wow Rextroy Banned for a Month - Update: Unbanned!

[PatrickHenry 293]

23 hours ago, Allseye said:

While this is a creative way, it's absolutely an abuse on purpose and therefore an exploit.

I could link the google definition of exploit, but he definitely didnt EXPLOIT anything.  
Even the blue post says he does a great job of assisting them with bugs, AND that it was totally an error on their part.

Edited September 26, 2018 by PatrickHenry

[Allseye 96]

1 hour ago, PatrickHenry said:

I could link the google definition of exploit, but he definitely didnt EXPLOIT anything.  
Even the blue post says he does a great job of assisting them with bugs, AND that it was totally an error on their part.

Of course it is. This is not a simple "error on accident". He used mechanics on purpose in an unusual way to get an unfairly advandage. If this isnt an exploit, well then i really have no idea how we should call it ?

[Valantia 1]

There is a huge oversight here. He posted the video after the bug had been fixed. Everyone on here is chastising him for using an exploit. The guy uses creative methods to locate and identify bugs. He then reports them to Blizzard to fix. After they fix it he uploads a video showcasing the exploit. I don't see anything wrong with this. Simply showing what could have been a huge problem and how he helped the devs by locating a serious issue. It's not like he shows everyone how to use it before it gets fixed. 

[PatrickHenry 293]

20 minutes ago, Allseye said:

If this isnt an exploit, well then i really have no idea how we should call it

Okay, he told the devs of the issue, made a video of it, and WAITED to post it until AFTER it was verified fixed...

If he's using that as an early advantage (then telling them he is doing so?) he is probably the worst "exploiter" in the history of the word. 

Blues even said he was helpful with it and it was a total error on their part.

What more do you want?  Literally, what more?

 

[Allseye 96]

13 minutes ago, PatrickHenry said:

Okay, he told the devs of the issue, made a video of it, and WAITED to post it until AFTER it was verified fixed...

If he's using that as an early advantage (then telling them he is doing so?) he is probably the worst "exploiter" in the history of the word. 

Blues even said he was helpful with it and it was a total error on their part.

What more do you want?  Literally, what more?

 

Wait, i'm talking about the action itself and do not take into account any circumstances. I do not say it was not helpful for devs. What he did is not something you do by accident. Its an abuse of a mechanic, or you dont think so? An exploit is not justified by reporting it. Its absolutely helpful to report it, but it stays what it is: an exploit. 

I do not speak for the whole community, this are just my 2 cents about it. 

[PatrickHenry 293]

1 hour ago, Allseye said:

An exploit is not justified by reporting it. Its absolutely helpful to report it, but it stays what it is: an exploit. 

Of course it is.  Because he's not "just reporting it."

The best analogy i can think of is taking another event completely at face value and ignoring any and all supporting evidence.  Example:

Man shoots another man - "murder"
1) man #2 was acting violently, repeatedly beating people and threatening others - probably completely justified because of accompanying events

2) ignore all events and just call it murder because someone was killed and the 'action isnt justified based on intentions/events surrounding it.'

You absolutely HAVE to take into account what he did, because it completely negates any malice, which is required for it to be an exploit.  It has to be.  Otherwise it negates the entire purpose of 'exploit' having its own definition.  

A)  He made blizz aware of it first
B) had no intention or actually made any worthy gains from it.
C) waited to do anything AT ALL with it until blizz DID fix it
D) showed people what was up AFTER everything happened
E) Blues even ACKNOWLEDGE you all saying he's somehow in the wrong, ARE WRONG.  They know what he was doing and are perfectly okay with it - only you guys arent because youre taking the whole story at face value (as you even put it yourself), or willfully ignoring that even the devs are HAPPY with what he's doing.

 

Edited September 26, 2018 by PatrickHenry

[Allseye 96]

3 hours ago, PatrickHenry said:

Of course it is.  Because he's not "just reporting it."

The best analogy i can think of is taking another event completely at face value and ignoring any and all supporting evidence.  Example:

Man shoots another man - "murder"
1) man #2 was acting violently, repeatedly beating people and threatening others - probably completely justified because of accompanying events

2) ignore all events and just call it murder because someone was killed and the 'action isnt justified based on intentions/events surrounding it.'

You absolutely HAVE to take into account what he did, because it completely negates any malice, which is required for it to be an exploit.  It has to be.  Otherwise it negates the entire purpose of 'exploit' having its own definition.  

A)  He made blizz aware of it first
B) had no intention or actually made any worthy gains from it.
C) waited to do anything AT ALL with it until blizz DID fix it
D) showed people what was up AFTER everything happened
E) Blues even ACKNOWLEDGE you all saying he's somehow in the wrong, ARE WRONG.  They know what he was doing and are perfectly okay with it - only you guys arent because youre taking the whole story at face value (as you even put it yourself), or willfully ignoring that even the devs are HAPPY with what he's doing.

 

I think thats the point, I'm not with you in your exemple :-). Comit a crime is not justified due to another crime.  Murder is a murder, the action stays what it is. It might seem "righteous", but to achiev something "fair" or "good" does not justyfie to do something wrong. But its absolutely ok if you have another opinion, we just seem to have different ethical values or moral concepts. I do understand your point of view and i dont judge it as wrong. I just fully understand why he got a ban, even if a blue posts state somerhing else. Its still argueable why he got it. 

 

[PatrickHenry 293]

On 9/26/2018 at 5:22 PM, Allseye said:

I think thats the point, I'm not with you in your exemple :-). Comit a crime is not justified due to another crime.  Murder is a murder, the action stays what it is.

Oh i completely agree, its what defines the crime however that matters.  

In my example it wasnt a murder, because the causal events clearly indicate self-defense.

In this ban case, his events surrounding it clearly indicate he wanted no gain from the event, nor meant any harm when it happened.  Blizzard (the 'victim' in this case) said as much!  If anything he was virtually acting as an employee by doing a great job at finding an issue and reporting it to them.  

If it hadnt gone on youtube literally none of this would have happened, and nobody here would think he was some 'cheater' who deserved a ban.

[JJ77 20]

A  victory for common sense. EU lack of communication with US devs results in unfair action. They realise their mistake and right a wrong.