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Lock'n Load

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Good Morning! :)

Today I want to ask you for your Lock'n Load-Feeling.

Yesterday we fight against Mannoroth. Becaus of some missing guys, new Trials and our first meeting with him after Pre-Patch we had unfortunatelly some wipes. But so had my hunter-friends and me some practise time.

After some minutes we started talking about the Lock'n Load Talent, because the procc feeling was really different.

 

So I looked today at our Logs and write down our proccs:

     Min.    Kata     Hirs     For    Dra

1. 1:54 - - - 2x - - - 1x - - - 1x - - - 3x
2. 2:02 - - - 4x - - - 4x - - - 4x - - - 2x
3. 2:09 - - - 2x - - - 4x - - - 4x - - - 4x
4. 1:52 - - - 4x - - - 4x - - - 2x - - - 5x
5. 2:38 - - - 4x - - - 3x - - - 4x - - - 7x
6. 2:39 - - - 3x - - - 1x - - - 2x - - - 1x
7. 2:46 - - - 0x - - - 1x - - - 5x - - - 3x
8. 3:14 - - - 3x - - - 8x - - - 3x - - - 4x
9. 3:29 - - - 5x - - - 5x - - - 1x - - - 2x
10. 2:56 - - - 3x - - - 5x - - - 10x - - - 5x
11. 3:59 - - - 5x - - - 1x - - - 4x - - - 9x
12. 4:06 - - - 8x - - - 5x - - - 10x - - - 3x
13. 3:59 - - - 7x - - - 1x - - - 6x - - - 8x
14. 3:38 - - - 11x - - - 1x - - - 3x - - - 4x
15. 4:12 - - - 9x - - - 4x - - - 5x - - - 4x
16. 3:11 - - - 4x - - - 3x - - - 4x - - - 9x
17. 3:00 - - - 5x - - - 4x - - - 4x - - - 5x
18. 2:57 - - - 2x - - - 8x - - - 7x - - - 2x
19. 3:53 - - - 5x - - - 4x - - - 7x - - - 4x
20. 2:03 - - - 3x - - - 1x - - - 4x - - - 3x
21. 3:09 - - - 5x - - - 8x - - - 4x - - - 4x
22. 3:35 - - - 5x - - - 5x - - - 4x - - - 5x
23. 3:38 - - - 4x - - - 7x - - - 6x - - - 4x
24. 4:09 - - - 2x - - - 5x - - - 4x - - - 7x
Kill   4:06 - - - 4x - - - 4x - - - 7x - - - 11x

 

These proccs are really different! Try Nr. 7, there was no Procc for me for the hole fight (2:46 Min). Later, fight Nr. 14. there were 11 Proccs to handle.

Nearly the same if you've a look at my friends. I'm not sure what I think about this talent....

 

What's your feeling about Lock'n Load?

 

 

LG Katamari

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Alright, the first issue I see is you are looking at the procs for each pull, and obviously questioning getting 0. But a quick look at the L&L buffs vs Auto Shots as a whole for the entire night tells a slightly different picture.

Dra: 1,297 Auto Shots cast with 118 L&L procs = 9.1%
For: 1,439 Auto Shots cast with 115 L&L procs = 8.0%
Hir: 1,514 Auto Shots cast with 100 L&L procs = 6.6%
Kat 1,446 Auto Shots cast with 109 L&L procs = 7.53%

Now, the only Hunter out of the 4 whose percentage of L&L procs that is statistically low is Hirsine at just 6.60%. But the other 3 are statistically in line with the 8% chance to trigger L&L that the talent offers. But take into consideration the fact that 1 of the 4 Hunters exceeded that 8% chance, and the numbers are right in line with where they should be.

Looking at all 4 Hunters together gets you an average L&L proc vs Auto Shots cast of 7.81%. And, again, with the talent providing Autho Shot an 8% chance to proc L&L, it seems to be functioning very well. 

As for as my personal feelings about it, I wish there was more predictable reliability or control to it, but it is still clearly the best talent choice in it's tier.

