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Need Help With Balance DPS

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Hey guys,

 

I am new to the balanced dps. usually feral but wanted to give this a try. I have tried multiple talent tree setup to find the best dps output. If you can help me out with what i am doing wrong, it would be awesome.

 

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I'd highly recommend you reading posts from other threads. There are a couple of similar threads and I can just copy-paste stuff from there, which would be mostly correct in your case. They will help you a lot :) 

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Pinkis right :) ..
Basicly you having issues with the basic stuff.

 

Checked gruul:
- Dont use Stellar Flare (Pre 6.1) for a single target fight => Euphoria

- Mondfire uptime 95 % - good

- Sunfire uptime 73% - bad

- Dont use Glyph of Celestial Alignment - It has none benefit

- Use CA 1 secound after Inc. You had 9 secounds in between

- Check the Guide and the other topics for the proper opener. You casted Moonfire, Starsurge and Starfire before CA.

- Use your 2nd Inc / CA . You only used CA twice

 

Oregorger almost the same as above

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Ok, thank you for the response guys. it didnt make sense to me at first to pop CA at the start but i found a post that explained why so that helped a lot. but i think what i really want to know is what talents i should be using... i read the information for it but i just dont know. if i use euporia, it stated that i would need to use soul of the forest. but then i see inc used on almost everything. also, most of these posts barely talk about stellar flare so im guessing that its not worth using?

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but i think what i really want to know is what talents i should be using... i read the information for it but i just dont know. if i use euporia, it stated that i would need to use soul of the forest. but then i see inc used on almost everything. also, most of these posts barely talk about stellar flare so im guessing that its not worth using?

 

Talents depend from Boss to Boss.

Yes, there is a lot of theory discussion about SotF. "You should SotF in this kind of fights and INC on other"...But to be honest. Thats just theoretically. For me only real numbers counts...and those numbers you can see at the Top Rankings of Warcraftlogs.

And those Top ranked Moonkins do all have INC.

A other fact is, that except for Gruul, there is no real 100& single target fight in Brf. At all other Bosses you will pop Starfall at a specific moment of the fight, thus making SotF ineffectiv.

For the tier7 talent it really depends what Boss you deal with. Especially since 6.1 and with 2pc of T17.

e.g.:

BoP or StelarFlare is a better Talent for Maidens than Euphoria.

Euphoria is better for Gruul and Oregorger.

 

 

The reason why most post barely talk about Stelar Flare is because it had been useless before 6.1. Patch is released now for almost a week. The amount of discussing about Stelar Flare will be increasing in the next days/weeks

Edited by Bonita

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Thank you Bonita. Although I still need to work on my stats priority as well as my rotation just a bit. I did ok with a few fights but still working on the aoe fights like Kromog. Tested BoP but the timing with the hands and solar eclipse just kills me... I also thought that Euphoria would be bad on Oregorgor since they are a lot of movement. I read on the guide and it stated that it would kill dps if there are a lot of movements... But if you recommend it, I will try it. 

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Hi Broloo,

yes stats prio is important. There is a general BIS-gearlist. Until you get those items, just try to upgrade your gear with Mastery items (without versality).

BoP is in my opinion not that good at Kromog, because he is singletarget fight. To handle hands you try to Sunfire-Dot every target available and Starfall... For the 2nd Hands you should use INC/CA and DOT, Starfall every hand.

 

the reason why Euphoria is best choice for Oregorger is, that real movement is only required while he is rolling looking for his ore.

And within this rolling phase you dont really need to move that much. The secret here is, that when this phase starts, you DOT und Starfall as many crates you get into target and then just stay in the center of the room and DPS Oregorger. You will have him in Line of Sight almost the entire phase.
Look at this replay: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9PajZfzgmybCNFwH#fight=7&view=replay

Start at time 1:40 (rolling phase start) and select Bonita in the lower right corner. Then just watch my DOT / Character on the map.You'll see what I mean :)

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Bonita... can i be your apprentice...? lol. so pretty much stack on mastery and any other stat besides versatility. i just need to do more lfr to get more confidence on my rotation then i can do normals to get the gear i need. heroic can only be done on my feral spec for now lol. one other question though, would it be ok to use pots the second before the fight starts with Inc? or just use it along with CA?

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hehe, lol, thanks Broloo smile.png

 

to answer your question:

Yes, use your very first pot 1-2 seconds before pull with INC before CA so you will be able to use one pot again later in that fight

 

My Opener looks like this:Singletarget

seconds till boss pull:
- 00:03  Inc
- 00:02  Pot
- 00:01  SS
Bosspull
00:00 CA + MF (macro)
00:01 Berserking + Shard of Nothing + Starfire (macro)
.... Starfire
.... SS

.... Starfire
etc etc

Multitarget
seconds till boss pull:
- 00:03  Inc
- 00:02  Pot
- 00:01  Starfall
Bosspull
00:00 CA + MF (macro)
00:01 MF 2nd Target
00:02 MF other target if available, if not => SS
00:03 SS if 00:02 didnt use SS
00:04 Berserking + Shard of Nothing + Starfire (macro)
00:06 Starfire

