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PvP Guides on Icy Veins - What do you want us to cover?

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While we do intend to do PvP guides during Mists of Pandaria, we are going to first focus on what we have been specializing up to this point: class guides and encounter guides. So we hope to start publishing PvP content between the release of Mists of Pandaria and the first patch of the expansion.

In this thread, we are going to analyze the demand and I will update the following list with what we will cover, taking into account replies you will make:

  • PvP versions of our PvE guides
  • Battleground guides: overview, objectives, common strategies
  • Arenas: overview, map details (with tips and tricks for positioning/running around), common strategies
  • PvP Achievements
  • Advice on interactions between classes
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We want the guides to be crucially intensionalized about the particular class, the powers which should be used and the particular class spells to be used with prior to opposite class ! Thats it , will adjacently help a lot.

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While we do intend to do PvP guides during Mists of Pandaria, we are going to first focus on what we have been specializing up to this point: class guides and encounter guides. So we hope to start publishing PvP content between the release of Mists of Pandaria and the first patch of the expansion.

In this thread, we are going to analyze the demand and I will update the following list with what we will cover, taking into account replies you will make:

  • PvP versions of our PvE guides
  • Battleground guides: overview, objectives, common strategies
  • Arenas: overview, map details (with tips and tricks for positioning/running around), common strategies

U have marked the proper points. Loved your praise for others !

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I would love to see your pvp guides include some strats for different team variations possibly, and the basic stuff you have for pve guides such as stats, gear theory.. i'm sure they will be great. keep up the good work.

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To build on Logicals post I would love a mini guide that lists each classes CC's and special "pvp" cool downs. Too many times do I have guildies and arena partners who only know about their own class, they rarely know what other classes can do in battlegrounds and arena.

I understand that if you play long enough and you are good enough then you pick this all up as you play, but for learners and beginners I think it would be a great thing to quickly see what a mages strengths and weaknesses are because you always struggle against them, or how to combat a specific combo tht you seem to have trouble against.

PvP always seems to bring out the elitist in players, and if you ever try and get information from the official forums you just get shot down straight away. A place to ask basic questions and have basic information for those that have no clue what to do but think they would find it fun would be great.

Trying to explain Alterac Valley match to anyone who hasn't done it before isn't always that easy, especially if they are brand new to pvp.

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Agreed with Logical and PeeLyon. When I first started out in PvP I was so confused about everything and den though I have been PvP'ing for a while now there are times were I'd like to have an easy to read and understand guide of what my arena partner can do in terms of cool downs etc. wold also like to see what class combos are best and maybe how you can each spec for arena to compliment eachother.

Also, may be silly but I would like to maybe see a guide on how you can get certain PvP achievements. I know many are by chance but some do require an element of strategy to obtain them. Would be very nice to see this.

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I've been thinking about the proper way to approach PvP guides (specifically, class guides meant for arena play) for a while.

Ideally, we could have a break-down of:

  • Talents and glyphs
  • Stats, gems and enchants
  • Abilities, cooldowns, "rotation"
  • Teamplay, cooperation
  • Countering the other team
This sounds good in theory (even though I don't have a PvP "career" to speak of, I have quite vast expertise with all those things), but the problem comes from the actual implementation.

For talents and glyphs, with Mists of Pandaria's talent system, it will probably be much harder to suggest a build. Most talents have both PvP and PvE implications, and it seems to me that often it's going to come down to a personal choice of the player. Same for glyphs, which have very little impact on gameplay now.

For stats, gems etc. this should be easy and not a problem.

The true problems come when discussing abilities, rotation, and countering your enemy. Anyone who has played arena at all seriously (even random battlegrounds, depending on how seriously you treat them) will know that you need to have every single ability in your spellbook on your action bars, keybound and ready to use in an instant. No longer can it be boiled down to 5-7 spells like in PvE (there are a few exceptions to this like Healing Rain, Holy Radiance and so on). Moreover, each of these spells has interactions that are very complex, when used against other players, and their effects are important to understand.

Then you have the issue that there is no such thing as a "rotation". Sure, you can theoretically make one, but in practice it is impossible to maintain it. Your DoTs will constantly be dispelled, your spells will be interrupted, you will be CC'd in one way or another for extended periods of time in the middle of your rotation, you will need to cast self-healing spells or hide behind pillars and so on.

