is important, but it is a stat that's always present on the item and you cannot remove it in any way nor change its values through the mystic, legendary affixes are never on the list. Rule of common sense applies here: go for the highest values of the main stats and as close to 500% as possible. It is not worth to change the fist with 450% for a one with 455% if it has lower weapon damage and lacks cdr, thus fist with 400% can be better than a one with 500% and horrible rolls on the main stats.

Usually the gear page has bis gear on it. For starters go with standard stats and cdr, get gear with at least first 3 stats from the stat priority for each piece of gear. Then look for more optimal gear that won't be a step back.

[GMcDowellJr 0]

Do Spirt Gaurds proc with Epiphany and other generators, or just by a manual application through Way of Hundred Fists?

[Guest guest]

14 hours ago, GMcDowellJr said:

Do Spirt Gaurds proc with Epiphany and other generators, or just by a manual application through Way of Hundred Fists?

Spirit Guards are proced by spirit generators, which are these attacks. Passive spirit regeneration, which is increased by Epiphany, doesn't trigger the proc.

[albabe 33]

On 11/7/2017 at 2:42 AM, Guest guest said:

Of course it is important, but it is a stat that's always present on the item and you cannot remove it in any way nor change its values through the mystic, legendary affixes are never on the list.

I don't see why not being able to "Change" those stats has anything to do with my question.

"legendary affixes are never on the list?"  Aren't my Examples below, "legendary affixes?"

On 11/7/2017 at 2:42 AM, Guest guest said:

Rule of common sense applies here: go for the highest values of the main stats and as close to 500% as possible. It is not worth to change the fist with 450% for a one with 455% if it has lower weapon damage and lacks cdr, thus fist with 400% can be better than a one with 500% and horrible rolls on the main stats.

Usually the gear page has bis gear on it. For starters go with standard stats and cdr, get gear with at least first 3 stats from the stat priority for each piece of gear. Then look for more optimal gear that won't be a step back.

Yea, I think I get all that, and thanx, but I'm usually not too bad with that whole "Common Sense" conundrum, since I work as Professional Writer, and also for couple of Think Tanks..

Maybe I'm being dense but, I'm talking about a Damage Hierarchy here.  What I'm curious about is "Where on the List" does the "Secondary:  Exploding Palm's on-death explosion damage is increased by %500," sit in terms of killing monsters.

The Fist of Az'Turrasq

Weapon Damage Socket (preferably from  Ramaladni's Gift) Dexterity Cooldown Reduction Area Damage Vitality

Is the Weapon Damage more important than the extra 100% of the Exploding Palm's on-death explosion damage?  Is a Higher Dex more Important than the +100%?

For instance:  On the SWK LTK Monk, the legendary affix is the Second most important stat to get.

Feet

Rivera Dancers

Dexterity  Lashing Tail KickDamage Vitality Secondary Resistance (Physical preferred) Armor

Or on the Yang's Multishot Build:

Dead Man's Legacy

Dexterity Critical Hit Chance Max Discipline (Secondary stat)  Multishot % Cooldown Reduction

 

 

[Guest guest]

1 hour ago, albabe said:

I don't see why not being able to "Change" those stats has anything to do with my question

If according to bis boots for particular build you should have main stat, vit and all res, and you receive boots with main stat, movement speed and all res then it should be clear to you that you should reroll movement speed into vit. Legendary properties cannot be changed, so they are not put on the list, you go for the highest possible. Use your common sense and don't sacrifice too much of main stats to get little boost from legendary property.

2 hours ago, albabe said:

Maybe I'm being dense but, I'm talking about a Damage Hierarchy here.  What I'm curious about is "Where on the List" does the "Secondary:  Exploding Palm's on-death explosion damage is increased by %500," sit in terms of killing monsters.

It doesn't. You get it by default with the item, so focus on main stats and never switch for lower legendary property, until the difference between legendary property on two items is negligible and main stats boost your dps output.

2 hours ago, albabe said:

"legendary affixes are never on the list?"  Aren't my Examples below, "legendary affixes?"

