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I don't understand one thing, Why is it called "Discord Strike Build" when not a single talent towards Discord Strike is being used in the build?

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2 hours ago, Guest Darkness said:

I don't understand one thing, Why is it called "Discord Strike Build" when not a single talent towards Discord Strike is being used in the build?

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Maybe you know it already but havent write that yet about Alarak tactic vs Tracer. I notice that Alarak Counter-Strike protect against Tracer's R ability from damage. So maybe work against other high damage ability as well like Kael Fireball(?) And more. A tips if face Tracer. 

 

Otherwise CS are do not any damage back against all push (Auriel push, Thralls ultime etc), silence (Alarak) and more. CS may ability protect you from damage if use it right but Alarak do zero damage from his Counter-Strike ability if it isnt normal attack without any effect. 

Good against suprise attack when come from Sylvanas or Li-ming. 

 

I have not have any problem against Li-Ming. But maybe just me have face any good Li-ming player yet. 

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6 hours ago, Guest Phenom said:

Maybe you know it already but havent write that yet about Alarak tactic vs Tracer. I notice that Alarak Counter-Strike protect against Tracer's R ability from damage. So maybe work against other high damage ability as well like Kael Fireball(?) And more. A tips if face Tracer. 

 

Otherwise CS are do not any damage back against all push (Auriel push, Thralls ultime etc), silence (Alarak) and more. CS may ability protect you from damage if use it right but Alarak do zero damage from his Counter-Strike ability if it isnt normal attack without any effect. 

Good against suprise attack when come from Sylvanas or Li-ming. 

 

I have not have any problem against Li-Ming. But maybe just me have face any good Li-ming player yet. 

The guide is currently in an early release state, as the meta surrounding Alarak has not yet fully developed. That being said, let's talk about this stuff!

It is true that you can block a high damage Ability with Counter-Strike, and it does have a low cooldown. In some scenarios, it would be a great take at Level 10. I currently have Counter-Strike listed as a situational pick, because I think that Deadly Charge is better most of the time. Deadly Charge gives Alarak a massive gap-closer that deals a ton of damage as Alarak passes through enemies.

Tracer counters Alarak not because of her Heroic, but because of the constant damage stream from ReloadReload and her mobility from BlinkBlink. As for Li-Ming, I think it may be that you have not run into a good one yet. Even with Deadly Charge, Alarak simply lacks the tools to get into and stay within range of a Li-Ming who is respecting his position. She can throw damage at you from complete safety, because Magic MissilesMagic Missiles and Arcane OrbArcane Orb both out-range your highest range Basic Ability, Telekinesis. Unless she makes a mistake, all you can do is dodge.

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On Friday, September 16, 2016 at 11:25 PM, Straften said:

The guide is currently in an early release state, as the meta surrounding Alarak has not yet fully developed. That being said, let's talk about this stuff!

It is true that you can block a high damage Ability with Counter-Strike, and it does have a low cooldown. In some scenarios, it would be a great take at Level 10. I currently have Counter-Strike listed as a situational pick, because I think that Deadly Charge is better most of the time. Deadly Charge gives Alarak a massive gap-closer that deals a ton of damage as Alarak passes through enemies.

Tracer counters Alarak not because of her Heroic, but because of the constant damage stream from ReloadReload and her mobility from BlinkBlink. As for Li-Ming, I think it may be that you have not run into a good one yet. Even with Deadly Charge, Alarak simply lacks the tools to get into and stay within range of a Li-Ming who is respecting his position. She can throw damage at you from complete safety, because Magic MissilesMagic Missiles and Arcane OrbArcane Orb both out-range your highest range Basic Ability, Telekinesis. Unless she makes a mistake, all you can do is dodge.

Ok, I still havent face a good Li-ming I guess. Otherwise I have face Sgt Hammer and give Alarak really problem which I agree. And Tracer are hard to face alone. 