Finally, I would absolutely love to be able to create some kind of interweaved list of abilities that counter one another, and the ways in which you can counter players like that. It's not enough to say that Disarm will remove the player's weapon, but it's important to say that you should save Disarm for when the Retribution Paladin uses Avenging Wrath etc. And then, this must be applied to the other 10 classes, for pretty much every spell. And then, you must understand when your own abilities can and will be countered by the other classes' abilities. And, going even further, you can't explain this in vacuum - your teammate's cooldowns, abilities etc. can make a world of difference to how you use your spells. Oh! And then, your opponent has a teammate as well, which you need to take into account. And if it's 3v3...

So, to sum up, I still haven't been able to figure out the ideal way to handle this. Not that we would have had time to do it until now, but once Mists of Pandaria things settle in a bit more, maybe then.

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I've been thinking about the proper way to approach PvP guides (specifically, class guides meant for arena play) for a while.

Ideally, we could have a break-down of:

  • Talents and glyphs
  • Stats, gems and enchants
  • Abilities, cooldowns, "rotation"
  • Teamplay, cooperation
  • Countering the other team
This sounds good in theory (even though I don't have a PvP "career" to speak of, I have quite vast expertise with all those things), but the problem comes from the actual implementation.

For talents and glyphs, with Mists of Pandaria's talent system, it will probably be much harder to suggest a build. Most talents have both PvP and PvE implications, and it seems to me that often it's going to come down to a personal choice of the player. Same for glyphs, which have very little impact on gameplay now.

For stats, gems etc. this should be easy and not a problem.

The true problems come when discussing abilities, rotation, and countering your enemy. Anyone who has played arena at all seriously (even random battlegrounds, depending on how seriously you treat them) will know that you need to have every single ability in your spellbook on your action bars, keybound and ready to use in an instant. No longer can it be boiled down to 5-7 spells like in PvE (there are a few exceptions to this like Healing Rain, Holy Radiance and so on). Moreover, each of these spells has interactions that are very complex, when used against other players, and their effects are important to understand.

Then you have the issue that there is no such thing as a "rotation". Sure, you can theoretically make one, but in practice it is impossible to maintain it. Your DoTs will constantly be dispelled, your spells will be interrupted, you will be CC'd in one way or another for extended periods of time in the middle of your rotation, you will need to cast self-healing spells or hide behind pillars and so on.

Finally, I would absolutely love to be able to create some kind of interweaved list of abilities that counter one another, and the ways in which you can counter players like that. It's not enough to say that Disarm will remove the player's weapon, but it's important to say that you should save Disarm for when the Retribution Paladin uses Avenging Wrath etc. And then, this must be applied to the other 10 classes, for pretty much every spell. And then, you must understand when your own abilities can and will be countered by the other classes' abilities. And, going even further, you can't explain this in vacuum - your teammate's cooldowns, abilities etc. can make a world of difference to how you use your spells. Oh! And then, your opponent has a teammate as well, which you need to take into account. And if it's 3v3...

So, to sum up, I still haven't been able to figure out the ideal way to handle this. Not that we would have had time to do it until now, but once Mists of Pandaria things settle in a bit more, maybe then.

I think that implementing something into future pvp guides discussing how different abilities counter one another would be a great idea. I've actually never seen a site that had that kind of information so you would definitely get alot of traffic with that alone. I'm sure with some more research the guides will be great, especially seeing all the things you want to implement into them.
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Vlad, i think that giving a few examples of what moves should be used and when would be great. I understand that you can't list every single possible combination, but likely examples, or breakdowns of combating against certain skills would be really nice.

A lot of it you do pick up just through playing, but like I said, so many don't know other classes and a quick 5-10 list of a classes key spells etc would go a long way for people to learn how to fight against them and what to look for.

I agree that that sort of basic information is hard to find on the Internet. So many guides are over complicated and a simple guide to give played a head start really would help. It would hopefully give people who "hate" pvp a bit of confidence to try it all out.

An explaination into this new PvP power etc would also be brilliant!

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PvP Guides on Icy Veins - What do you want us to cover?

Basically for me its as much detail as you put into the leveling guides, for instance where each point should go as and when you get it, what moves you should concentrate on using for each individual spec.

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NOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo dont tell people the secrets behind battling a rogue!!! Were the most hated class in history and it should stay that way!

on the other hand, feel FREE to write a comprehensive PvP guide that includes all the tips, hints, strategies, etc that we're all discussing that include all the OTHER classes........

