Arms Warrior 7.3

[Guest Harambelyfe]

18 hours ago, wordup said:

I haven't been seeing anything similar. If you could pastebin the profile I'd take a look, but I have yet to see a profile that doesn't weight Mastery unless you are extremely close to a small breakpoint beak that over-values it for some particular reason.

from what youve seen so far would you say the priority is still mas-vers-haste or has it changed to mas-haste-vers?

[Valks 2,373]

22 hours ago, Guest Harambelyfe said:

from what youve seen so far would you say the priority is still mas-vers-haste or has it changed to mas-haste-vers?

I would assume Mas > Vers > Haste, since that's the priority listed in the guide.

[wordup 37]

On 04/10/2016 at 8:15 PM, Guest Harambelyfe said:

from what youve seen so far would you say the priority is still mas-vers-haste or has it changed to mas-haste-vers?

I see some variance depending on gear that can, in some cases, swing it to Mast > Haste > Vers, but those tend to be in weighted gear scenarios. The weights I work with are usually normalised to 4500~ per stat to give equal footing for players in regular gear. Further than that it's generally best to sim your own char and see how much the different gear affects weights and act accordingly.

[Bridgey1989 0]

ive done a simcraft aswell and it puts haste above vers aswell.

thanks

 

Edited October 6, 2016 by Bridgey1989

[Guest ThaiTanic]

A lot of false information being spread in the comment section here. Here are some facts regarding stats.

How much haste do I need?

It is not currently advised to build for haste to the exclusion of mastery. There exists a haste breakpoint of significant DPS increase @ 20% haste, however it is very difficult to itemize for, and the lost mastery if you don’t get to the haste breakpoint will hurt your DPS significantly.

Furthermore, the 20% haste breakpoint is based on getting a 5th GCD into Battle Cry, which is effected by lag. Therefore, the breakpoint may actually closer to 23-25% haste, depending on your latency.

What is my stat priority?

Mastery > Strength > Versatility > Crit, with haste either being ahead of Mastery, or ahead of Versatility, depending on how close to the 20% haste breakpoint you are.

Wait, haste over versatility?

Yep. Here’s a chart giving some explanation as to why

Source

[Guest Ironaddict]

Why is haste as a best stat for arms on noxxic?

[Valks 2,373]

20 hours ago, Guest ThaiTanic said:

A lot of false information being spread in the comment section here. Here are some facts regarding stats.

Tagging @wordup to take a look.

[Valks 2,373]

17 hours ago, Guest Ironaddict said:

Why is haste as a best stat for arms on noxxic?

I can't really give an answer for this. It's likely that they did 1 sim, took that result and posted it as the best stat priority.

[wordup 37]

On 06/10/2016 at 7:25 PM, Guest ThaiTanic said:

A lot of false information being spread in the comment section here. Here are some facts regarding stats.

How much haste do I need?

It is not currently advised to build for haste to the exclusion of mastery. There exists a haste breakpoint of significant DPS increase @ 20% haste, however it is very difficult to itemize for, and the lost mastery if you don’t get to the haste breakpoint will hurt your DPS significantly.

Furthermore, the 20% haste breakpoint is based on getting a 5th GCD into Battle Cry, which is effected by lag. Therefore, the breakpoint may actually closer to 23-25% haste, depending on your latency.

What is my stat priority?

Mastery > Strength > Versatility > Crit, with haste either being ahead of Mastery, or ahead of Versatility, depending on how close to the 20% haste breakpoint you are.

Wait, haste over versatility?

Yep. Here’s a chart giving some explanation as to why

Source

I'll take a look through some plots over the weekend and see, as I have been seeing the trend to haste a bit recently. I'll try and get the main page updated in the next couple of days to reflect that, thanks for giving the heads up :)

[Guest sagas]

hey fellas, today done a HoV mythic eventho I changed my lootspec at odyn to get the trinket called gift of radiance, and I have a question for you! Which trinket now I should use? I have an ilvl 835 str+mastery WQ trinket, Gift of Radiance ilvl840, Natures Call ilvl 850 and Terrorbound nexus ilvl840, I used the last two and managed like 300k dps to hold on bosses like ursoc. Best in slot section suggests the wq mastery trinket, but I'm a bit sceptic since I saw noone equipping those trinkets?!

