Destruction Warlock 7.3

[Furty 51]

On 8/19/2016 at 0:43 AM, manofthelaw3 said:

So I've played Warlock for as long as i can possibly remember... down to 7 year old me way back in vanilla... But all warlock specs right now seem like they're in the worst condition they've ever been in. Destro is ridiculously boring and doesn't feel rewarding to play at all. Demonology is gcd locked in a bad way and also requires offgame addons to play efficiently/competitively at all in raiding... and Affliction is literally just waiting around and occasionally refreshing dots. I haven't had access to the beta at all, but it seems like it doesn't get much better at all with artifacts and legendaries. I really would like to keep playing my main but it just feels extremely lackluster. Anyone else have any input on where this class is going/how fun it is going to be in legion?

 

Edit: I know I should probably wait until legion to decide how I feel about demonology... because the rotation right now is nothing short of complete cancer and pretty much ruins the enjoyability of the spec altogether. But aoe is still an issue.

Hopefully some of these issues are addressed in the future, but unfortunately I don't see much changing in the near future ;(

On 8/19/2016 at 1:09 AM, Guest Diegobrando said:

I have a question about chaos bolt usage. Shouldn't you wait until you have 5 shards to use it every time so you can use Chaos bolt on the Eradicated target more often? If I always spam Chaos Bolt, the debuff drops faster than I get another 2 shards.

You want to maintain Eradication as much as possible. If you get high on shards you want to pace them a few seconds apart to keep the buff rolling as much as possible to also empower Immolate.

[Guest Manrito]

Hey been using this guide since it came out and wanted to thank you for doing the work. But I have a question for you that me and a friend have been discussing

 

So the debate we've been having is: Is it worth it to double cast Immolate at the start/every full refresh to get an extra 6 seconds on immolate and doing an roaring blaze immolate rotation of 3/2/3. Where you can cast a 3rd conflag when immolate has 14~ seconds left. Then just as the first immolate runs out you cast immolate to land right as the previous one fades. Double casting it again, conflag, and you cast the 2nd conflag at the 18s~ remaining mark on the new immolate.

 

When I test each rotation out on training dummys, the pandemic immolate with 3/2/3 rotation does more damage(Using only Immolate/Conglag/Incinerate/Chaos Bolt) But my friend feels that the 2nd immolate cast is a damage loss because that extra 6s will be less damage than an incinerate and having a constant 2 conflag immolate up vs a small partial 1 conflag immolate.

 

I was wondering if you could weigh in on whether a double cast pandemic immolate is worth it or not to achieve a 3 conflag immolate for 14 or so seconds every odd immolate. I understand this may be better left to running a 5m patchwerk sim. But I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask the question here. Thanks in advance!

[Furty 51]

7 hours ago, Guest Manrito said:

Hey been using this guide since it came out and wanted to thank you for doing the work. But I have a question for you that me and a friend have been discussing

 

So the debate we've been having is: Is it worth it to double cast Immolate at the start/every full refresh to get an extra 6 seconds on immolate and doing an roaring blaze immolate rotation of 3/2/3. Where you can cast a 3rd conflag when immolate has 14~ seconds left. Then just as the first immolate runs out you cast immolate to land right as the previous one fades. Double casting it again, conflag, and you cast the 2nd conflag at the 18s~ remaining mark on the new immolate.

 

When I test each rotation out on training dummys, the pandemic immolate with 3/2/3 rotation does more damage(Using only Immolate/Conglag/Incinerate/Chaos Bolt) But my friend feels that the 2nd immolate cast is a damage loss because that extra 6s will be less damage than an incinerate and having a constant 2 conflag immolate up vs a small partial 1 conflag immolate.

 

I was wondering if you could weigh in on whether a double cast pandemic immolate is worth it or not to achieve a 3 conflag immolate for 14 or so seconds every odd immolate. I understand this may be better left to running a 5m patchwerk sim. But I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask the question here. Thanks in advance!

Don't double cast after the roaring blaze nerf. Pre-nerf it was very close either way depending on criticals.

[Guest Agahnim]

Why hasn't the guide been updated for the Roaring Blaze change? For me, now it shows that it gives 25% instead of 60%. 

[benjaminandjen 0]

4 hours ago, Guest Agahnim said:

Why hasn't the guide been updated for the Roaring Blaze change? For me, now it shows that it gives 25% instead of 60%. 

He's finishing up new guides for Legion as we speak ? I'm guessing they'll be out launch day or thereabouts. We're all looking forward to them ?

[Guest CuriousLock]

What is the best race for destro right now?