Posted Image *vanish*

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Hehe... one of my friends plays a rogue and made me duel him for HOURS so that I would be able to function properly against them in arenas. It wasn't a fun experience...

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Hehe... one of my friends plays a rogue and made me duel him for HOURS so that I would be able to function properly against them in arenas. It wasn't a fun experience...

Funny you should say that, every time one of my friends starts getting into Arena, they use me as a training dummy Posted Image Im no PvP-er by ANY means, but even a Rogue in full PvE gear set up in combat spec is still enough to make even the most stoic warrior shudder with fear Posted Image

Last night, my Guild leader Vixxn (a pally) and i were getting on the boat to Northrend, and there were already three War Council Hordies on it.... as SOON as i boarded, they flew off XD Vixxn boarded right behind me laughing the whole way..... it felt good. REAL good..... i LOVE the sense of fear that being a Rogue strikes in people who are flagged PvP Posted Image Maybe it IS time i start getting into PvP more..... its funny, ive NEVER gotten into it , other than the obligitory defending of stormwind and battlegrounds before cata... i think im starting to feel the pull Posted Image

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Thank you for all the incredible work that you've done for everyone!

I went from a total noob (Started Feb 2012) and with the amazing help from icy-veins.com and some astounding people in WoW, I'm a level 85 Arcane Mage with ilvl 393 and getting some great experience in raids and dungeons.

I hope that the PvP area will be just as comprehensive and helpful, and I wish you all the best!

Cheers!

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Thank you for all the incredible work that you've done for everyone!

I went from a total noob (Started Feb 2012) and with the amazing help from icy-veins.com and some astounding people in WoW, I'm a level 85 Arcane Mage with ilvl 393 and getting some great experience in raids and dungeons.

I hope that the PvP area will be just as comprehensive and helpful, and I wish you all the best!

Cheers!

Thank you for this message! You started at the right time, I have a feeling that Mists of Pandaria will be an incredible and refreshing expansion.

You can count on us for making PvP guides in the same vein as our PvE guides.

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I think one of the reasons I've found PvP to be so difficult is that there are no satisfactory guides for beginners. And there are certainly no guides for the most common experience of world PvP -- which will be all the more prevalent in MoP.

While there is plenty of advice regarding how to fight this class or this spec, and lots of discussions about arena teams, there is little advice available about what to do when you're getting ganked while questing. For me, the primary concern is how to survive while questing and leveling my toons. This has been less of a problem in Cata, but MoP promises to bring world PvP back once more.

So, what do I do when I find myself rooted, or stunned, or otherwise ambushed? What ought to be my first response when I have no idea who or what it is that has attacked me? Due to its fundamental principle of blind surprise, world PvP, in some ways, seems to be inherently different from the BGs or arenas.

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... common experience of world PvP -- which will be all the more prevalent in MoP.

...but MoP promises to bring world PvP back once more.

I have heard others say this but can find no information on MoP bringing back world pvp. What are you referring to exactly? Is this something applicable only for pvp realms that I simply don't know about? Just curious. Posted Image

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I think they mentioned on PvP servers they would nerf city guards in the hope it would encourage players to attack them.

Dont think they have anything else "planned" though.

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I also think another reason is the need to go out into the world to camp rare pets for pet battles. This only applies to PvP servers but it should make it interesting.

Also, the world bosses which have meaningful loot might spawn some nice battles on balanced servers.

And I believe the developers said that they had more ideas/plans to further spur on world PvP.

I'm excited.

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Thanks for the answers guys! I was a little worried about my pve server for a minute there Posted Image. I'm on Skywall and Alliance outnumbers Horde by a bunch and all the great pvp'ers are Alliance.

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I just want basic ideas of how the other classes play. Give me the basic spells and the cooldown spells used in PvP.

Sample:

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Subtlety rogue:

The Very Basics

- will start in stealth and either silence (garrote) or stun (cheap shot) you out of it

- combo points will be built using basic builders - backstab if he can get behind you or wants extra damage, hemorrage for faster combo points

+ when rogues have enough combo points, they will do one of a few things

- use eviscerate for a good amount of damage

- use kidney shot for a (up to) 6 second stun

- use slice and dice, a personal buff which gives them energy faster

- use recuperate, a personal buff which gives a minor (1% / sec) heal

- use rupture, a minor bleed which makes the rest of their moves do 20% more damage.