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I disagree with the weakness heroes entirely. If you grab the extra push distance and range on telekinesis, alarak makes Sgt hammer an easier kill if he has a helper with him. You just charge at her then push and silence her. Dead hammer. Same goes for Li-Ming and tracer, but you need the reduced cooldown on telekinesis rather than the range, all it takes is one landed discord strike and they're half dead. Then you can poke almost as effectively between lightning and a discord telekinesis combo on a 6 second cooldown.

 

In my opinion his real weaknesses are high sustain heroes like butcher, illidan (he dodges discord ezpz), raynor(silence doesn't block adrenaline rush), tychus etc who can deal a lot of damage without relying on abilities.

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3 hours ago, Guest WIZBIZ said:

I disagree with the weakness heroes entirely.

Nowhere near well versed enough with this hero to be able to respond properly, but I'm just tagging @Straften here. Wanted to comment to say that we are reading and taking note of what you're saying, but he'll be able to give a proper response/analysis of your comment.

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3 hours ago, Guest WIZBIZ said:

I disagree with the weakness heroes entirely.

Alright, let's take a look.

3 hours ago, Guest WIZBIZ said:

If you grab the extra push distance and range on telekinesis, alarak makes Sgt hammer an easier kill if he has a helper with him.

The weaknesses of any Hero can be helped by teammates. This is what makes the draft so important, and why certain team compositions have significant advantages over others.

3 hours ago, Guest WIZBIZ said:

...alarak makes Sgt hammer an easier kill if he has a helper with him. You just charge at her then push and silence her. Dead hammer.

Any Hero in the game is susceptible to being ganked, which is essentially what you are describing here with Sgt. Hammer. There are other factors at work here too; maybe I should add these to the explanation in the guide.

One of Alarak's most inherent weaknesses is his lack of waveclear. Sgt. Hammer will always outpush him in a 1v1 lane, and in most 2v2 lanes as well. This means that the Minions will be pushed forward. Alarak will be unable to safely charge straight at her, because he will draw agro from the Minion wave. If he does charge forward tanking damage, it is a red flag to Hammer that she may be getting ganked. A cautious player will simply move away and spit out Spider MinesSpider Mines. Hammer will usually maintain lane superiority until the map objective spawns. At this point Alarak will be forced to decide between clearing and catching up in experience, or allowing his structures to take damage while he heads to the objective with an experience disadvantage.

3 hours ago, Guest WIZBIZ said:

Same goes for Li-Ming and tracer, but you need the reduced cooldown on telekinesis rather than the range, all it takes is one landed discord strike and they're half dead. Then you can poke almost as effectively between lightning and a discord telekinesis combo on a 6 second cooldown.

Charging at Li-Ming is an incredibly bad idea, as she will easily kite away from you while inflicting massive damage. I would recommend avoiding her as much as possible until your team is ready to deal with her with you. Also, landing Discord Strike on a good Tracer is pretty much a pipe dream.

3 hours ago, Guest WIZBIZ said:

In my opinion his real weaknesses are high sustain heroes like butcher, illidan (he dodges discord ezpz), raynor(silence doesn't block adrenaline rush), tychus etc who can deal a lot of damage without relying on abilities.

These are good points, and are worth watching. As the meta continues to develop, I will update all sections of the guide with new information. 

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I disagree that Raynor Tychus have not give me a problem as you say. Tychus can you silence and stop his damage pretty easy and so on. 

Butcher strong autoattack and charge stun (late game) can give you problem then he get good start instead you start the fight and Illidan with jumping around make it hard to hits him with Alarak ability and they both mention are pretty strong duelist. That in my eyes I think you WIZBIZ may see them as a problem for Alarak. Alarak can be strong duelist but not easy duelist as Alarak as it is duelist as Illidan, Thrall or Kerrigan for example. 

