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Eternal Palace Day 8: Limit Push to New Phase on Azshara, 8 Guilds on 7/8

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US/OC reset day saw a couple more Za'qul kills and Limit re-clearing back to Azshara, and almost immediately getting one of their lower % tries so far, followed by the best try overall. JTH pushed really hard and managed to overtake Method in raw %, as three new guilds started their own journey on the final boss.

First off we gained more candidates for that potential World First, as Alpha, Aversion and FatSharkYes managed to down that huge Za'hurdle and claimed spots 6-8 on 7/8. We now have 4 guilds from the EU, 3 from Asia and 1 from the US progressing on Queen Azshara, with the Asian guilds once again putting in an amazing performance, as they have one more day until their reset.

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Ji Tian Hong specifically had a huge day of progress, as they managed to pass Method and get the Queen down to 58%, 2% lower than Method and only 6% more than Limit at the time. The guild has so far been on point with their clear speed, on par with Method's and with this new push on day 8 they've staked their claim as a definite contender for World First, certainly in the same league as Limit and Method.

Method spent the day exhausting their Heroic splits to maximize their gear for this reset, along with some (comparatively) light Azshara pull action, as the EU reset arrives very soon. Limit's reset had already occurred and they went through the raid relatively without incident, taking a dozen or so tries on Lady Ashvane and a few breaks to do Heroic splits before Za'qul, to arrive at Azshara once more around 2 hours before their usual raid end. The second pull of the new reset on her was damn impressive already, with a 53%er, only 1% off their very best try at that point. With Method's reset coming up, however, Limit may have purposefully slow-rolled their Mythic re-clear and peppered it with Heroic splits, specifically to deny Method any additional information before the EU reset. If Limit had just rushed back to Azshara and had half a raid day to progress on her, they'd have to go with their best strategy or they'd simply be wasting too much time - as it turned out, however, they just did a a couple of hours worth of pulls as they arrived at her late, and possibly still kept some secrets regarding either composition or strategy to themselves, so Method wouldn't have that info during their Mythic re-clear, which would determine their gear distribution there.

Despite all that, however, they did stay up a little longer than usual, managing to beat their previous best by some 2%, in this 49.8% try, on pull No. 219. Breaking the 50% barrier gave them a big new piece of information, namely that the adds enrage under 50% instead of under 40 as expected, casting twice as fast:


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And so the EU reset is here, with the Asia one still being around half a day away, and when all three guilds from all three regions are finally caught up to the re-clears and Heroic splits for this week, we'll see just how far they can get the final boss of the Palace down. Limit are almost certain to finally pull out all the stops and go hardcore at the Queen later today, as they've practiced plenty and it's now time for some proper progress. Method should be at that same point in the evening, and we might see some serious percentage drops then. Meanwhile, JTH will also be going at it very hard, albeit with only the first week's worth of gear, but they've shown tremendous dedication and skill, so they might just catch up to even Limit, despite their disadvantage.

In closing, let's just take a look at where all the Azshara guilds stand at the moment, %-wise:

  • Limit: 49.8%
  • Ji Tian Hong: 58%
  • Method 60.2%
  • Pieces 64.4%
  • Alpha: 88%
  • Aversion: 92.1%
  • FatShakYes: 93.6%

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They really do need to make the reset days the same, or measure world first by the time taken to kill from launch, not just the day. If there were more US guilds at Limit's level, there would be a huge advantage. As it is, being able to take the day to do hc splits and mythic re clear before properly progressing queen is also an advantage since they'll have the gear without time lost, gaining a day essentially without losing tactical info.

It also puts JTH and their region at a real disadvantage and likely to never get a world first unless it's counted as time from launch in their zone. Is there a way to track that? And then see if the table changes?

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3 hours ago, Bobbis said:

They really do need to make the reset days the same

Same reset day? Yes, maybe. But that would just shift the advantage in favor of Asian/OC guilds, although it would shorten the gap between regions. And obviously we will never see a simultanous world-wide reset since that would mean someone somewhere gets their reset during prime raid time. You can't screw the majority of your player base in a region over just to make the race """fair""".

The thing is, if the reset time was really that important, they all could just play on NA servers. The ping doesn't seem to be too much of  a handicap, considering Limit is currently sitting in London, playing on NA servers.

