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Metzen Really Wanted Naga as a Playable Race in Vanilla

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Patch 8.2, the Rise of Azshara, is coming soon and the Naga play a central role in it, obviously, but it seems they were supposed to play a bigger role a long, long time ago as well. Mark Kern, team lead for Vanilla WoW, recently talked about playable races that were planned for the original game's launch (while playing the Classic beta/stress test, quite appropriately), and that there were initially supposed to be around 20 of them! They quickly realized they had to be more realistic about their content plans so that number went down fast, but apparently Chris Metzen was really disappointed the Naga didn't make the cut.

They were one of the first races to go due to their home being underwater and, ironically enough, because their tails caused a lot of clipping issues. Kern talks about the Naga for around 5 minutes and mentions they were mostly just looking for excuses to be able to let Metzen down easily, since he really wanted them in.

Depending on how 8.2 and the final patch of Battle for Azeroth play out, there may actually be a possibility of the Naga returning as a playable race option, especially with the recent big push for allied races (and the lack of clipping concerns), perhaps leaderless as Azshara may be going away, one way or another. If Sethrak are an actual possibility for an allied race, there's really no reason the Naga should be far behind!

Source: r/wow.

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I really hope they do.  Like the Demon Hunter class during Legion, now (or more accurately, post Azshara,) is the PERFECT time to get them in as a race.  

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Yeah, their main issue is the tail instead of legs, also the fact that females have four hands and males got weird heads. Too much additional work on armor required. They wouldn't fit on most mounts, sitting on something like horses, wolves etc., but also how would they fit inside machines (like Lightforged Warframe)? No reason for any of them to join Alliance or Horde, especially when it was established that they are doing Old God's bidding.

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45 minutes ago, Arcling said:

Yeah, their main issue is the tail instead of legs, also the fact that females have four hands and males got weird heads. Too much additional work on armor required. They wouldn't fit on most mounts, sitting on something like horses, wolves etc., but also how would they fit inside machines (like Lightforged Warframe)? No reason for any of them to join Alliance or Horde, especially when it was established that they are doing Old God's bidding.

Well the joining thing is easily solvable, rogue Naga faction that wants to break free join us etc etc. I mean that's literally what the Dranei are.

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27 minutes ago, Starym said:

Well the joining thing is easily solvable, rogue Naga faction that wants to break free join us etc etc. I mean that's literally what the Dranei are.

True, they could always do that but draenei/eredar are a race on their own. Naga were a night elves mutated by Old Gods and they are bound to their service. Chronicle kinda established that all they did throughout Warcraft was "the call of Old Gods", though in-game representation doesn't really match this. Unless we free them, I guess then they could have a reason to join.

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34 minutes ago, Arcling said:

I guess then they could have a reason to join.

Kick N´zoths bottom back to the bottom of the sea and you´ll perhaps see the naga being abit more friendly 🙂

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2 hours ago, Arcling said:

Yeah, their main issue is the tail instead of legs, also the fact that females have four hands and males got weird heads. Too much additional work on armor required. They wouldn't fit on most mounts, sitting on something like horses, wolves etc., but also how would they fit inside machines (like Lightforged Warframe)? No reason for any of them to join Alliance or Horde, especially when it was established that they are doing Old God's bidding.

Great questions!! They would not only need new rigs (like the kul tirans) but would also need new casting animations. 

I honestly wonder what a naga mount would like - chariot or something would be my guess.

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8 hours ago, Arcling said:

Yeah, their main issue is the tail instead of legs, also the fact that females have four hands and males got weird heads. Too much additional work on armor required. They wouldn't fit on most mounts, sitting on something like horses, wolves etc., but also how would they fit inside machines (like Lightforged Warframe)? No reason for any of them to join Alliance or Horde, especially when it was established that they are doing Old God's bidding.

you mean like all the ones that serve under illidan in the illidari?

also the tail these days is a super easy fix, gertting them on mounts is as easy as side saddle

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They could just make the be in "worgen mount form" as naga ofc when "mounted" so, and about armor, they could just remove "show head" for male nagas or something. ez , pretty sure alot of ppl would give up mounts and headslot to be able to play naga.

