Destruction Warlock 7.3

[Yanashepard 0]

Hi!. I really like your guide, but I need to clarify something. In "Spooktacular Stat Weights" Intellect: 1.00, Haste: 0.90 Critical Strike: 0.82 etc. But in the same time in "Evaluating Upgrades Using Stat Weights" stat weight next :  Intellect: 1.00, Haste: 1,24 and etc

please can you tell how much stat weights right?

Sry 4 my english and tnx!

 

[Guest Double immolate tics]

Thanks for this guide. I must say much has changed since my last raiding days in IC.

my question is regards of the rotation with roaring blaze. Let's say I target a non elite mob staring with incinerate, i can see immolate instantly applied to the mob, followed by confragate, another immolate i can see 2 immolate debuffs on the mob. This is not the case for elites, I cannot get the two immolated tics, just one. 

Im curios what am I missing here, I'm not sure why this is happening. Again it's been quite a while for me and I'm relearning how to play the class again.

Thanks in adavance,

F.

[Guest Jogama]

Cap for Haste on Destrolocks?

[Valks 2,373]

On 11/1/2016 at 3:37 PM, Guest Markadelf said:

With the doomguard buff is supremacy better than service?

I don't believe so, no.

[Valks 2,373]

On 11/2/2016 at 7:42 PM, Guest BIS with Khara loot said:

Hello, is the BIS list updated with the new Khara loot?

The BiS list focuses on raid loot, at least from what I can see. I imagine it will be updated to include any pieces from ToV soon, though.

[Valks 2,373]

On 11/3/2016 at 7:16 AM, Guest Blackabbadon said:

Are there any changes regarding sup and service? I notice on sims they are using sup and on my sims ayo is our performing service now with the buff. 

From what I can see in regards to logs and practical use, it doesn't look like supremacy is pulling ahead yet. I might be wrong, but it's just what I am seeing from use in logs/rankings.

[Valks 2,373]

On 11/3/2016 at 9:40 PM, lockish said:

is there a trinket list that takes into account kara trinkets?

This is Gahddo's list, so perhaps check that out: http://downloads.simulationcraft.org/Gahddo/destro_raid_trinkets.html

It looks like it was updated last week.

[Valks 2,373]

On 11/4/2016 at 7:27 AM, Yanashepard said:

Hi!. I really like your guide, but I need to clarify something. In "Spooktacular Stat Weights" Intellect: 1.00, Haste: 0.90 Critical Strike: 0.82 etc. But in the same time in "Evaluating Upgrades Using Stat Weights" stat weight next :  Intellect: 1.00, Haste: 1,24 and etc

please can you tell how much stat weights right?

Sry 4 my english and tnx!

 

The ones on the stat page are correct. The ones in the later part of the guide are there just to demonstrate how to calculate upgrade evaluations, so they aren't updated as frequently it seems.

[Valks 2,373]

On 11/8/2016 at 2:15 AM, Guest Double immolate tics said:

Thanks for this guide. I must say much has changed since my last raiding days in IC.

my question is regards of the rotation with roaring blaze. Let's say I target a non elite mob staring with incinerate, i can see immolate instantly applied to the mob, followed by confragate, another immolate i can see 2 immolate debuffs on the mob. This is not the case for elites, I cannot get the two immolated tics, just one. 

Im curios what am I missing here, I'm not sure why this is happening. Again it's been quite a while for me and I'm relearning how to play the class again.

Thanks in adavance,

F.

Could this second debuff perhaps be from Conflagrate? Are you certain there are two immolate debuffs? It should just add to the duration of Immolate. 

[Valks 2,373]

On 11/9/2016 at 10:12 PM, Guest Jogama said:

Cap for Haste on Destrolocks?

I don't think there is a specific number that I can give you as a cap. 

[lockish 3]

I was curious when we would start seeing more forum stickied posts.  Things like the trinket list and dungeon guide ala warlock.  Stuff that has been put out in the other expansions.  I'm a moron or I'd happily contribute.

Edited November 14, 2016 by lockish

[Valks 2,373]

On 11/12/2016 at 10:28 PM, lockish said:

I was curious when we would start seeing more forum stickied posts.  Things like the trinket list and dungeon guide ala warlock.  Stuff that has been put out in the other expansions.  I'm a moron or I'd happily contribute.

I'll be adding them to the forums so that people can contribute in the near future! We just need to make sure we get some solid suggestions rather than silly ones! Anyway, keep an eye out for them.

[Guest n3m]

On 8.11.2016 at 3:15 AM, Guest Double immolate tics said:

Thanks for this guide. I must say much has changed since my last raiding days in IC.

my question is regards of the rotation with roaring blaze. Let's say I target a non elite mob staring with incinerate, i can see immolate instantly applied to the mob, followed by confragate, another immolate i can see 2 immolate debuffs on the mob. This is not the case for elites, I cannot get the two immolated tics, just one. 

Im curios what am I missing here, I'm not sure why this is happening. Again it's been quite a while for me and I'm relearning how to play the class again.

Thanks in adavance,

F.

Hm, i think you take the permanent DestroLock-Champion and he applied the second immolate.

If your PvP-Talents are active, your immolate has no casttime.

[Guest Xelocraz]

You guys don't cover Channel Demonfire at all in the rotation page. Any chance we can get a breakdown of how to use it properly in the rotation like the other spells/talents in that section got explained? 

[Guest Fed]

Haste, haste, haste. Is there a cap? I'm at 38%

[Valks 2,373]

On 17.11.2016 at 9:26 PM, Guest n3m said:

Hm, i think you take the permanent DestroLock-Champion and he applied the second immolate.