I think Alarak strenght lies in teamfight. If Alarak pick second ultimate at lvl 20 then can Charge in the fight and try hits many enemy heroes as possible (at maps like get Punisher, Immortal and more) then Counter-Strike right after. Alarak have pretty high damage ultime and his strenght lies in ability that hit enemys heroes. So it can be be worth pick second ultime when playing Alarak. Alarak is unique assassin compare with other assassins. Alarak is actually pure Assassin that focus is on killing other team heros. And Alarak is one strongest on ganks other hero. But also it can easy get backfire and get gank as Alarak.

I hope my english wasnt so bad, if so I am very sorry :-( 

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5 hours ago, Guest Phenom said:

I disagree that Raynor Tychus have not give me a problem as you say. Tychus can you silence and stop his damage pretty easy and so on. 

Butcher strong autoattack and charge stun (late game) can give you problem then he get good start instead you start the fight and Illidan with jumping around make it hard to hits him with Alarak ability and they both mention are pretty strong duelist. That in my eyes I think you WIZBIZ may see them as a problem for Alarak. Alarak can be strong duelist but not easy duelist as Alarak as it is duelist as Illidan, Thrall or Kerrigan for example. 

I think Alarak strenght lies in teamfight. If Alarak pick second ultimate at lvl 20 then can Charge in the fight and try hits many enemy heroes as possible (at maps like get Punisher, Immortal and more) then Counter-Strike right after. Alarak have pretty high damage ultime and his strenght lies in ability that hit enemys heroes. So it can be be worth pick second ultime when playing Alarak. Alarak is unique assassin compare with other assassins. Alarak is actually pure Assassin that focus is on killing other team heros. And Alarak is one strongest on ganks other hero. But also it can easy get backfire and get gank as Alarak.

I hope my english wasnt so bad, if so I am very sorry :-( 

The Butcher and Illidan can both be annoying to deal with on Alarak. When facing The Butcher, Counter-Strike does seem like a good idea; however, I am not sure it would be very effective against Illidan. I will need to consider this and pick into Illidan this week in order to gather the necessary information; it does seem Illidan may belong on the counter list. 

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New change with Zarya Patch for Alarak are not big change. But Counter Strike now making Alarak Unstoppable and with increased damage can do 550 damage AoE front of Alarak. Which I think making a bit more viable take two Ultime ability. Then Alaraks strenght lies in ability damage against enemys heroes like a mage.

Counter Strike is now much better in teamfight there before the patch can be hard do damage because not only enemy heroes need to attack you but also can be countred by some crowd control which cancel Counter Strike before. 

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18 hours ago, Guest Phenom said:

New change with Zarya Patch for Alarak are not big change. But Counter Strike now making Alarak Unstoppable and with increased damage can do 550 damage AoE front of Alarak. Which I think making a bit more viable take two Ultime ability. Then Alaraks strenght lies in ability damage against enemys heroes like a mage.

Counter Strike is now much better in teamfight there before the patch can be hard do damage because not only enemy heroes need to attack you but also can be countred by some crowd control which cancel Counter Strike before. 

Counter-Strike is much more useful now that it also makes Alarak Unstoppable. I feel like it is a great option, and I take it much more often than I did before. I am very happy to see this change. :)

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On 2/10/2017 at 10:07 PM, Guest Farbas said:

The build should indicate if we should take Deadly Charge or Counter Strike first

I believe it does. You only take the double ult for the second build. The first build focuses on resets using Hasty Bargain.

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On 12/02/2017 at 10:50 AM, Blainie said:

I believe it does. You only take the double ult for the second build. The first build focuses on resets using Hasty Bargain.

Sure, but that wasn't my question. In the build where you take both ults, which one should we take at lvl 10 and which one can wait until lvl 20?

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1 hour ago, Farbas said:

Sure, but that wasn't my question. In the build where you take both ults, which one should we take at lvl 10 and which one can wait until lvl 20?