Play Style

Offense

- rogues generally will need to have 2 buffs rolling to be dangerous on their own in a sustained environment. Lining up for a kill means starting Rupture, Slice and Dice before starting the big damage sequence. If a rogue has been out of combat for a while, you generally won't be in too much trouble if you have decent PvP gear.

- the big damage sequence happens when the rogue can stack the following conditions:

- you don't have a trinket

- rogue has slice and dice on himself

- rogue has rupture on you

- shadow blades is off cooldown

- shadow dance is off cooldown.

In this scenario, the rogue can land a 6-second Kidney Shot (stun) on you, and with extra energy from slice and dice, extra damage from rupture, extra combo points and damage coming from shadow blades, and the ability to ambush from shadow dance, you will be hurting.

CC

- rogue cc's come in the quick cooldown, long cooldown, and stealth varieties:

- quick: gouge - 15 second cooldown, 5 second disorient that breaks on damage (except the rogue's bleeds/poisons if he talents for it). Usually has to happen from front, but some rogues may glyph this to allow it to be done from any direction.

- quick: kick - 15 second cooldown, a basic interrupt.

- quick: kidney shot - 24 second cooldown, variable time stun, 2 to 6 seconds

- quick: dismantle - 1 minute cooldown, 8 second disarm

- long: blind - 3 minute cooldown, an 8 second disorient that breaks on damage (except the rogue's bleeds/poisons if he talents for it. Glyph will also clear dots on target).

- long: smoke bomb - 8 second AoE "pillar". Cannot cast spells into or out of it.

- stealth: sap - 8 second disorient, breaks on damage. Only useable when target is out of combat.

- stealth: cheap shot - 4 (5 glyphed) second stun

- stealth: garrote - 5 second silence

- stealth: distract - turns your character which ever way the rogue distracts you to. Only useable when target is out of combat.

Defense

Rogue defenses come in a few flavors: passive, CC, healing, and cooldown

- passive devenses come from having a parry chance inherent to being a rogue, and a high dodge rate

- CC defenses are shown above. With a decent array of CCs avaialble rogues are decent at stopping damage before it happens

- healing comes from recuperate. This used to be a MUCH stronger ability. As it is, rogues can use it, but it's not nearly as important a priority or helpful as it was in cataclysm

- cooldown abilities used in PvP:

- combat readiness (up to 10% damage reduction stacking another 10% each hit until a max of 50%): When a rogue pops this, don't touch him unless he's at a teeny amount of health. Let it wear off after 10 seconds and then beat him down. Visible effect = red swirling stary-things around rogue.

- evasion: Dramatically increases dodge chance. Ranged/spell stun the rogue or attack him from behind. Visible effect = transparent look to character model.

- cloak of shadows: spell effects won't affect the rogue. Rogue can use this defensively to maintain his health, or offensively to avoid most CCs while tunneling a target. Visible effect = shadow-form-like effect on character model.

- vanish: immediately stealths the rogue and prevents all damage for 3 seconds. Visible effect = "none" ;)

Other Tips

- Use Gladiatorlossa or other mod to let you know when a rogue invokes shadow dance and/or shadow blades. When he does this, he is looking to put a hurting on you. The other common use of shadow dance is to be able to use CC on many people at once. Since shadow dance allows him to use stealth moves out of stealth, he can cheapshot (stun) multiple people in a row without the normal cooldowns.

- Rogue openers are more dangerous than they were in the past due to the first talent tier. Nothing special to know about in particular, look at that tier if you're interested.

- If a rogue has a ranged interrupt, he doesn't have the combat readiness damage mitigator or damage debuff after stuns - those are mutually exclusive talents.

- If you see a rogue casting feint a lot, he probably has feint talented, meaning that he's taking 30% less damage for 5 seconds every time he casts it. If this happens, see if you can pump damage into him after a stun/cc where you know that the 5 second reduction has worn off.

- the following are mutually exclusive: Shadowstep (teleports to a friendly or enemy target) and Burst of speed - breaks roots and/or acts as a sprint. Can be chained as long as rogue has energy. If you see him teleport, you're free to root him and feel safe outside of his cooldowns. If you see him break roots, you're safe using Z-axis barriers.