[Furty 51]

4 hours ago, Guest CuriousLock said:

What is the best race for destro right now?

Dwarf

[Guest Kryler]

I was doing some basic testing on a testing dummy trying both roaring blaze and Backdraft, and I feel like I'm consistently getting around 3k more DPS from Backdraft. I don't know if this is a side effect of me not having the best gear, I can give stats if that will help. I just decided to test it since Roaring Blaze was nerfed. Just wondering if anyone else has any input on where the tier 1 talents now sit. 

[Guest Duddits]

17 hours ago, Guest Kryler said:

I was doing some basic testing on a testing dummy trying both roaring blaze and Backdraft, and I feel like I'm consistently getting around 3k more DPS from Backdraft. I don't know if this is a side effect of me not having the best gear, I can give stats if that will help. I just decided to test it since Roaring Blaze was nerfed. Just wondering if anyone else has any input on where the tier 1 talents now sit. 

I was thinking the same thing with the nerf. It would also allow you to not worry about tying your conflags to immolate. I have noticed with not getting a shard on the initial cast of it I am getting less shards. Combine that with the fact that you cant store more than 2 for a boss anymore and it gets really frustrating.

[Furty 51]

11 hours ago, Guest Duddits said:

I was thinking the same thing with the nerf. It would also allow you to not worry about tying your conflags to immolate. I have noticed with not getting a shard on the initial cast of it I am getting less shards. Combine that with the fact that you cant store more than 2 for a boss anymore and it gets really frustrating.

Backdraft is better. Haven't updated this guide for a little while as this is the "pre-patch" version, but the "Legion" version is going live in a few hours which is fully updated for the Artifact & recent hotfixes.

[Guest Mero]

Furty,

Thanks so much for the updated guide. It is head and shoulders above anything else I've seen so far.  I noticed a couple small issues to clean up (e.g. nerfed RB is now 25%, not 60, if I recall correctly; some leftover text from prior version of the guide no longer applies), but I'm sure you'll revisit it when your able.  All in all, very thorough, organized, and well-put-together. Thanks for getting this out prior to launch. -M. 

[Furty 51]

6 minutes ago, Guest Mero said:

Furty,

Thanks so much for the updated guide. It is head and shoulders above anything else I've seen so far.  I noticed a couple small issues to clean up (e.g. nerfed RB is now 25%, not 60, if I recall correctly; some leftover text from prior version of the guide no longer applies), but I'm sure you'll revisit it when your able.  All in all, very thorough, organized, and well-put-together. Thanks for getting this out prior to launch. -M. 

Cheers, will get that fixed ASAP.

[Guest Jennifer]

23 hours ago, Furty said:

Backdraft is better. Haven't updated this guide for a little while as this is the "pre-patch" version, but the "Legion" version is going live in a few hours which is fully updated for the Artifact & recent hotfixes.

I was reading in the battle net forums that backdrafts duration may be reduced by higher levels of haste(gear) meaning its duration is reduced to 3 seconds vs 5 seconds. Even with this gimmick you believe BD is still better than RB? http://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20748646030

 

[Guest db2765]

Does the rotation change much now that we're taking Backdraft instead of Roaring? I figure we probably still want to open with Immolate into 2x Conflag, then rotation as usual from there? Seems like the only big change is that we can Conflag on cooldown rather than hold it if Immolate is expiring soon. Just wanted to check and make sure, though.

[Guest Mero]

Furty, if it comes down to a choice between the two, my understanding is that I should prioritize using chaos bolt to maximize Eradication uptime, rather than banking and spending during trinket procs, all things being equal. In other words, I should treat the new Eradication like the old Shadowflame dot from Hand of Gul'dan in MoP and WoD (ignoring special situations like a priority add).

I realize we may see tuning and trinkets in the future that could change this (Immerseus says hi). Just wanted to confirm that inference, and ask that you let us know in future guides if any trinkets change the priority. Thanks. -M. 

[Furty 51]

1 hour ago, Guest Mero said:

Furty, if it comes down to a choice between the two, my understanding is that I should prioritize using chaos bolt to maximize Eradication uptime, rather than banking and spending during trinket procs, all things being equal. In other words, I should treat the new Eradication like the old Shadowflame dot from Hand of Gul'dan in MoP and WoD (ignoring special situations like a priority add).

I realize we may see tuning and trinkets in the future that could change this (Immerseus says hi). Just wanted to confirm that inference, and ask that you let us know in future guides if any trinkets change the priority. Thanks. -M. 

That's correct, but if there's a predictable influx of damage increases (e.g. ICD, Soul Harvest) then you should prepare Shards in advance.