For instance:  On the SWK LTK Monk, the legendary affix is the Second most important stat to get.

Feet

Rivera Dancers

Dexterity  Lashing Tail KickDamage Vitality Secondary Resistance (Physical preferred) Armor

Or on the Yang's Multishot Build:

Dead Man's Legacy

Dexterity Critical Hit Chance Max Discipline (Secondary stat)  Multishot % Cooldown Reduction

This regards main stats not legendary affixes, i.e. for those Rivera Dancers you second priority should be +lashing tail damage (which is 10% - 15%) and for that Dead Man's Legacy your 4th priority should be increased multishot damage (which also can be 10% - 15%). This is not related with the legendary properties of those items.

 

2 hours ago, albabe said:

thanx, but I'm usually not too bad with that whole "Common Sense" conundrum, since I work as Professional Writer, and also for couple of Think Tanks..

I loled at this one xD I have no idea how does it relate to anything in this topic but I don't believe you anyways. If you still don't get something just ask, no one will mock you for asking questions. There is no need to explain yourself because you have doubts about stat prioritization.

[positiv2 950]

1 hour ago, Guest guest said:

Legendary properties cannot be changed, so they are not put on the list,

Yeah, that's the reason they are not put on the list if I understood Deadset's explanation correctly.

On 7. 11. 2017 at 1:17 AM, albabe said:

Sorry, I can be a little (lot) dense sometimes - I just want to be clear here - so, on a The Fist of Az'Turrasq, Weapon Damage, Socket (preferably from  Ramaladni's Gift), Dexterity, Cooldown Reduction, Area Damage and  Vitality are more important than the difference between Exploding Palm's on-death explosion damage is increased by %400 or %500?  The %100 difference is not that important?

 

Sorry, my bad. I should have worded it differently - your priority should not be permanently farming the item until you get a 500%, but rather to get decent rolls from Mystic. The affix is important, but so is getting weapon damage, dex and CDR rolls. Also sorry for the late reply.

[albabe 33]

On 11/8/2017 at 12:42 PM, Guest guest said:

I loled at this one xD I have no idea how does it relate to anything in this topic but I don't believe you anyways

You don't believe me about what?

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If you still don't get something just ask, no one will mock you for asking questions.

That's somewhat strangely obtuse - Didn't you just "mock" me for asking questions?  If not, then what is your "Loled" directed at, Mr Anonymous?

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There is no need to explain yourself because you have doubts about stat prioritization.

How do I do that without "explaining myself?'

Have fun being a pompous condescending turd.  It suits ya.

Edited November 12, 2017 by albabe

[albabe 33]

On 11/8/2017 at 1:43 PM, positiv2 said:

Yeah, that's the reason they are not put on the list if I understood Deadset's explanation correctly.

Sorry, my bad. I should have worded it differently - your priority should not be permanently farming the item until you get a 500%, but rather to get decent rolls from Mystic. The affix is important, but so is getting weapon damage, dex and CDR rolls. Also sorry for the late reply.

I appreciate your feedback, positiv2, but it seems I'm not getting anywhere here.  I'll try one more time and then leave you guys alone:  

So even though the stats are not on the list, they still must fall in that hierarchy somewhere in terms of how important they are in terms or how much damage they do depending of what percentage you get.

As an example, on THE FIST OF AZ'TURRASFQ,, what is more important:  Weapon Damage, Dexterity, Cooldown Reduction, Area Damage, Vitality, or the 100% difference between Exploding Palm's on-death explosion damage is increased by 400 to 500%?  In other words, with Two almost Identical Items, what difference would that 100% damage swing do?  Would the Item with the 500% be very different than the one with 400%, and is getting a 500% more important than a higher Weapon Damage or, Dex or...?

 

[Guest guest]

3 hours ago, albabe said:

You don't believe me about what?

I don't believe you are a member of few think tanks and yet you fail to understand such an trivial concept as gearing up your character, even though you received an answer few times already.
Then, even though you got your answer few times already you keep repeating the same question. What different result do you expect than receiving the same answer again and again?