- the last tier of talents for the rogue are all relatively interesting/valuable, but for a basic guide on rogues, you won't play too different regardless of which they took. For advanced play, it absolutely matters.

- Fairy fire is the rogue's bane. Long-lasting dots are pretty close to being that bad, but faerie fire is horrible. The best ways to piss off a rogue are:

- Use Faerie Fire

- Use bleeds

- Long lasting dots

- Kite him (especially since cooldowns are longer now and mobility is worse than in cata)

- Make him regret his talent choice. If you see him breaking roots a lot, use Z-axis obstacles to taunt him. If you see him teleporting, continuously slow and root him.

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It's a pretty bad guide, and I'm sure it's filled with misinformation like exact cooldown times and similar stuff. And I'm sure I suck at rogue. But if I had a cheat-sheet like that for every class/spec done by a person who was actually decent at his class/spec, I'd feel much more comfortable in PvP, especially since MoP changed everything around. Again.

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Thread Resurrection in Progress. (Input cast time bar here)

Just about every information guide only addresses Max strat. i.e. The most damage or healing in whatever spec. They usually do not take into consideration the other specs people might have fun playing, but need help to maximize the spec.

My suggestion would be to have a thread in either the pvp section or in the class section with a link in the pvp section on how to play gem, reforge, enchant each spec in each enviroment. That would mean 6 threads per class.

Rogue

Combat PvE and PvP

Assassination PvE and PvP

Subtelty PvE and PvP

I know this is a lot of work with all the classes, but maybe enlist help from those in the forum community.

Thank you for your consideration.

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I'm going to necro an old post since I didn't even know it was discussed at some point...

Man PvP guides would be great but I reckon it'll take alot more work than the PvE guides simply because of the amount of variables.

I'd Suggest looking into Arena Junkies and using their guide templates for ideas. The main things people want to see is what to reforge, hit, expertise etc. For instance most clothies have 4% dodge (I think, CBA to check), so melee / hunters should reforge expertise to 4% then stop. Spell Pen is a thing of the past, but that was at some point the most common question.

Macro lists, mouseovers macros, focus target macros, CD macros particularly to stack stuff that isn't on the GCD. Along with an explanation on how to use them ofc.

After the basic stuff, listing viable comps for each class, along with the stupid abreviations and a small explanation would be good (KFC, TSG blablabla).

General specific arena tips on LOS, tricks etc... For instance in Ruins of Lorderon as a DK (or any class with similar AoE) you can run straight to the tomb if you are up against a stealth team and drop DnD. I've broken alot of Rogues, Ferals, RestoD's, Mages out like that.

Viable RBG comps for all specs. For example (I haven't done any RBG's this season) Feral, Arms, Ret etc really struggled to find any sort of RBG team in 4.3. There were viable teams that ran them, for instance one of the highest rated players in the world was running Ret in 4.3, but just about every numbnut and his grandma wanted to roll a dotcleave for 3 simple reasons, 1.) It worked 2.) It was infamous, everyone knew it. 3.) You could be half brainless to do it, just dot, los, cc.

Mandatory addons such as Gladius / BGT ? Juked and how to configure them.

The list goes on... x)

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Another good one would be to have, for a beginners guide, what gear is best to be picked up first in order to best suit your needs as well as the best ways to initially obtain Conquest Points to obtain better gear and be stronger overall in PvP, followed with the basic macro's you'll want to have for each class, strengths and weaknesses, how to better understand them and work with them as well as to better defend yourself against your own weaknesses.

Those would be really good ones to start off with, as well as comps for each class and what works and what usually doesn't work.