4 hours ago, Guest db2765 said:

Does the rotation change much now that we're taking Backdraft instead of Roaring? I figure we probably still want to open with Immolate into 2x Conflag, then rotation as usual from there? Seems like the only big change is that we can Conflag on cooldown rather than hold it if Immolate is expiring soon. Just wanted to check and make sure, though.

Wouldn't worry about it. Best to use on CB wherever possible but not a massive increase/decrease.

[BWallerius 0]

First of all, thank you for a great guide, always a good read.

I might be missing something obvious (it's in fact quite likley that I do) but on the stat weights it says intellect is 1 and haste 1.24 and yet intellect is ranked ahead of haste and we're supposed to priorotize the 200 intellect gem over the 250 haste one. What's the reason for this?

[Damien 1,514]

42 minutes ago, BWallerius said:

First of all, thank you for a great guide, always a good read.

I might be missing something obvious (it's in fact quite likley that I do) but on the stat weights it says intellect is 1 and haste 1.24 and yet intellect is ranked ahead of haste and we're supposed to priorotize the 200 intellect gem over the 250 haste one. What's the reason for this?

Thanks for the positive feedback! There was actually no good reason for that. It was simply a mistake, which is now fixed :)

[Guest Destrossss]

Had a question regarding eradication and the usage of dimensional rift. In your guide you say to use 1 charge before hitting a chaos bolt. Does dimensional rift not benefit from the eradication increase in damage? And only one charge on pull? Wouldn't it be better to drop all 3 charges on pull? The. Pool 2 for movement and such? Chances are I don't know what I'm talking about but it would be nice to have that clarified. Good guide. Thanks.

[g4m3sh4rk 0]

I had some questions regarding rotation. I can't discern a proper rotation out of a spell priority list alone. Can anyone break it down for me in a way that would make sense chronologically. I can understand if the situation would shift priorities based on a pending cooldown but what to cast in a continual rotation is completely lost on me. I can not figure out if I am suppose to use all of my chaos bolts as I get them or if I wait and use them to apply eradication and spam incinerate during eradication.... you get my point I am completely lost here. 

[Guest Kaulder]

I would like to know why service is better option now with artifact weapon talent having us actually cast infernals and a 50 damage buff with demonic power? Doom guard still not cranking out comparable damage

[Guest Kaulder]

So how will the weapon change this the talents for demonic power and the infernal have to bigger dmg increase ( 3 min doomguard) so how would servitude out weigh having the extra damage cool down? Plus the damage buff from that talent to sacrifice seems to be a stright damage buff. Am I confused? I played affliction a lot so now it's broken and I am swapping to destro Also explain roaring blaze vs backdraft I'm a bit confused as to what the benefits vs negatives are

[Furty 51]

On 9/5/2016 at 1:49 PM, Guest Destrossss said:

Had a question regarding eradication and the usage of dimensional rift. In your guide you say to use 1 charge before hitting a chaos bolt. Does dimensional rift not benefit from the eradication increase in damage? And only one charge on pull? Wouldn't it be better to drop all 3 charges on pull? The. Pool 2 for movement and such? Chances are I don't know what I'm talking about but it would be nice to have that clarified. Good guide. Thanks.

If possible the eradication buff is a nice bonus. There's no rush to drop all three on the opener as there isn't a legendary ring or trinkets anymore making the timing more of a personal choice.

19 hours ago, g4m3sh4rk said:

I had some questions regarding rotation. I can't discern a proper rotation out of a spell priority list alone. Can anyone break it down for me in a way that would make sense chronologically. I can understand if the situation would shift priorities based on a pending cooldown but what to cast in a continual rotation is completely lost on me. I can not figure out if I am suppose to use all of my chaos bolts as I get them or if I wait and use them to apply eradication and spam incinerate during eradication.... you get my point I am completely lost here. 

Some of it is explained in the guide but a large part of the subtlety as, as you noted, contextual. In such situations it just comes down to thinking with your head, i.e. if you need more burst then use everything at once but for more sustain try and maintain a high Eradication uptime.

15 hours ago, Guest Kaulder said:

I would like to know why service is better option now with artifact weapon talent having us actually cast infernals and a 50 damage buff with demonic power? Doom guard still not cranking out comparable damage

It has always been the best option.

 

[Guest Rainingblue]

If the stat scaling is:

Haste: 1.24

Intellect: 1.00

Why should i use a +200int socket instead of all +250 haste ones?

[Guest Nisio]

Thanks for the read! Do we have breakpoints/soft caps for haste or crit?