00:00 SS
etc

 

here my macros

CAmacro:

#showtooltip Celestial Alignment
/cast Celestial Alignment
/cast Moonfire
 

ShardofNothing+Berserking+pot+Starfire

/use 14 (if you have the trinket "Shards of Nothing")
/use Berserking
/use Draenic Intellect Potion
/cast Starfire

 

Edited by Bonita

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i had all of them together as a macro... lol all fixed and testing it later once i find an lfr that doesnt take an hr to find... <.< Thank you

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no prob, anytime. feel free to report back with further questions and/or new logs anytime

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so i did lfr for boomy... idk if this is good or not to even try for regular raid... i changed the macro just a bit to help before the start of the fight. 

 

Log

 

Please let me know and thank you

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Hey broloo, my apprentice :), how you doing?
I am sorry to tell you, but you still doing your INC/CA management wrong.

You did at Hans&Franz:

00:00:02.134    Broloo casts Berserking             
00:00:02.134    Broloo begins casting Starfire
00:00:04.411    Broloo casts Celestial Alignment
00:00:05.130    Broloo casts Moonfire on Franzok
00:00:06.265    Broloo begins casting Starfire
00:00:08.552    Broloo casts Starsurge on Franzok

 

=> Dont Berserk before CA. Beserk with CA (easy mode) or afterwards when you start casting Starfire after Moonfire (advanced mode)

 

later you did:

00:03:12.954    Broloo casts Berserking
00:03:12.954    Broloo casts Draenic Intellect Potion
00:03:15.245    Broloo casts Starfire on Hans'gar
00:03:15.247    Broloo casts Sunfire on Hans'gar
00:03:20.209    Broloo casts Starfire on Hans'gar
00:03:20.350    Broloo casts Celestial Alignment
00:03:20.350    Broloo casts Moonfire on Hans'gar
00:03:23.769    Broloo casts Starfire on Hans'gar
00:03:23.786    Broloo casts Incarnation: Chosen of Elune
00:03:27.915    Broloo casts Starfire on Hans'gar
00:03:27.915    Broloo casts Moonfire on Franzok

 

=> Dont CA before INC, dont Berserk before both of them (as above mentioned)

You completely wasted Berserking here. At 03:12 you casted Berserking. At 03:23 you did your very first Starfire with CA (not with INC sad.png). By that time the buff was faded

 

At Flamebender:

00:00:01.111    Broloo casts Moonfire on Aknor Steelbringer
00:00:02.836    Broloo casts Berserking
00:00:02.836    Broloo begins casting Starfire
00:00:05.102    Broloo casts Starfire on Aknor Steelbringer
00:00:05.102    Broloo casts Moonfire on Aknor Steelbringer
00:00:06.934    Broloo casts Celestial Alignment
00:00:06.952    Broloo casts Moonfire on Flamebender Ka'graz
00:00:08.429    Broloo casts Starfall
00:00:09.951    Broloo casts Starsurge on Flamebender Ka'graz

 

=> Same as above

 

 

00:03:16.491    Broloo casts Berserking
00:03:16.982    Broloo casts Draenic Intellect Potion
00:03:17.798    Broloo casts Incarnation: Chosen of Elune
00:03:18.862    Broloo casts Celestial Alignment
00:03:19.296    Broloo casts Moonfire on Flamebender Ka'graz
00:03:20.432    Broloo casts Moonfire on Flamebender Ka'graz
00:03:21.869    Broloo casts Starsurge on Flamebender Ka'graz
00:03:25.652    Broloo casts Wrath on Flamebender Ka'graz

 

=> Dont Berserk before INC / CA - Only Moonfire once - Dont Wrath with INC / CA up

 

At Kromog you have forgotten to use 2nd INC / CA

 

 

You need to practise your opener (and later for the 2nd/3rd time within the fight) more on the dummies. Also you need to understand (really understand ^^) why you doing INC -> CA -> Moonfire -> Berserk/Starfire in this order. This needs to get into you mind.

1st) If you Berserk before INC and CA you will waste that haste buff. There is no benefit for you if you use it at first, then hit INC...then have to wait 1,5 seconds because of GCD of INC, then use CA with MF and then finally start casting with Starfire. You loose at least 4-5 seconds (at Hans&Franz you waste 8 seconds) of that valuable buff. The reason why we play as a troll is that buff ..10 Seconds up with 15% haste. Spend that 10 seconds only for Starfire casts (and Starsurge to get Empowerment buff)

2nd) Always INC before CA. Inc has an duration of 30 seconds, CA lasts for 15. You want them both alive to burst as much as possible. After CA has faded you will then have another 15 seconds for DPS in Lunar with INC still up

 

 

practise, practise, practise smile.png

good luck mate

Edited by Bonita

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Sensei!!! i have returned after a little bit of a vaca and some practice on wow lol i think i got the idea of it now. did lfr for hm. just picked a random one. i havent  raided since the last post. let me know if i have done any better. thank you

 

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