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12 hours ago, Plaguestorm said:

you mean like all the ones that serve under illidan in the illidari?

Yeah, that's an issue. They retconned this stuff in chronicle. Vashj didn't answer Illidan's call herself, but Old Gods told her to do so, because it would serve their plans. It conflicts with what was shown in game, because Vashj has been shown as very loyal to Illidan (and some naga remaining with Illidari even after her death, it doesn't make sense now).

"The naga did not come because of the history they shared with the former night elf, nor did they respect his demonic power. They came because the Old Gods willed it and they sent them to make sure his campaign against the Lich King succeeded so that it could spark a new war on Azeroth. If the former night elf became troublesome, they could simply command the naga to cut out his fel-corrupted heart."

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I think this race-thing is getting really out of control. Nowadays as soon a new race enters the game or an older race is in the spotlight people are demanding they should be playable, no matter if it doesn't fit lorewise at all. I get people would like to play as a Naga, but it really wouldn't fit the lore at all. Are people really expecting them to go 'Oh, we're fishy-friends now after everything!' after defeating N'Zoth/Azshara?

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6 hours ago, Pandabuffel said:

I think this race-thing is getting really out of control. Nowadays as soon a new race enters the game or an older race is in the spotlight people are demanding they should be playable, no matter if it doesn't fit lorewise at all. I get people would like to play as a Naga, but it really wouldn't fit the lore at all. Are people really expecting them to go 'Oh, we're fishy-friends now after everything!' after defeating N'Zoth/Azshara?

Um, you do realize there are a LOT of Naga out there right? I understand WoW is fantasy and all but thinking that every single member of a race is the same is just really really silly. And even if Blizzard did state every single Naga is a minion of the old gods in some 11th retcon, that makes no sense whatsoever as we have countless in-lore examples of rogue factions of "evil" races that are fighting the bad guys or siding with the good guys. Just because they are not specifically mentioned anywhere doesn't mean they don't/can't exist.
The lore is the smallest issue there is for Naga.

Just like Farondis went against Azshara I'm sure there are plenty of Naga that eventually rebelled as well, or at the very least will do so once she gets slapped in her palace raid.

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I think giving them the worgen treatment is an easy fix if you want playable naga. Give them a plainsrunning type ability for roleplay and maybe a seawalking racial for waterwalking and a faster swim speed and we could see a lot of them. Maybe go so far as to give them an elven form for riding  mounts  and you are half way to workable naga in game.

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TBH when Blizzard was thinking of introducing the idea of allied races the Naga where the first to pop into my head.  And it was the flashback of the Warcraft III campaign where you guided Illidan with the aid of the Naga.  Thought it would be really interesting if these could be a playable race and was contemplating on armor design and available class design; the given would be Warrior, Mage, Warlock, possibly Rogue and Hunter and Priest....then later Blizzard opted to use races that were introduced in the Legion Expansion: The Nightborne, Highmountain Tauren, The Lightforged Dranei, and the Void Elves.

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On 5/31/2019 at 11:26 AM, Starym said:

there may actually be a possibility of the Naga returning as a playable race option

I really want Naga as a playable allied race for the Alliance and the Redeemed Reddish Eredar as an allied race for the Horde.

I'm calling it :p! For a long time now haha!

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On 6/1/2019 at 3:09 PM, Starym said:

The lore is the smallest issue there is for Naga.

I agree.  The lore is a minor obstacle.  Retconning is a thing and has been done in the past with way more than a motivation for something.

IMO graphical issues and such with transmog are much more real-world reasons.  

However they've said at some point they willl be able to hide everything except pants, in which case perma=hidden gear slots on Naga or something similar would just as easily fix it.

Disallowing certain mounts as well, but I think that would be a very tricky route.  

IDK, i just hope they figure it out because theyve been around long enough.  Should be available as a neutral panda-style race.

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