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2 hours ago, Blainie said:

Where are you seeing these statements, specifically the first one? Just quoting them and not telling me where they come from doesn't really allow me to explain/fix them.

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/arcane-mage-pve-dps-guide

Read the page. The first statement is in Class Overview. The second is in Weaknesses. As someone who relies on this site for accurate information regarding class choice I'd like to know which of those statements is correct, Thanks.

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3 hours ago, Guest Confused said:

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/arcane-mage-pve-dps-guide

Read the page. The first statement is in Class Overview. The second is in Weaknesses. As someone who relies on this site for accurate information regarding class choice I'd like to know which of those statements is correct, Thanks.

I challenged the whole AoE is a "weakness" thing almost a month ago, and got a generic "Fire is better, go play Fire" answer. I'm not surprised that the guide disagrees with itself in that regard.

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4 hours ago, Guest Confused said:

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/arcane-mage-pve-dps-guide

Read the page. The first statement is in Class Overview. The second is in Weaknesses. As someone who relies on this site for accurate information regarding class choice I'd like to know which of those statements is correct, Thanks.

Both, kind of - it needs to be reworded. The burst AoE is crazy good, sustained AoE is worse, the cleave is mediocre. 

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56 minutes ago, Guest Sith said:

I challenged the whole AoE is a "weakness" thing almost a month ago, and got a generic "Fire is better, go play Fire" answer. I'm not surprised that the guide disagrees with itself in that regard.

This is a pretty unfair synopsis of what happened, if I'm honest. If you take a look at the previous page, not only do I reply to you, but then go on to have a conversation with another user concerning the AoE of Arcane and how strong it is for burst. They also go on to agree.

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So another question this time about relics, are we (Arcane Mages that is) sticking with chance to proc AM or has it switched to something else like AB or AM Damage or AP Duration?

Also just a side note but I didn't see anything mentioned about relics in the gear section thus why I am asking.

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2 hours ago, Tigersharrk said:

Also just a side note but I didn't see anything mentioned about relics in the gear section thus why I am asking.

It's included in the Artifact and Relics section - here's the priority from there:

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2. Relic Choice

  1.  Icon Ethereal Sensitivity is overall the best trait for single target
  2.  Icon Aegwynn's Wrath is a great trait, essentially giving you a free 350 Critical Strike rating
  3.  Icon Blasting Rod is good, particularly for burst
  4.  Icon Aegwynn's Fury for the Arcane Missiles Icon Arcane Missiles damage
  5.  Icon Arcane Purification for the AoE benefit
  6. Any of the other damage relics

Hope this helps!

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4.2. "Conserve"

Whenever Arcane Power IconArcane Power is not on cooldown, you should aim to "conserve" enough Mana to be ready for the next Arcane Power IconArcane Power burn phase.

... Is this supposed to read "is on cooldown" ?

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45 minutes ago, Guest tfraking said:

4.2. "Conserve"

Whenever Arcane Power IconArcane Power is not on cooldown, you should aim to "conserve" enough Mana to be ready for the next Arcane Power IconArcane Power burn phase.

... Is this supposed to read "is on cooldown" ?

It is, yeah! I'll get this fixed ASAP :)

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On 2/3/2017 at 5:56 PM, Blainie said:

This is a pretty unfair synopsis of what happened, if I'm honest. If you take a look at the previous page, not only do I reply to you, but then go on to have a conversation with another user concerning the AoE of Arcane and how strong it is for burst. They also go on to agree.

When talking about sustained AoE, I think this really depends on what we mean by AoE...  If we are talking Cleave (which I think of as two or three mobs) then I agree, fire tends to do better in a stacked cleave, but explosion keeps us right behind them. 

But if it is anything four or more mobs, no other mage spec comes close in sustaining AoE damage; and in similar gear only warlocks seem to be close in regards to other classes.   As an example, the first fight in NH I'm regularly pulling one million DPS or more in Heroic (overall DPS for the fight, 890 equipped, 48 traits).  Basically explosion non-stop with Barrages thrown in to keep up mana between evocations, missile burn and other direct attacks on Skorp when adds are dead.

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21 hours ago, Rhaagola said:

When talking about sustained AoE, I think this really depends on what we mean by AoE...  If we are talking Cleave (which I think of as two or three mobs) then I agree, fire tends to do better in a stacked cleave, but explosion keeps us right behind them. 

