Elemental Shaman 7.3

[Valks 2,373]

On 1/5/2018 at 11:43 PM, Guest AgitatedOne said:

With the recent update, there is a possible issue in terms of BiS for legendaries. The guide says that the gloves are BiS, which makes sense, but it says that the Earthshock boots are the second best in single target while the lava burst belt are best for ascendance build. While I personally prefer the boots due to the synergy with maelstrom dumping/not worrying about stacks on the dot, I am confused what the ranking are if you happen to have all three in a single target fight since the wording seems confusing to me.

Use Gloves + Boots for every ST scenario.

[DarthSwiss 0]

The guide isn't very clear when it comes to Sephuz Secret, insignia of the grand army, and Uncertain Reminder. My gut says use both rings, but i dont know which would be best.

[Valks 2,373]

On 1/20/2018 at 2:31 PM, DarthSwiss said:

The guide isn't very clear when it comes to Sephuz Secret, insignia of the grand army, and Uncertain Reminder. My gut says use both rings, but i dont know which would be best.

Insignia and Sephuz both depend hugely on variables that make them extremely difficult to rank efficiently - for example, how many procs per minute for Sephuz? Do you take baseline or with 100% uptime? Is it a fight where you even can proc Sephuz? For Insignia, it depends entirely on your Netherlight rolls, to the point where it can completely change the ranking of it depending on every choice you make in the Tier 2. Changing your relic could drop it from being your best choice of the 3 to the worst.

Realistically, you need to sim it. As long as you don't have absolutely garbage Tier 2 traits, you're going to run Insignia + Sephuz, but full defensive (or low DPS) T2 traits will make Insignia worse.

[DarthSwiss 0]

On 1/26/2018 at 9:04 AM, Blainie said:

Insignia and Sephuz both depend hugely on variables that make them extremely difficult to rank efficiently - for example, how many procs per minute for Sephuz? Do you take baseline or with 100% uptime? Is it a fight where you even can proc Sephuz? For Insignia, it depends entirely on your Netherlight rolls, to the point where it can completely change the ranking of it depending on every choice you make in the Tier 2. Changing your relic could drop it from being your best choice of the 3 to the worst.

Realistically, you need to sim it. As long as you don't have absolutely garbage Tier 2 traits, you're going to run Insignia + Sephuz, but full defensive (or low DPS) T2 traits will make Insignia worse.

Yea, I thought about that, For raids i dont get alot of opportunity for Sephuz, But even the passive stats are pretty nice. I've since got Eye of the Twisting Nether, so i dropped Sephuz, Was just having a hard time figuring out which had more weight. I feel like this, In a more general explanation, Should be listed that way folks have a idea when they use this as a reference. 

[Valks 2,373]

1 hour ago, DarthSwiss said:

Yea, I thought about that, For raids i dont get alot of opportunity for Sephuz, But even the passive stats are pretty nice. I've since got Eye of the Twisting Nether, so i dropped Sephuz, Was just having a hard time figuring out which had more weight. I feel like this, In a more general explanation, Should be listed that way folks have a idea when they use this as a reference. 

Yeah - I'll see if we can get a proper explanation added to just differentiate between the different usefulness of the legendary. 

[Guest Etherbeard]

Under the Ascendance single target rotation, at number 8 it says this:

 

"Cast  Stormkeeper if you will be able to use all 3 charges of  Power of the Maelstrom."

 

Are we meant to wait for Power of the Maelstrom procs before casting Stormkeeper? If so, I'm curious why that only appears to be the case for this build. For Lightning Rod and Icefury the guide simply says to use Stormkeeper on CD.

[Guest Balto]

20 hours ago, Guest Etherbeard said:

Under the Ascendance single target rotation, at number 8 it says this:

 

"Cast  Stormkeeper if you will be able to use all 3 charges of  Power of the Maelstrom."

 

Are we meant to wait for Power of the Maelstrom procs before casting Stormkeeper? If so, I'm curious why that only appears to be the case for this build. For Lightning Rod and Icefury the guide simply says to use Stormkeeper on CD.

I would imagine it is an error and they mean as long as you can use all three charges of stormkeeper and not Power of the Maelstrom. IE it might not be wise to use it if you're about to cap maelstrom, causing an earth shock and you are running legendary gloves as that could start an ascendance string that would then waste the stormkeeper charges. That or it is assuming you'll have POTM procs from the opener... which is not always going to be the case.

Definitely do not hold stormkeeper waiting for POTM procs. Sure save it for a cast or two of lavaburst given the situation, but don't just hold it waiting for a POTM proc.

[Valks 2,373]

On 2/26/2018 at 5:18 PM, Guest Etherbeard said:

Are we meant to wait for Power of the Maelstrom procs before casting Stormkeeper? If so, I'm curious why that only appears to be the case for this build. For Lightning Rod and Icefury the guide simply says to use Stormkeeper on CD.

I believe comment above is correct - I'll ask Furty.

[Furty 51]

On 2/27/2018 at 7:36 AM, Guest Balto said:

I would imagine it is an error and they mean as long as you can use all three charges of stormkeeper and not Power of the Maelstrom. IE it might not be wise to use it if you're about to cap maelstrom, causing an earth shock and you are running legendary gloves as that could start an ascendance string that would then waste the stormkeeper charges. That or it is assuming you'll have POTM procs from the opener... which is not always going to be the case.

Definitely do not hold stormkeeper waiting for POTM procs. Sure save it for a cast or two of lavaburst given the situation, but don't just hold it waiting for a POTM proc.

 

On 3/1/2018 at 4:59 AM, Blainie said:

I believe comment above is correct - I'll ask Furty.

Clerical error, this is correct,  and I've updated it accordingly! 

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