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1 hour ago, jmaster299 said:

Alright, the first issue I see is you are looking at the procs for each pull, and obviously questioning getting 0. But a quick look at the L&L buffs vs Auto Shots as a whole for the entire night tells a slightly different picture.

Dra: 1,297 Auto Shots cast with 118 L&L procs = 9.1%
For: 1,439 Auto Shots cast with 115 L&L procs = 8.0%
Hir: 1,514 Auto Shots cast with 100 L&L procs = 6.6%
Kat 1,446 Auto Shots cast with 109 L&L procs = 7.53%

Now, the only Hunter out of the 4 whose percentage of L&L procs that is statistically low is Hirsine at just 6.60%. But the other 3 are statistically in line with the 8% chance to trigger L&L that the talent offers. But take into consideration the fact that 1 of the 4 Hunters exceeded that 8% chance, and the numbers are right in line with where they should be.

Looking at all 4 Hunters together gets you an average L&L proc vs Auto Shots cast of 7.81%. And, again, with the talent providing Autho Shot an 8% chance to proc L&L, it seems to be functioning very well. 

As for as my personal feelings about it, I wish there was more predictable reliability or control to it, but it is still clearly the best talent choice in it's tier.

Thanks for your answer! It helps! 

You're right with the auto shots. I forget to look at it... 

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Here I'n again...

Have had a look at all autoshots and the Proc-chances.

 

 

Min.       Kata      Hirs     For    Dra

1. 1:54 - - - 2x - - - 1x - - - 1x - - - 3x Proc
Autoshot - - 38 - - - 38 - - - 40 - - - 35 Autoshot
Chance - - 5,3% - - 2,6% - 2,5% - 8,5% - - Chance

2. 2:02 - - - 4x - - - 4x - - - 4x - - - 2x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 41 - - - 39 - - - 38 - - - 36 - - Autoshot 
Chance - - 9,7% - - 10,2% - 10,5% - 5,6% - - Chance

3. 2:09 - - - 2x - - - 4x - - - 4x - - - 4x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 39 - - - 45 - - - 39 - - - 41 - - Autoshot
Chance - -5,1% - - 8,9% - 10,2% - 9,8% - - Chance

4. 1:52 - - - 4x - - - 4x - - - 2x - - - 5x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 38 - - - 40 - - - 40 - - - 26 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 10,5% - - 10% - - 5% - 19,2% - - Chance

5. 2:38 - - - 4x - - - 3x - - - 4x - - - 7x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 58 - - - 58 - - - 63 - - - 51 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 6,8% - - 5,2% - 6,3% - 13,7% - - Chance

6. 2:39 - - - 3x - - - 1x - - - 2x - - - 1x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 60 - - - 52 - - - 37 - - - 43 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 5% - - 1,9% - 5,4% - 2,3% - - Chance

7. 2:46 - - - 0x - - - 1x - - - 5x - - - 3x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 45 - - - 53 - - - 51 - - - 45 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 0% - - 1,9% - 9,8% - 6,7% - - Chance

8. 3:14 - - - 3x - - - 8x - - - 3x - - - 4x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 60 - - - 59 - - - 57 - - - 56 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 5% - - 13,6% - 5,2% - 7,14% - - Chance

9. 3:29 - - - 5x - - - 5x - - - 1x - - - 2x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 73 - - - 60 - - - 24 - - - 52 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 6,8% - - 8,3% - 4,1% - 3,8% - - Chance

10. 2:56 - - - 3x - - - 5x - - - 10x - - - 5x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 61 - - - 37 - - - 63 - - - 52 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 4,9% - - 13,5 - 15,9% - 9,6% - - Chance

11. 3:59 - - - 5x - - - 1x - - - 4x - - - 9x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 49 - - - 65 - - - 75 - - - 71 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 10,9% - - 1,5% - 5,3% - 12,7% - - Chance

12. 4:06 - - - 8x - - - 5x - - - 10x - - - 3x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 73 - - - 75 - - - 83 - - - 61 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 11% - 6,7% - 12,1% - 4,9% - - Chance