It depends on the team compositions. If you have no heroes that can start a teamfight, picking Deadly ChargeDeadly Charge is often better, especially on maps where you expect to see teamfights early on. If you feel like you'll need more survivability before you hit level 20, or if you already have enough team engaging heroes, Counter-StrikeCounter-Strike is usually better.
The build itself recommends taking Counter-StrikeCounter-Strike first. I rarely find myself in position where Counter-StrikeCounter-Strike would be required, so I pick Deadly ChargeDeadly Charge most of the time.
So, to sum this up - pick what you feel is better for given situation (or a skill you are more comfortable with), and if you have no idea what to pick, take Counter-StrikeCounter-Strike.

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8 hours ago, Guest XeaKon said:

I think the discord strike build would benefit more from talents that increase the range and push of telekinesis and also increase the silence duration

.https://www.icy-veins.com/heroes/talent-calculator/alarak#24.0!2111124

I feel like taking the talents that aim to buff the range/push are essentially just making up for one of two situations: either you are chasing an enemy after a fight that has likely already been won, or you aren't positioning yourself well enough to engage. I'm sure the build does work, but I don't think the talents are worth taking unless you are really struggling to get decent picks with the current build.

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Many of alarak's values are incorrect. Such as his healing on sustained power is 40% not 25%, Negatively channeled gives a base 150 and continually 3% not 200% and 5%. There are quite a few more inconsistencies in his talents.

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4 hours ago, Guest Lt.Grapefruit said:

Many of alarak's values are incorrect. Such as his healing on sustained power is 40% not 25%, Negatively channeled gives a base 150 and continually 3% not 200% and 5%. There are quite a few more inconsistencies in his talents.

The tooltips are out of date - the tooltip bot must have messed up, thanks for pointing it out.