[Valks 2,373]

On 10/11/2016 at 1:33 PM, Guest sagas said:

hey fellas, today done a HoV mythic eventho I changed my lootspec at odyn to get the trinket called gift of radiance, and I have a question for you! Which trinket now I should use? I have an ilvl 835 str+mastery WQ trinket, Gift of Radiance ilvl840, Natures Call ilvl 850 and Terrorbound nexus ilvl840, I used the last two and managed like 300k dps to hold on bosses like ursoc. Best in slot section suggests the wq mastery trinket, but I'm a bit sceptic since I saw noone equipping those trinkets?!

The best way to figure this out with varying item levels will be SimCraft for sure. Simply sim each trinket combo to see which works best!

[demonardvark 556]

noticed some small typo in talent section

oriented build,  Dauntless is teh clear choice, 

i believe dauntless is THE clear choice :)

[Guest Phemor]

Question regarding the Artifact relic trait. I know item level is what essentially matters. However should we ultimately be aiming to have 3 relics all with the same trait or 1 of each?

[Guest zheX]

How are u guys handling rotation now? For me stacking FR x 3 seems like a bit wrong to go with... Any suggestions on how rotation should go, whether to use Slam or completely ignoring it?

[Guest Gregoire]

Hello,

 In execute phase -20%. Say you have the shattered defense buff up and + 40 rage, do you prio execute over mortal strike ? Because of the extra dmge if you consume up to 30 more rage with execute, at this point execute should hit harder then CS.

Also if so does this countnfor both normal build and FR build?

[Guest Yup]

9 hours ago, Guest zheX said:

How are u guys handling rotation now? For me stacking FR x 3 seems like a bit wrong to go with... Any suggestions on how rotation should go, whether to use Slam or completely ignoring it?

Yep having trouble with the focused rage rotation too. Any high ranking warriors care to comment?

[Guest Beatusvir]

On 10/29/2016 at 10:06 PM, Guest zheX said:

How are u guys handling rotation now? For me stacking FR x 3 seems like a bit wrong to go with... Any suggestions on how rotation should go, whether to use Slam or completely ignoring it?

The guide clearly states this:

1. Cast  Mortal Strike (regardless of  Focused Rage stacks) above 20%.

[Guest zheX]

6 hours ago, Guest Beatusvir said:

The guide clearly states this:

1. Cast  Mortal Strike (regardless of  Focused Rage stacks) above 20%.

I do know that, but with MS on cd rage should be spent on slam?

[Cjeet 0]

Hey, anyone know's what's the cap of mastery?

[Valks 2,373]

On 10/25/2016 at 3:35 AM, demonardvark said:

noticed some small typo in talent section

oriented build,  Dauntless is teh clear choice, 

i believe dauntless is THE clear choice :)

Noted and passed on, thanks :p

[Valks 2,373]

On 10/27/2016 at 7:50 PM, Guest Phemor said:

Question regarding the Artifact relic trait. I know item level is what essentially matters. However should we ultimately be aiming to have 3 relics all with the same trait or 1 of each?

If you can find 3 relics that all have the highest item level possible and have EtW, go for it!

[Valks 2,373]

13 hours ago, Guest zheX said:

I do know that, but with MS on cd rage should be spent on slam?

Only if you are already at 3 stacks of FR, at least that's what the guide eludes to, or if you are in BC.

[Valks 2,373]

10 hours ago, Cjeet said:

Hey, anyone know's what's the cap of mastery?

There isn't really a "cap" I can give you. Instead, consider stat weights as a fluid motion of numbers. When one moves, another will. When that other ones move, another will move and so on. Your cap on mastery will change depending on how much of the other stats you have.

[Guest Kira]

On 1.11.2016 at 3:30 AM, Blainie said:

Only if you are already at 3 stacks of FR, at least that's what the guide eludes to, or if you are in BC.

According to simcraft rotation rules simc uses slam if MS is on cooldown and FR only in Deadly Calm Phase. I changed simcraft rules to slam at 3 stacks of FR and to use FR if not at 3 stacks and get a 15k drop in results. Can anyone confirm that with Arms nerf Slam is the new replacement to spam instead of FR? If yes, please update this guide.

[Valks 2,373]

On 11/10/2016 at 2:06 AM, Guest Kira said:

According to simcraft rotation rules simc uses slam if MS is on cooldown and FR only in Deadly Calm Phase. I changed simcraft rules to slam at 3 stacks of FR and to use FR if not at 3 stacks and get a 15k drop in results. Can anyone confirm that with Arms nerf Slam is the new replacement to spam instead of FR? If yes, please update this guide.

I'll get @wordup on checking this. Thanks for looking into it and coming back with further analysis/results. I'm not super up-to-date with the Arms stuff, so I'll leave Wordup to the more complex help.