If your PvP-Talents are active, your immolate has no casttime.

Thanks for helping to clear that up! :)

[Valks 2,373]

On 21.11.2016 at 11:43 PM, Guest Xelocraz said:

You guys don't cover Channel Demonfire at all in the rotation page. Any chance we can get a breakdown of how to use it properly in the rotation like the other spells/talents in that section got explained? 

Will get it added, must have been an oversight. Thanks for letting me know!

[Valks 2,373]

10 hours ago, Guest Fed said:

Haste, haste, haste. Is there a cap? I'm at 38%

Stats are much more fluid than they were previously. There isn't a specific Haste point that you HAVE to reach. Instead, there are times where Haste just becomes slightly less valuable since you have barely any of the other stats. This depends entirely on how much you have of the other stats, so we can't really give a specific number for it.

SimCraft will be the best way to find out if you are at your personal point of stacking another stat for a bit. It's important to note that you will need Haste again in the future as soon as you have enough of the other stats to push their weights down again.

[Guest Fed]

14 hours ago, Blainie said:

Stats are much more fluid than they were previously. There isn't a specific Haste point that you HAVE to reach. Instead, there are times where Haste just becomes slightly less valuable since you have barely any of the other stats. This depends entirely on how much you have of the other stats, so we can't really give a specific number for it.

SimCraft will be the best way to find out if you are at your personal point of stacking another stat for a bit. It's important to note that you will need Haste again in the future as soon as you have enough of the other stats to push their weights down again.

 

 

Thanks, I ran it. I'm not very good at it. The scale factor looks like this Crit ~= Mastery > Haste, I wonder if someone better versed on simcraft can provide advise.

[Valks 2,373]

9 hours ago, Guest Fed said:

Thanks, I ran it. I'm not very good at it. The scale factor looks like this Crit ~= Mastery > Haste, I wonder if someone better versed on simcraft can provide advise.

This is definitely possible, but I can help. PM me a link to your armoury and I'll do my best to help tomorrow when I am back at a decent PC!

[Fedie 0]

5 hours ago, Blainie said:

This is definitely possible, but I can help. PM me a link to your armoury and I'll do my best to help tomorrow when I am back at a decent PC!

 

 

Thanks Blainie. I had a (pug) raid last night and one of the fights was pretty much tank and spank and I was right on the money with theoretical DPS and actual DPS. I did switch a few pieces of gear as I was stacking way to much haste. I'll send you my armoury link, my gear still low (850i) and I'm still learning the class but I like to start balancing these stats now rather than stack up on something that will not give good results.

I noticed a 10K DPS increase by reducing Haste from 38% to 30% and increasing Crit from 14% to 20%.  I guess the hard work is into balancing these 2. However, I'm wondering how mastery will play on all of this.

F.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Fedie

[Fedie 0]

On 2016-11-24 at 4:54 AM, Blainie said:

Will get it added, must have been an oversight. Thanks for letting me know!

this is an excellent point. I find myself at a different stage, although raiding its awesome I can.  Which I guess we can call it another type of progression.

So as Destro lock trying to clear trash very fast to beat timers and really working on learning how to AoE more than 2 targets. I can say Channel Demon Fire comes to help. 

My current strategy for a 5 mob wich CDF and GS will be Havoc->Immolate 4 times->Rain of fire->channel demon fire, by then I find myself wishing for shards so I cast conf in a target a couple times if needed but the main goal is to keep rain of fire and shards up until next CDF CD is up and at the same time watching for immolates.  This is super busy but it's doing the job as I find myself higher up on DPS chart whereas  I was at the bottom with the previous build.  This is most likely apply to 5 men mythic + progression only as everything is happening so fast.

I appreciate any pointers on Destro AoE specifically managing CD and Shards with CDF

 

[Valks 2,373]

On 11/25/2016 at 1:54 PM, Fedie said:

I guess the hard work is into balancing these 2.

Gearing often does become a game of balance in Legion, tbh. It's finding the right point of each of your stats rather than just throwing everything into 1 stat. Of course, you will have some success with that and it often can apply to a main stat, but the lower secondaries can be a bit more fluid at certain points.

[Valks 2,373]

On 12/3/2016 at 5:11 PM, Fedie said:

I appreciate any pointers on Destro AoE specifically managing CD and Shards with CDF

As for this, I'd love to help, but I'm really not well versed enough to do this :( You might have more luck asking in our Warlock forum, since people are generally more willing to give general pointers there!

Hopefully the updates to the rotation page which should be incoming soon will also help!

[Guest pyrodots]

On 12/3/2016 at 0:11 PM, Fedie said:

this is an excellent point. I find myself at a different stage, although raiding its awesome I can.  Which I guess we can call it another type of progression.

So as Destro lock trying to clear trash very fast to beat timers and really working on learning how to AoE more than 2 targets. I can say Channel Demon Fire comes to help. 

My current strategy for a 5 mob wich CDF and GS will be Havoc->Immolate 4 times->Rain of fire->channel demon fire, by then I find myself wishing for shards so I cast conf in a target a couple times if needed but the main goal is to keep rain of fire and shards up until next CDF CD is up and at the same time watching for immolates.  This is super busy but it's doing the job as I find myself higher up on DPS chart whereas  I was at the bottom with the previous build.  This is most likely apply to 5 men mythic + progression only as everything is happening so fast.

I appreciate any pointers on Destro AoE specifically managing CD and Shards with CDF

 

best off using sac instead of service heavy aoe