3 hours ago, Bobbis said:

It also puts JTH and their region at a real disadvantage and likely to never get a world first

I would agree with you if gear was the only reason why Azshara still lives. But Limit barely made it past 50% so I doubt she will die before the end of the week, and JTH are only 8% behind. Everything is still possible at this point.

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9 hours ago, Bobbis said:

They really do need to make the reset days the same, or measure world first by the time taken to kill from launch, not just the day. If there were more US guilds at Limit's level, there would be a huge advantage. As it is, being able to take the day to do hc splits and mythic re clear before properly progressing queen is also an advantage since they'll have the gear without time lost, gaining a day essentially without losing tactical info.

It also puts JTH and their region at a real disadvantage and likely to never get a world first unless it's counted as time from launch in their zone. Is there a way to track that? And then see if the table changes?

It is speculated there will be heavy changes to the realm system and content release schedule from 9.0, but probably not before that. Timezones are a huge problem though - you can roll out the new raid at the same time all over the world, but can you give the same level of support? And even if you can - is it worth it for just 3-4 competitive guild in a world region? I mean an average guild probably won't start progressing a raid opening at 03:00 AM, it's really a question worth considering only from a world-first race point of view. If Blizzard wants to add it to their WoW esport roster next to MDI and arena, I'm sure it will be done in the future.

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You also have the advantage on some of the bugs and such being worked out before you start raiding on a later restart. It does help to cancel some of the head start for the other regions. 

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On 7/24/2019 at 7:14 PM, Badadada said:

It is speculated there will be heavy changes to the realm system and content release schedule from 9.0, but probably not before that. Timezones are a huge problem though - you can roll out the new raid at the same time all over the world, but can you give the same level of support? And even if you can - is it worth it for just 3-4 competitive guild in a world region? I mean an average guild probably won't start progressing a raid opening at 03:00 AM, it's really a question worth considering only from a world-first race point of view. If Blizzard wants to add it to their WoW esport roster next to MDI and arena, I'm sure it will be done in the future.

 

On 7/24/2019 at 1:10 PM, jinsu2301 said:

Same reset day? Yes, maybe. But that would just shift the advantage in favor of Asian/OC guilds, although it would shorten the gap between regions. And obviously we will never see a simultanous world-wide reset since that would mean someone somewhere gets their reset during prime raid time. You can't screw the majority of your player base in a region over just to make the race """fair""".

The thing is, if the reset time was really that important, they all could just play on NA servers. The ping doesn't seem to be too much of  a handicap, considering Limit is currently sitting in London, playing on NA servers.

I would agree with you if gear was the only reason why Azshara still lives. But Limit barely made it past 50% so I doubt she will die before the end of the week, and JTH are only 8% behind. Everything is still possible at this point.

I agree it's not an easy one, given the time zone issue as well. As posting on day 11/12, there's been some heavier nerfs on the queen and we're now seeing 5% for Method, and sub 20% for Limit, didn't see a mention of JTH, think they're sleeping. Gear wasn't the reason I thought it unfair on them, they have shown they're as capable as the others, but with a 2 day gap to catch up on, it's a bit of a disadvantage, although they do get to see the tactics and comps due to streaming.

 

I read somewhere about a possible competitive server, to allow all those on the cutting edge to have the same timings and lockouts, and at the time thought it'd be a good idea, if hard to manage the time side of things. Not sure if it was just someone's wierd dream though... 

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1 hour ago, Bobbis said:

I read somewhere about a possible competitive server, to allow all those on the cutting edge to have the same timings and lockouts, and at the time thought it'd be a good idea, if hard to manage the time side of things. Not sure if it was just someone's wierd dream though... 

that's why I put """fair""" into massive air quotes. if you want a truly level playing field, you need to give everyone the same gear and ressources similiar to the MDI. in my opinion, that would completely take away major parts of the RWF, like the weeks of preperation and the gearing before and during the raid.

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4 hours ago, jinsu2301 said:

that's why I put """fair""" into massive air quotes. if you want a truly level playing field, you need to give everyone the same gear and ressources similiar to the MDI. in my opinion, that would completely take away major parts of the RWF, like the weeks of preperation and the gearing before and during the raid.

Ah but then would you have True, not always what you ask for haha I don't think all having the same gear works, since people perform better in different ways. 

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