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      Abilities Shadow Charge (Q) Range increased from 7 to 8.5. Mana cost increased from 60 to 70. Damage reduced from 75 to 40. Terrain collision damage reduced from 150 to 120. No longer grants Armor. Now also increases Movement Speed by 15% for 2 seconds. Fire Stomp (W) Now unleashes fire waves in a large cone in the chosen direction, rather than a 360° area around Diablo. Number of fire waves reduced from 8 to 5. Multiple fire waves can now hit the same target. Cooldown increased from 6 to 8 seconds. Mana cost reduced from 40 to 30. Outgoing fire wave damage reduced from 54 to 12. Returning fire wave damage reduced from 81 to 36. Damage dealt by returning fire waves now counts as critical damage. Now Heals Diablo for 125% of the damage dealt to Heroes. Overpower (E) Mana cost reduced from 60 to 40. Lightning Breath (R) Range increased from 10.5 to 12. Each tick of Lightning Breath damage now also Slows enemies hit by 5% for 2 seconds, up to a maximum of 50%. Talents Level 1 New Talent: Feast on Fear (Passive) Stunning an enemy Hero with Shadow Charge or Overpower Heals Diablo for 15% of his maximum Health over 4 seconds. Soul Shield (Active) Moved from Level 7. New functionality: Activate to gain Spell Armor equal to 25 plus 50% of Diablo's current Souls for 4 seconds. 60 second cooldown. Every time Diablo damages an enemy Hero, reduce this cooldown by 1 second. Bulwark (Q) Removed. Level 4 New Talent: Sacrificial Soul (Q) Stunning an enemy Hero with Shadow Charge grants 5 Souls and 15 Armor for 4 seconds. While at 100 Souls, increase this Armor to 30. New Talent: Souls to the Flame (W) Fire Stomp grants 1 Soul every 3 times it damages an enemy Hero and Heals for an additional 1.25% of its damage dealt per Soul. Life Leech (Passive) Moved from Level 1. New functionality: Diablo gains 1 Soul and Heals for 1.5% of his maximum Health for every Basic Attack against an enemy Hero. While at 100 Souls, increase this Healing to 3% of his maximum Health. From the Shadows (Q) Removed. Speed Demon (Passive) Removed. Demonic Strength (E) Removed. Level 7 New Talent: Eternal Flames (W) When Diablo Stuns an enemy Hero with Overpower or Shadow Charge, Fire Stomp’s cooldown is reset. Malevolence (Passive) Using Basic Abilities causes Diablo’s next Basic Attack within 6 seconds to deal an additional 100 Spell Damage. Stores up to 2 charges. Soul Feast (Trait) Removed. Diabolical Momentum (Passive) Basic Attacks now also reduce Fire Stomp’s cooldown. Cooldown reduction granted per Basic Attack decreased from 1.5 to 0.75 seconds. Level 13 Devastating Charge (Q) Adjusted functionality: Now increases Shadow Charge’s terrain collision damage by 100%, rather than a percentage of the target’s maximum Health. Quest: Each time an enemy Hero takes terrain collision damage, increase this bonus by 15%, to a maximum of 75%. New Talent: Cruelty (Passive) Stunning an enemy Hero with Shadow Charge or Overpower increases Diablo's Attack Speed by 50% for 5 seconds, up to 100%. Hellfire (W) New functionality: Each enemy Hero hit by Fire Stomp grants 2% Spell Power for 10 seconds, up to 30%. Fire Devil (W) Removed. Level 16 Debilitating Flames (W) New functionality: Enemy Heroes hit by Fire Stomp are Slowed by 5% for 4 seconds, up to 50%. Heroes Slowed 25% or more by Debilitating Flames deal 50% less damage. New Talent: Overpowering Nightmare (E) Gain 2 additional charges of Overpower, with a 2 second cooldown between uses. Fearful Presence (Active) Removed. Level 20 Dying Breath (R) Now reduces Apocalypse’s cooldown by 20 seconds per enemy Hero hit (to a minimum total cooldown of 5 seconds), rather than reducing its cooldown by a static amount. Hellstorm (R) No longer increases Lightning Breath’s range. Bonus duration increased from 50% to 200%. Lord of Terror (Active) Now also grants 5 Souls per enemy Hero hit. LEVEL (TIER) DIABLO TALENTS 1 (1) Feast on Fear (Passive) Devil’s Due (Trait) Soul Shield (Trait) — 4 (2) Sacrificial Soul (Q) Souls to the Flame (W) Life Leech (Passive) — 7 (3) Eternal Flames (W) Malevolence (Passive) Diabolical Momentum (Passive) — 10 (4) Apocalypse (R) Lightning Breath (R) — — 13 (5) Devastating Charge (Q) Cruelty (Passive) Hellfire (W) — 16 (6) Domination (E) Debilitating Flames (W) Overpowering Nightmare (E) — 20 (7) Dying Breath (R) Hellstorm (R) Lord of Terror (Active) Hellgate (Active) (!) indicates a Questing Talent. Italic text indicates a NEW Talent. Underlined text indicates a MOVED Talent. Collection
      New Bundles Sun’s Out, Guns Out event items have returned for the duration of the Nexomania event! Add them to your collection by opening Nexomania Loot Chests or purchasing the Sun’s Out 2017 Bundle. The following new bundles are available for a limited time! Hell’s Screamers Bundle Match of the Century Bundle Sun’s Out 2017 Bundle New Announcer El Guapo New Skins
