Retribution Paladin 7.3

[Shishikyu 11]

On 4-7-2017 at 1:00 PM, Silencious said:

I've read everything I think and I'm more confused than ever. Should I go for gear with haste higher than mastery or mastery over haste?

Not sure where you got information from that indicates mastery is any good. All other stats are better than mastery. For me personally it's Wdps > haste > vers > crit > strength > mastery = AP. While this might vary for you, haste/crit/vers/strength(ilvl) are all much better than mastery! But in doubt, sim your character and the two pieces of gear you have doubts on.

[Valks 2,373]

On 04/07/2017 at 0:00 PM, Silencious said:

I've read everything I think and I'm more confused than ever. Should I go for gear with haste higher than mastery or mastery over haste?

As was said above, Mastery is definitely the worst stat for Ret. I don't think we mention anything otherwise in the guide, but please let me know if we do. If so, I'll get it removed immediately.

[Valks 2,373]

On 06/07/2017 at 1:31 PM, Shishikyu said:

Not sure where you got information from that indicates mastery is any good. All other stats are better than mastery. For me personally it's Wdps > haste > vers > crit > strength > mastery = AP. While this might vary for you, haste/crit/vers/strength(ilvl) are all much better than mastery! But in doubt, sim your character and the two pieces of gear you have doubts on.

Thanks for helping with that! :)

[Sarazah 0]

On 6/16/2017 at 5:00 AM, Farion said:

because you can't combo Dh with gr as you wont be able to dps properly with both of them

and tfoj allows you to spam ds more often

and your trait already spread judgement so gj is almost useless atm.

I'm confused by this as well. It seems a lot of the information on the Builds and Talents page contradicts itself or is partially outdated. For example, in the Cheat Sheet section it states FoJ is better for 3+, but down in the Tier 2 section it states, "against 3 enemies, Zeal is best". Which is it? Is FoJ considered better than Zeal for 3+ targets simply because it has a shorter cooldown and would build up more holy power for more frequent DS?

And what about having the tier 20 4-piece? It is stated that Zeal is best for single target if you have it and yet FoJ is then better for AoE? None of that makes sense to me. Clarification would be greatly appreciated.

[Farion 23]

On 7/31/2017 at 11:23 PM, Sarazah said:

I'm confused by this as well. It seems a lot of the information on the Builds and Talents page contradicts itself or is partially outdated. For example, in the Cheat Sheet section it states FoJ is better for 3+, but down in the Tier 2 section it states, "against 3 enemies, Zeal is best". Which is it? Is FoJ considered better than Zeal for 3+ targets simply because it has a shorter cooldown and would build up more holy power for more frequent DS?

And what about having the tier 20 4-piece? It is stated that Zeal is best for single target if you have it and yet FoJ is then better for AoE? None of that makes sense to me. Clarification would be greatly appreciated.

There is a hot-fix that is going under process about correcting those mini informations.

 

Basically, if you have 4 set ToS. then you will go zeal

You only use Tfoj when you combo it with Divine hammer or if you dont have the ToS 4 set.

[Valks 2,373]

On 7/31/2017 at 8:23 PM, Sarazah said:

Clarification would be greatly appreciated.

Please let us know if you're still confused after Far's update/comment. We'll do our best to help further :)

[Valks 2,373]

We are currently in the process of updating all guides as required for the 7.3 release. Please be patient as we make the necessary changes. You can keep an eye on the changelog to know if the guide has been updated or not. 

[Valks 2,373]

This guide has now been updated for the 7.3 patch. If you have any questions or comments, you can always ask them here. If you find any errors in the new changes to the guide, let me know and I'll get the writers to update it ASAP.

Good luck in the Shadows of Argus!

[Pion 0]

Blinding Light No longer deals damage and the resource must be edited.

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/retribution-paladin-pve-dps-spec-builds-talents

in Tier 45

and with that in mind it's  now better to get fist of judstice since blinding light no longer deals damage but it's a good choice for solo contact because of the fact that holy damage will not break the disoriented. so with that in mind [ Fist of judgment ] must be primary choice and two other talents situational.

 

Edited September 3, 2017 by Pion

[Valks 2,373]

17 hours ago, Pion said:

Blinding Light No longer deals damage and the resource must be edited.

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/retribution-paladin-pve-dps-spec-builds-talents

in Tier 45

and with that in mind it's  now better to get fist of judstice since blinding light no longer deals damage but it's a good choice for solo contact because of the fact that holy damage will not break the disoriented. so with that in mind [ Fist of judgment ] must be primary choice and two other talents situational.