13. 3:59 - - - 7x - - - 1x - - - 6x - - - 8x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 87 - - - 85 - - - 86 - - - 64 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 8,1% - 1,2% - 6,9% - 12,5% - - Chance

14. 3:38 - - - 11x - - - 1x - - - 3x - - - 4x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 66 - - 68 - - - 67 - - - 49 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 16,7% - 1,5% - 4,5% - 8,2% - - Chance

15. 4:12 - - - 9x - - - 4x - - - 5x - - - 4x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 73 - - -  95 - - - 78 - - - 62 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 12,3% - 4,2% - 6,4% - 6,5% - - Chance

16. 3:11 - - - 4x - - - 3x - - - 4x - - - 9x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 59 - - - 71 - - - 45 - - - 57 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 6,8% - 4,3% - 8,9% - 15,8% - - Chance

17. 3:00 - - - 5x - - - 4x - - - 4x - - - 5x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 60 - - - 46 - - - 57 - - - 45 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 8,3% - 8,6% - 7% - 11,1% - - Chance

18. 2:57 - - - 2x - - - 8x - - - 7x - - - 2x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 61 - - - 61 - - - 54 - - - 48 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 3,3% - 13,1% - 13% - 4,2% - - Chance

19. 3:53 - - - 5x - - - 4x - - - 7x - - - 4x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 54 - - - 87 - - - 61 - - - 67 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 9,3% - 4,5% - 11,5% - 6% - - Chance

20. 2:03 - - - 3x - - - 1x - - - 4x - - - 3x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 36 - - - 44 - - - 42 - - - 36 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 8,3% - 2,3% - 9,5% - 8,3% - - Chance

21. 3:09 - - - 5x - - - 8x - - - 4x - - - 4x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 60 - - - 71 - - - 52 - - - 47 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 8,3% - 11,3% - 7,6% - 8,5% - - Chance

22. 3:35 - - - 5x - - - 5x - - - 4x - - - 5x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 68 - - -  59 - - - 65 - - - 49 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 7,4% - 8,5% - 6,2% - 10,2% - - Chance

23. 3:38 - - - 4x - - - 7x - - - 6x - - - 4x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 58 - - - 73 - - - 64 - - - 50 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 6,9% - 9,6% - 9,4% - 8% - - Chance

24. 4:09 - - - 2x - - - 5x - - - 4x - - - 7x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 60 - - - 64 - - - 67 - - - 61 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 3,3% - 7,8% - 6% - 11,5% - - Chance

Kill   4:06 - - - 4x - - - 4x - - - 7x - - - 11x - - Proc
Autoshot - - 69 - - - 68 - - - 91 - - - 82 - - Autoshot
Chance - - 5,8 % - 5,9% - 7,7% - 13,4% - - Chance

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There really is no need or point to examine the proc chance on each pull as each pull on it's own is far too small of a sample size to provide accurate data. Even your groups 24 pulls with 4 different Hunters is still a very small sample size to be able to look at an ability and determine if it is functioning as intended/advertised. It's a good snapshot, but you would really need a sample size that's in the thousands or even millions to be able to say if an ability is really working or not. Those are the kinds of sample sizes Blizzard works with.

But as I pointed out, when looking at your snapshot of 96 samples, 4 Hunters x 24 encounters, we see numbers that show L&L is functioning like it should. To reinforce that, I took another snapshot look at some other pulls to see how the numbers stack up. On warcraftlogs I looked at Heroic Fel Lord for Marks Hunters and sorted by time and there were 12 logs of kills of 1 minute or longer. All ranging from 1:00 to 1:12 in duration. I looked at for longer pulls because a pull of 12 seconds doesn't tell us anything.

Over the 12 kills for those 12 Hunters they fired a combined 355 Auto Shots and had a combined 37 L&L procs. That's a L&L proc rate of 10.42% for those 12 Hunters. Significantly higher than the 8% proc rate the spell advertises. Again the sample size is so small that it doesn't provide definitive numbers, but it would indicate that the spell is working properly.

 

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