Legendary affixes are at the end of the list of priorities. Legendary affixes on their own give you shit, and they are always there on the item. Damage comes from your mainstats and that is why you have to focus on your mainstats. In case of uliana build perfect values of legendary affixes give you nothing if you lack cooldown reduction, life regen and good rolls on your resistances. If you have problem with your defenses/damage output it certainly doesn't come from low rolls on legendary affixes.
 

2 hours ago, albabe said:

As an example, on THE FIST OF AZ'TURRASFQ,, what is more important:  Weapon Damage, Dexterity, Cooldown Reduction, Area Damage, Vitality, or the 100% difference between Exploding Palm's on-death explosion damage is increased by 400 to 500%?  In other words, with Two almost Identical Items, what difference would that 100% damage swing do?  Would the Item with the 500% be very different than the one with 400%, and is getting a 500% more important than a higher Weapon Damage or, Dex or...?

The difference would be negligible and you will profit more from better secondary stats than from higher legendary affix value.
 

3 hours ago, albabe said:

Have fun being a pompous condescending turd.  It suits ya.

Oh, how mature :)

[positiv2 950]

4 hours ago, albabe said:

As an example, on THE FIST OF AZ'TURRASFQ,, what is more important:  Weapon Damage, Dexterity, Cooldown Reduction, Area Damage, Vitality, or the 100% difference between Exploding Palm's on-death explosion damage is increased by 400 to 500%?  In other words, with Two almost Identical Items, what difference would that 100% damage swing do?  Would the Item with the 500% be very different than the one with 400%, and is getting a 500% more important than a higher Weapon Damage or, Dex or...?

The 100% difference would be at top, but since you cannot roll into it with Mystic, and mainly since Deadset considers affixes' importance to be basic knowledge, affixes are left out from all stat priority tables.
However, just like with all stat priorities, you need to consider their relative importance (their "importance ratios") - is rolling into high weapon damage and dex more important than rolling extra 10% on the affix? and similar.

[Valks 2,373]

10 hours ago, Guest guest said:

The difference would be negligible and you will profit more from better secondary stats than from higher legendary affix value.

This is no longer true. The legendary affixes on a huge number of items are a direct buff to the output of your main spender for the build. I've been stuck with a quiver on my DH that's non-ancient, passing up multiple ones simply because it has a 200% damage buff to Multishot roll on the affix. 

+10% damage or a higher damage range by 100-200 means nothing compared to +50% skill damage.

[Valhalen 1,484]

This is quite the glass cannon build, but I love it; my favorite Monk build without a doubt. Too bad I'll have to farm for Az'Turrasfq again because of the buffs; took me 3 months to find that crap. I really wish the changes to legendaries were retroactive.

[albabe 33]

On 11/12/2017 at 10:55 AM, Guest guest said:

I don't believe you are a member of few think tanks and yet you fail to understand such an trivial concept as gearing up your character, even though you received an answer few times already
 

Oh, how mature :)

No offense, but you're an a**hole... which is really easy when you're an anonymous a**hole who's such a coward that he's afraid of being himself online, a**hole.

And now you've proven beyond any doubt that I was correct - you are a pompous condescending turd... and it still suits ya... a**hole.

xo

Edited November 15, 2017 by albabe

[albabe 33]

On 11/12/2017 at 12:59 PM, positiv2 said:

The 100% difference would be at top, but since you cannot roll into it with Mystic, and mainly since Deadset considers affixes' importance to be basic knowledge, affixes are left out from all stat priority tables.
However, just like with all stat priorities, you need to consider their relative importance (their "importance ratios") - is rolling into high weapon damage and dex more important than rolling extra 10% on the affix? and similar.

Thanx positiv2!  That's EXACTLY what I was asking.  i appreciate it... even if the a**hole above has just proven he's a dumbass about the stuff he claims to be so superior about understanding.  But I guess I really shouldn't be annoyed by a "guest guest" who's obviously an Eleven Year Old.