      Diablo El Chamuco Diablo Underworld Chamuco Diablo Hell’s Screamer Diablo E.T.C. El Mariachi E.T.C. Underworld Mariachi E.T.C. Festival Mariachi E.T.C. Garrosh El Jefe Garrosh El Fuego Garrosh Underworld Jefe Garrosh Kharazim Dropkick Kharazim Champion Dropkick Kharazim Dropdead Kharazim Lunara La Parca Lunara La Catrina Lunara Los Muertos Lunara Sonya La Pantera Sonya La Pantera Dorada Sonya Underworld Pantera Sonya New Mounts
      Luchihuahua Hell's Screamer Luchihuahua Underworld Luchihuahua Pigñata Hell's Screamer Pigñata Lucha Pigñata Bug Fixes
      General Fixed a number of typo and tooltip errors across several aspects of the game. A.I. General: After casting Hearthstone, A.I. Heroes will now wait in the Hall of Storms to restore most of their Health and Mana before leaving. D.Va: Fixed an issue that prevented A.I. D.Va from casting Boosters. Deckard: Learning Bottomless Flask no longer causes Allied A.I. Heroes to remain near a Healing Potion’s location indefinitely. Sgt. Hammer: A.I. Sgt. Hammer will no longer become stuck in a Vent behind the opposing bottom-lane Fort on Battlefield of Eternity. The Butcher: Fixed an issue in which A.I. Butcher would repeatedly cast and then cancel Ruthless Onslaught. The Butcher: Fixed an issue that prevented A.I. Butcher from casting Butcher’s Brand. Heroes, Abilities, and Talents
      Artanis: The Target Purified Talent no longer causes Purifier Beam to acquire Invulnerable targets after its initial target dies. Chromie: Time Traps revealed by Abilities like Tassadar’s Oracle can now be correctly auto-acquired as Basic Attack targets. Fenix: The Talent tooltips for Singularity Charge and Mobile Offense now correctly append to the Ability tooltip for Weapon Mode: Phase Bomb. Garrosh: Casting Into the Fray on Abathur now correctly interrupts Symbiote Channeling. Genji: A damage over time preview now correctly appears in Genji’s Health bar when affected by Lunara’s Nature’s Toxin. Johanna: Can no longer escape Zagara’s Devouring Maw early if Iron Skin expires while inside the Maw. Junkrat: Can now move himself while he is Unstoppable by detonating a nearby Concussion Mine. Malfurion: Reduced Healing applied by Strangling Vines now correctly lasts for its full 3 second duration, even if Entangling Roots expires or its Root effect is removed. Medivh: Dying while attempting to redirect Ley Line Seal after learning Medivh Cheats! no longer causes its targeting indicator to visually persist on the terrain. Nova: Fixed an issue that could cause Holo Decoys to stop attacking nearby targets. Nova: Fixed an issue in which Holo Decoys would not Basic Attack enemy Heroes if Nova did not have enough Mana to cast any of her Abilities. Nova: Armor reductions granted by Anti-Armor Shells and Crippling Shot now stack correctly when applied to the same target. Sonya: Battle Rage no longer grants bonus damage versus Monsters. Tassadar: Plasma Shield Healing done after completing the Khaydarin Resonance quest is now correctly tracked on the in-game stats screen (TAB). Tassadar: The Talent tooltip for Khala’s Light now correctly states that only Heroes will gain Armor when Plasma Shield expires or breaks. This was only a tooltip correction; functionality has not been changed. Thrall: Invulnerable Heroes who are within bounce range after casting Chain Lightning on a nearby target will no longer grant Crash Lightning quest progress. The Lost Vikings: Casting Spin to Win! no longer causes offscreen Vikings to play false “under attack” voice lines. Zul’jin: Using Guillotine with the Buzzsaw Talent to kill Nova’s Holo Decoys or Samuro’s Mirror Images no longer grants Healing. Sound
      Lt. Morales: Replaced incorrect voice processing for voice lines used by the base Lt. Morales and First Lt. Morales skins. Volskaya Foundry: Achieving victory will now correctly cause Overwatch-themed music to play. User Interface
      Loadouts: The Hero’s name at the top of the Loadout pane will now update correctly when switching among Heroes during Hero Select. Collection: Fenix now correctly appears when using the terms “Protoss” and “Dragoon” to filter the Hero roster.  
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    • By Stan
      The free Hero rotation has been updated for the week of May 22.
      Free-to-Play Hero Rotation: May 22, 2018
      Malfurion Valla Gazlowe Johanna Thrall Dehaka Blaze Lt. Morales Li-Ming Gul'dan Tyrande (Slot unlocked at Player Level 5) Sylvanas (Slot unlocked at Player Level 10) Junkrat (Slot unlocked at Player Level 15) Chen (Slot unlocked at Player Level 20) (Source)