Will get this updated. Blinding Light will likely still be the best choice though, since it functions as an AoE interrupt and the guide isn't intended to be for solo-play, unless talents are specifically discussed as such. 

[Farion 23]

23 hours ago, Pion said:

Blinding Light No longer deals damage and the resource must be edited.

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/retribution-paladin-pve-dps-spec-builds-talents

in Tier 45

and with that in mind it's  now better to get fist of judstice since blinding light no longer deals damage but it's a good choice for solo contact because of the fact that holy damage will not break the disoriented. so with that in mind [ Fist of judgment ] must be primary choice and two other talents situational.

 

How you use tier 45 is purely depending on you. as it does not effect your dps by any mean.

[Guest Kickemman]

Why is ES better than FV in 2 target situations? Is it because the 10% to DS/20% to TV isn't enough to outweigh it? 

[Valks 2,373]

On 9/6/2017 at 10:58 PM, Guest Kickemman said:

Why is ES better than FV in 2 target situations? Is it because the 10% to DS/20% to TV isn't enough to outweigh it? 

Yep, exactly. If you are using cloak, it ends up being better due to the buff from that, but otherwise it's not worth it.

[Guest iNUKE]

Repurposed Fel Focuser

[PatrickHenry 293]

Not sure why I've never mentioned this, but a super helpful macro is to tie Crusade (AW) and TV (or I suppose Divine Storm) into a macro, so when you use Crusade it instantly uses a spender for the haste buff to start building.  
 

#showtooltip
/cast Avenging Wrath
/cast Templar's Verdict

is what I use.

Edited September 13, 2017 by PatrickHenry

[Valks 2,373]

On 9/13/2017 at 11:43 AM, Guest iNUKE said:

Repurposed Fel Focuser

Not sure if this was meant to be a question about using the flask or?

[Valks 2,373]

14 hours ago, PatrickHenry said:

Not sure why I've never mentioned this, but a super helpful macro is to tie Crusade (AW) and TV (or I suppose Divine Storm) into a macro, so when you use Crusade it instantly uses a spender for the haste buff to start building. 

Thanks for sharing it - I'll see if we can get something similar put into the macro guide!

[Guest weekend paladin]

The NetherLight Crucible Relic Paths are missing a few tier 3 traits, i.e. Protector of the Ashen Blade and Embrace the Light. They are probably not up at the top of the list, but they show up on my relics.

On the same topic, I think there might be a typo in the tier 2 traits. Under 4. there is (+2-3 item levels), shouldn't it read 2.3 as in all the other brackets? It would make it easier to do the math at least ;)

 

Thanks for going through all the trouble to make all those guides :)

[Farion 23]

2 hours ago, Guest weekend paladin said:

The NetherLight Crucible Relic Paths are missing a few tier 3 traits, i.e. Protector of the Ashen Blade and Embrace the Light. They are probably not up at the top of the list, but they show up on my relics.

On the same topic, I think there might be a typo in the tier 2 traits. Under 4. there is (+2-3 item levels), shouldn't it read 2.3 as in all the other brackets? It would make it easier to do the math at least ;)

 

Thanks for going through all the trouble to make all those guides :)

I didn't add ashen blade or embrace the light because they are not offensive abilities hence must be avoided.

 

For your second point ; 2-3 is not a typo, the traits that has them indicates that they can be worth from 2 to 3ilvl upgrade depending on your character.

 

And no problem :v)

[Guest méllissandre]

hi i want to create [Pierre d'alchimiste astrale] I would like the craft in 930 is it well in retribution

[Valks 2,373]

17 hours ago, Guest méllissandre said:

hi i want to create [Pierre d'alchimiste astrale] I would like the craft in 930 is it well in retribution

It's like middle of the pack, I believe. It's not amazing, but you can always sim it for your current setup.

[Guest Danny]

On 21/07/2016 at 9:32 AM, Vlad said:

 

Thank you both for your posts. We really do appreciate it, because as you know, people are much more inclined to post the negative feedback than the positive one on the Internet, often forgetting that there are real people behind the guides. Fortunately, we've learned to develop something of a thick skin after years of running the website.

You could say a bark skin?

[Valks 2,373]

On 10/11/2017 at 11:01 AM, Guest Danny said:

You could say a bark skin?

If only this was a druid thread!

[Froziro 1]

A slightly better opening with 4set and Liadrin`s. Any chance to get mod of some kind? :)

[Valks 2,373]

1 hour ago, Froziro said:

A slightly better opening with 4set and Liadrin`s. Any chance to get mod of some kind? :)

@Farion - any thoughts?