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Hey Seliathan, thanks for your guide. I'm new to rogue and Assassination and it helped me a lot.

 

If I have missed it somewhere, I am sorry. But could you get a little rundown of what I have to look out for when playing with Doomblade or Dashing Scoundrel?

I assume the energy reg from Dashing is only triggered from crits, while the Envenom DoT is running on the target? If so, I'd need to keep Envenom on all mobs in a pack, for example, right?

With Doomblade on the other hand... Open with Garrote/Subterfuge, maintain Rupture on X targets, and then spread the Mutilate DoT? Also Crimson Tempest counts towards the Envenom bonus - so prioritize Envenom on the focus target?

And if I'm not missing anything, there wouldn't be anything changing in single target. Keeping everything up as best as possible. Right?

 

Sorry if these questions are dumb. I'm just super unsure about which legendary to pick. Assassination feels kinda slow at times, due to downtime from lack of energy. So I thought Dashing might get rid of that. Or it might go away with better gear/more haste?

Thanks in advance!

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2 hours ago, everlong said:

Hey Seliathan, thanks for your guide. I'm new to rogue and Assassination and it helped me a lot.

 

If I have missed it somewhere, I am sorry. But could you get a little rundown of what I have to look out for when playing with Doomblade or Dashing Scoundrel?

I assume the energy reg from Dashing is only triggered from crits, while the Envenom DoT is running on the target? If so, I'd need to keep Envenom on all mobs in a pack, for example, right?

With Doomblade on the other hand... Open with Garrote/Subterfuge, maintain Rupture on X targets, and then spread the Mutilate DoT? Also Crimson Tempest counts towards the Envenom bonus - so prioritize Envenom on the focus target?

And if I'm not missing anything, there wouldn't be anything changing in single target. Keeping everything up as best as possible. Right?

 

Sorry if these questions are dumb. I'm just super unsure about which legendary to pick. Assassination feels kinda slow at times, due to downtime from lack of energy. So I thought Dashing might get rid of that. Or it might go away with better gear/more haste?

Thanks in advance!

Hey everlong, thanks for your kind words, and I'm glad the guide was of help to you so far already!

Regarding your question: Envenom is a buff that you apply to yourself. As you correctly pointed out, when using Dashing Scoundrel, the energy gain benefit from your poisons only applies when you have this buff active, but any poison crit will trigger it as long as you have the Envenom buff active after casting it. It doesn't matter which target you cast it on, as you get the buff on your character :)

The DoT effect from Doomblade works very similar to a class like Mages Ignite, where the damage is calculated in a way that no matter how often or on how many targets you cast it, no damage will be lost. If you use Mutilate 3 times on the same target, the legendary effect will deal the same amount of damage as if you cast it on 3 different ones. As such you should always use it on your priority target. On AoE you should always maintain Crimson Tempest, and as you already said yourself, this does benefit your Envenom damage. Doomblade is most effective on single-target as you will still use Fan of Knives as a builder once you fight 4 or more targets, and at that point it is not worth using Mutilate anymore, meaning the benefit of the Doomblade legendary is severely diminished. 

On single-target nothing changes, except that there is no reason to use Crimson Tempest on single-target. While it does increase the damage of any individual Envenom, you're better off using these Combo Points to just cast more Envenoms altogether, as you will have higher uptime on the buff this way and generate more energy than if you were to use CT on single-target.

I hope this cleared things up for you a bit, feel free to ask any more questions you have. Remember, there's no such thing as a dumb question. We're here to help and happy to do so :)

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1 hour ago, Seliathan said:

Hey everlong, thanks for your kind words, and I'm glad the guide was of help to you so far already!

Regarding your question: Envenom is a buff that you apply to yourself. As you correctly pointed out, when using Dashing Scoundrel, the energy gain benefit from your poisons only applies when you have this buff active, but any poison crit will trigger it as long as you have the Envenom buff active after casting it. It doesn't matter which target you cast it on, as you get the buff on your character 🙂

The DoT effect from Doomblade works very similar to a class like Mages Ignite, where the damage is calculated in a way that no matter how often or on how many targets you cast it, no damage will be lost. If you use Mutilate 3 times on the same target, the legendary effect will deal the same amount of damage as if you cast it on 3 different ones. As such you should always use it on your priority target. On AoE you should always maintain Crimson Tempest, and as you already said yourself, this does benefit your Envenom damage. Doomblade is most effective on single-target as you will still use Fan of Knives as a builder once you fight 4 or more targets, and at that point it is not worth using Mutilate anymore, meaning the benefit of the Doomblade legendary is severely diminished. 

On single-target nothing changes, except that there is no reason to use Crimson Tempest on single-target. While it does increase the damage of any individual Envenom, you're better off using these Combo Points to just cast more Envenoms altogether, as you will have higher uptime on the buff this way and generate more energy than if you were to use CT on single-target.

I hope this cleared things up for you a bit, feel free to ask any more questions you have. Remember, there's no such thing as a dumb question. We're here to help and happy to do so 🙂

Oh no, I didn't read the tooltip right... I'm embarrassed! Thank you so much for your clarification!

I'll start again and read from the beginning, to ensure that I get everything right. I will also craft Dashing first. Now that I understood the basics of it, it sounds easier and more fun to me, and I don't care for the 1,5% less DPS.

Thanks again and have a great day! 😄

 

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Hello again! I want to ask if our DOT's Garrote, Rupture and Deadly Poison snapshot during Elaborate Planning like they do during Vendetta or they just benefit from the buff while it is active. I use Subterfuge and Vanish during Vendetta to reapply Garrote but I want to make sure I'm not missing on extra dps by not reapplying during an Elaborate Planning window which I usually use to spam Envenom

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Hey. Elaborate planning dynamically applies to all your damage, so while it is active everything will deal extra damage, and once the buff expires the numbers will be back to "normal" again. Generally speaking, snapshotting isn't really a thing anymore unless it is very specific circumstances like Subterfuge or Nightstalker, as these buff a single ability cast. Damage amplifications that are more generalized like Elaborate Planning, or Subtleties Symbols of Death, work dynamically during their duration, but cannot snapshot. 

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Guest Cloakd

Does Zoldyck increase the stat value of mastery? It seems strange to me that we increase our poison damage through legendries and conduits yet mastery and master poisoner talent is still valued low.

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Hey Cloakd.

The value of any poison or bleed related talents barely change depending on legendary choice. While MP does slightly gain over the alternative, it is not nearly enough to make up for that difference. At the end of the day, something like Elaborate Planning still effects your damage in execute too, or Blindside providing more Combo Points to maintain higher Envenom Uptime.

The same goes for secondary stats. Despite running Zoldyck, Mastery is still an undesirable stat, as all other secondaries simply increase your damage in a more comprehensive and meaningful way. As such you would still want to prioritize Crit+Haste for single-target.

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