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So dodge/parry on Protadins is next to useless, what with all the magic damage and unavoidable tank debuffs in raids.

 

Which in turn pretty much makes all prot gear useless, as it has stacks of dodge/parry on each piece.

 

So changing my loot spec to Ret is probably the best way to go as that gear has haste/mastery/crit on it, only needing to switch back to Prot if I want to try getting a new shield or something.

 

This is accurate yeah? Avoidance tanks have always been sub-optimal anyway due to bad avd streaks causing healers to have coronary's.

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That's exactly right. Ret loot spec often has a better chance to give haste gear, since prot spec has a bunch of useless stats. Dodge/Parry would be our best stat if it were only melee swings, but as you said that's not the case.

 

NOTE: This table is considering loot from the ret/prot loot roles based on a what a prot paladin wants.

 

Comparison between Ret/Prot loot specs:
Boss Ret Prot Usefulness
Immerseus Haste/Crit Chest

Haste/Hit Bracers

Haste/Mastery Gloves

Dodge/Parry Weapon

Parry/Dodge Shoulders

Dodge/Parry Bracers

Haste/Hit Bracers

Haste/Mastery Gloves

Hit/Parry Boots

2.5/3

vs

2.5/6

Fallen Protectors Mastery/Haste Shoulders

Hit/Haste Belt

Hit/Crit Ring

Mastery/Haste Shoulders

Expertise/Parry Cloak

Dodge/Parry Gloves

Hit/Haste Belt

Stam/AoE Reduc Trinket

2.5/3

vs

3/5

Norushen Haste/Mastery Cloak*

Mastery/Crit Bracers

Cleave Ret Trinket

Dodge/Parry Helm

Hit/Mastery Sword**

1.5*/3

vs

1**/2

Sha of Pride Tier Chest

2H Weapon

Hit/Crit Boots

Tier Chest

Dodge/Parry Shield**

Hit/Dodge Neck

1.5/3

vs

1.5**/3

Galakras Haste/Mastery Helm

Hit/Mastery Shoulders

Strength Proc trinket

Haste/Mastery Helm

Hit/Mastery Shoulders

Hit/Dodge Bracers

Parry/Dodge Ring

2/3

vs

2.5/4

Iron Juggernaut Hit/Mastery Neck

Expertise/Crit Bracers

Crit/Haste Gloves

Haste/Mastery Belt

Hit/Mastery Neck

Dodge/Parry Chest

Haste/Mastery Belt

Dodge/Lifesteal Trinket

3/4

vs

2.5/4

Dark Shamans Crit/Mastery Chest

Hit/Mastery Belt

Crit/Haste Boots

Hit/Mastery Ring

Expertise/Parry Weapon**

Hit/Mastery Belt

Hit/Mastery Ring

Hit/Dodge Ring

3/4

vs

3**/4

General Nazgrim Tier Gloves

2H Weapon

Tier Gloves

Expertise/Mastery Shield**

1/2

vs

2/2

Malkorok Crit/Mastery Neck

Crit/Mastery Legs

Expertise/Mastery Boots

Expertise/Parry Bracers

Expertise/Mastery Boots

CD Reduc Trinket

2/3

vs

2.5/5

Spoils of Pandaria Crit/Haste Helm
Crit/Haste Ring
Parry/Mastery Shield**

Mastery/Parry Belt

Expertise/Dodge Boots

1/2

vs

1.5**/3

Thok Tier Helm

2H Weapon

Expertise/Mastery Ring

Amplify Trinket*

Tier Helm

Mastery/Parry Chest

Expertise/Mastery Ring

3*/4

vs

2/3

Siegecrafter Blackfuse Tier Shoulders

Expertise/Haste Ring*

Tier Shoulders

Haste/Mastery Weapon**

Expertise/Parry Neck

Mastery/Parry Hands

2/2

vs

3**/4

Paragons Tier Pants

Strength Trinket

Tier Pants

Expertise/Crit Weapon**

1/2

vs

1.5**/2

Garrosh Crit/Mastery Shoulder

Crit/Mastery Shoulder

Haste/Mastery Pants

2H Weapon BOA

Expertise/Parry Helm

Haste/Mastery Pants

Crit Trinket

Mastery/Dodge Shield BOA

2/4

vs

2/4

* Item is RET only, even though it is a Prot worthy item.

** Item is PROT only, and no items in that slot can be obtained by Ret.

Gray = Not for prot

Red = Terrible

Yellow =  1 useful stat, 1 useless or 1stat trinket that can be reforged to 40% useful.

Green = 2 useful stats

Blue = Prot Spec only, and has 2 useful stats

 

Note: I list BoAs on Garrosh, but they cannot be coined. They're simply listed because you are given them at the kill, and the first one you get is spec related.

 

Second Note: I have Mastery as a 'Best Stat' since it's our fourth (2nd excluding hit/expertise) stat. There will be a few pieces listed Hit/Mastery in green, because it's technically a really good piece of gear, especially if you're haste capped, but you should be going Haste before reforging on every piece of gear.

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Thank you Fouton that is amazing. Let's hope the stat changes Blizz are going in the coming up in the next expansion make tanking gear more useful for... tanking.

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Yea, as much as I like haste for speedy GCDs, it just feels wrong.

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True, it feels wrong. I remember when I had full ToT retribution gear, I could just switch to protection, grab onehand and a shield and go tanking normal without problems.

 

If I am not mistaken, in WoD the gear is supposed to change depending on current specialization so we can only hope they will tune up the gear correctly because you won't be able to choose a gear build any more (no reforging, limited enchants and gems).

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My guess is that we will fall back onto Mastery in WoD, though I think they might buff Grand Crusader's proc rate on dodge/parry. What I hope for is a Grand Crusader proc that doesn't change but is given an ICD (this would fix prot paladins insane multi target burst), increase consecration damage/threat gen to cover the threat loss, increase dodge/party's effectiveness either in the GC proc or simply in rating per 1% avoidance. Then to make tanks not feel so pathetically slow, GCD is set to 1.2s or 1s. 

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ok so.... (not tanked since panda came out) if i wanted to update my tank gear, (i'm playing ret now),i could keep the lower cast off pieces i'm getting from ret runs and use it as a tank set?

Just add in a 1 hander and a shield with a different reforge. Is this correct?

 

M.

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Yep. Assuming your ret gear is being done: Hit/Exp to 7.5, Haste (40%) > Mastery, then you can just convert the reforging to Hit to 7.5, Expertise to 15, Haste (50%) > Mastery.

 

Infact, the DPS meta/cloak aren't bad for prot either, since one is good DPS and the other is better itemized. You lose the auto-live cloak proc, and the occasional 20% physical damage reduction, but if you don't want to spend a fortune on a new cloak/constantly regemming your helm, its no big loss.

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Very cool, cause my 2nd set (tank) is WAAAYYYY behind in levels, lol. Now i can use the "less than" drops i get in ret runs instead of taking the vendor 12 gold

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Fouton why is the galakras trinket under ret marked terrible? Or is that acting as if your prot? Because it's only a str proc if you're prot, and cd reduction if you're ret? YOUR CHART IS CONFUSING ME SIR

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As a tank it's purely a strength proc, so it's terrible for prot. That chart is purely for prot paladin gearing. It's basically showing what a prot paladin will get from what loot role.

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ok I was just a little confused by it. thanks for the clarification!

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