Yeah, this is where we define things as "pack-to-pack" - if you imagine running through a dungeon, pulling packs of mobs together... Arcane just blows the others away. It's burst AoE is mental. 

Something like 3 bosses together? I'd take Fire/Frost any day. It's just a matter of situaton - each spec has its own strength.

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A note on the Best in Slots page:

Trinket #1 is listed as Whispers in the Dark from Gul'dan as a Best in Slot.  But when you go to 1.1 Trinket Notes, Whispers in the Dark is not even listed in the top 25...

I just got a 900ilvl one and got excited, which caused me to catch this.  Didn't run sims myself yet, but assuming it is one of the BiS.

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12 hours ago, Rhaagola said:

A note on the Best in Slots page:

Trinket #1 is listed as Whispers in the Dark from Gul'dan as a Best in Slot.  But when you go to 1.1 Trinket Notes, Whispers in the Dark is not even listed in the top 25...

I just got a 900ilvl one and got excited, which caused me to catch this.  Didn't run sims myself yet, but assuming it is one of the BiS.

Thanks, will get that reported to Furty!

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Hello guys, thank you for the time that you put in creating these guides, i noticed a fire mage segment called Stat Weights  but there isn't one for arcane or frost. If someone knows this kind of stuff can you give me a stat weight for the arcane mage ? I would like to put it in my pawn(addon) stats to keep in mind when i am getting a new item :P

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LordHexblade, from the research I have done, right now, currently you want an even balance of Crit and Mastery with no more than 16% haste and whatever Versa you can get. Check out this vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN40JnjnAb8

and also there is a disscussion page, although its kinda dead right now, done by Lycoan in discord heres that inv link:

https://discord.gg/dggjaJh

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Hi on the Arcane Guide, https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/arcane-mage-pve-dps-spec-builds-talents, a minor point, as of 2/23/2017, section 9. Tier 7 (Level 100) Talents

"Overpowered causes Arcane Power IconArcane Power to now increase damage by 70% and reduces Mana costs by 70%."

Overpowered reads 60% and 60% on my level 61 mage as I inspect the talent tree.   And I'll still take it!

Thanks for the site and guide, great stuff!

-Doog

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"09 Jan. 2017: Removed stat weights while waiting for things to settle down, post 7.1.5 release. "

So... when we will become the stat weights?

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On 2/19/2017 at 11:30 PM, LordHexblade said:

Hello guys, thank you for the time that you put in creating these guides, i noticed a fire mage segment called Stat Weights  but there isn't one for arcane or frost. If someone knows this kind of stuff can you give me a stat weight for the arcane mage ? I would like to put it in my pawn(addon) stats to keep in mind when i am getting a new item :P

Just to add to what Tiger said, you can always alter rotations in simcraft if you feel they aren't up to par and then use their plots and weights system to check your personal weights. You can adjust for different fight profiles, add multiple enemies for cleave, add phases etc.

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On 2/23/2017 at 4:48 PM, Doogen said:

Overpowered reads 60% and 60% on my level 61 mage as I inspect the talent tree.   And I'll still take it!

Thanks for the site and guide, great stuff!

Thanks for the heads up, will get it fixed :) Just an oversight.

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3 hours ago, Guest XMage said:

So... when we will become the stat weights?

I can poke Furty and see if we can get them added :)

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Hi I have a question regarding stats and legendaries, do the stats weights chnage depending on the legendary you have? and also is there a cap for any of them?

Thanks

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9 hours ago, Nika said:

Hi I have a question regarding stats and legendaries, do the stats weights chnage depending on the legendary you have? and also is there a cap for any of them?

Thanks

Weights? Definitely. Priority? It's tough to say. There are no legendary effects that will specifically force you to change a general stat priority. It's 100% possible that upon equipping one of the legendaries, your personal weights/priority will change, since they are HUGE stat pieces. They have a massive influence on the levels of each stat they add to.

In short, you won't abandon a stat just because you got a legendary, basically. 

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21 hours ago, Nika said:

Thank you very much! I really appreciate the quick and very helpful response!

No problem! It's also worth mentioning that, although it is not the ideal legendary, Prydaz can have a huge impact on stat weights because it has an incredibly high stat budget, even for a legendary. Just something to keep an eye on :)

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