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      Ascendency is a guild comprised of sociable, mature players who strive for teamwork, camaraderie and enjoyment of the game as we prevail over the foes of the land from current and past perils. Our goal is to conquer PVE content as a synergic team and attain various epic deeds. Be a place where members can find a home and not just be a warm body.   Guild Name: Ascendency Faction: Horde Server/timezone: Thrall-PvE, Eastern Time Raid Times: 8:30-10 pm EST/Server Time Raid Schedule: Tuesdays, Wednesdays, and Saturdays Loot: Personal Member Type: Adult (21+) Working class w/full time jobs Voice Service: Ventrilo   Progression: We have been progressing through Normal raids, however we have added Heroic progression for a little more challenge. Although most members are not heroic experience, we like everyone to progression with a calm and mature atmosphere, but that won't mean that we don't get bosses down. We make sure we learn something from our progression. Please do not expect a Mystic raid from us, as we do not like to go as far to thinking hardcore. We believe it will not bring a pleasant and mature progression, so we'd like to stick with what we do.   Recruiting: We do not pressure our members to play what is needed for our raid team, however there will be certain roles that will not be recruited (Tanks mainly). However we like that our members play the class they enjoy playing, so there is no pressure or trouble to decide a role/class just for our raid team.    We accept all classes and specs as Social member. However, we are having a heal role issue and in need to recruit a 3rd dedicated healer for our raid progression. unfortunately Disc priest and Resto Druid we do not need, as we have them both, so please do not ask a room for one. We are also searching for a melee dps as well, preferably a Rogue, Feral Druid or WW Monk. Unfortunately we are full on Ret pallies and warriors.    We are currently in Heroic Hellfire Citadel Progression, 12/13, hoping to go after Archimonde for everyone to get their moose mount before the Prepatch.    Please know that we do not like anyone with an attitude towards anyone. We like for everyone to be themselves but also respect each other. In short: no drama or trouble. We like to keep our guild laid back and for everyone to enjoy the game in our guild.    We also have an age policy: ages 21+.    -What we have on our Raid Team- Warriors: We have a Tank and a fury Death Knights: We have 1, but are welcoming more Paladins: We have 2 dps and a tank. A Holy Paladin will be needed. Monks: We are welcoming monks as well, either a mistweaver (3rd) Heals or WW dps Priests: We have a Disc Healer as our 2nd dedicate healer and 2 Shadow priests, but are welcoming a holy for 3rd Shamans: We are in need of a Resto and/or Elemental! Druids: We have our resto Druid as our 1st dedicate healer, but we welcome feral or boomkin dps Rogues: We have none as our rogue switched to our 2nd Tank, so we are welcoming rogues as well Mages: We have 1 dedicated mage, and more are welcomed Warlocks: We have 1 dedicated raider, and will accept another Hunters: We have 1 dedicated raider, and will accept another Casual Raiders and Non-Raiders are all welcome to join! We accept Social people and Raiders! We understand that our members have full time jobs and have limited time as we raid for a short hour and we do not pressure non raiders to participate for raid nights. If anyone would like to raid, we make sure to open our raid schedules in the calendar for people to sign up and communicated with our Raid Leaders.
        Monthly Events and other Activities: We like to do monthly events for everyone to have fun, other then raid nights, even for non raiders. Transmog Contests are very common that we do. Open ideas or anything new anyone thinks of trying for a different event will be optional.   We often like to see members group up for dungeons or group quests, timewalking, etc.   Guild Communication: The guild has a paid web site, facebook page and a twitter account enabling members to socialize and stay informed with the latest and greatest. The website is our primary location to keep up with happenings of the guild.   We often use Vent to communicate with other members. We don't like drama and trouble, so we like to keep the guild laid back and sociable for everyone to enjoy the game and have fun.   http://ascendency.guildlaunch.com/ Twitter: Ascendencyguild   Contact Any of our Officers: Esabeth#1634 Feorne#1606
    • Crowfall ("RTS" MMO) videos + open beta info
      By JamesGoblin
      Crowfall is like RTS meets EVE Online meets Minecraft...if that made any sense? Also, before massive battles (hundreds of players), building structures and economy make it into the game, it currently looks rather like MOBA than MMO...and you can
      there!?

      Another strange thing is, frequent changes of sex/class/race are likely - account and progression are tied to crow-spirit, not the body/avatar. Now, alpha access is expensive but open beta (free tests) is scheduled for this winter, requiring only registration on the site. Here are some early player made videos, starting with some voxel destruction: 

       

       

       
      PS If my incomprehensible intro didn't make any sense, IGN Wiki maybe will!?
    • need help: creating a shaman for pvp and pve
      By kurminel
      Hi everyone,
      Currently, i wanted to make a shaman for pvp and pveand i would like to ask these questions
      1) which build is good for pve.I am just new tothe game. I do not know whether shamans would excel in dps more or on healing for pve raidimg. Would you recommend any build or any guides ? (Toons from wow armory , youtube or twitch).
      2) what about for pvp? Are they good, easy to use or manage on pvp? If yes, which builds? Do you have any guides?
      I am nust new therefore i would really appreciate if anyone can give me some advice.
      Thank you :)