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Storm's 2H Frost Rotation Helpers (Weak Auras)

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Hey gj taking the time to work on these weak auras they're a great help to the DPS DK community.

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May I ask you to give us an alternate string for the following setting?

 

Tier 1: Plaguebearer (I somehow do more damage with this one, than with PL - fairly sure I'm not using it correctly and therefore a DPS loss, but it's easier for beginners. So that should justify my request for this particular Talent)

 

Tier 4: Runic Empowerement (straight from Icy veins and a lot easier in usage, than BT. Again justifiable. And I don't think the dps loss here is notable, if at all.)

 

 

EDIT: Yet another request. Is it possible for WA to, while targeting the hostile (eg: Targetdummy), show us, that we should Prepot/Outbreak/Defile and so on, before we start attacking it? It surely may get annoying, but you could shrink the size of those particular symbols and at the side, for example.

 

 

EDIT EDIT: Testet it out and as it seems, the Addon doesn't suggest to press Howling blast at all, while having the approbiate Proc. And Frost Strike never seems to be suggested aswell, even at Cap.

Which leads me to the following question: Wouldn't it be better to not just use Obliterate, whenever it's possible (or just now and then) but rather to wait for the Proc? I've read on a blog, that it's a DPS gain to Oblit on Proc (followed by as many Oblits as possible) and then dump your Runicpower with Froststrike immediately. But I may be completely wrong here.

 

Sorry for so many EDIT's, I'm such an EDIT whore...

Edited by ChaiNspliT

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for plague bearer all you'd really need to do is disable the plague leech weak aura and just let your diseases keep rolling. But you should use plague leech and glyphed outbreak, it's definitely a dps boost if done right.

 

I designed the auras around runic corruption, which is what I"m currently using for 2H simply because there isn't a huge difference in resource generation between them for 2H, and RC is the easiest to use in my opinion. However I'll have to double check this evening, but I think the way I have frost strike set up right now, it only appears under 2 conditions. the first is if RP is over 70. and the second one is if you have 1 or fewer frost and unholy runes, including death runes. This should work for Runic Empowerment just as well as it does for Runic Corruption, but I'll do some testing tonight and make sure, and if I can do something better for RE I should be able to make different frost strike auras load based on talent choice.

 

The problem with showing things before combat is that it would display all the time. I could set it to only load in a raid, dungeon, etc, but you'd still have Defile, potion, etc. up all the time. And you could make them smaller and put them off to the side, but that sort of defeats the purpose of having something large and right in the middle of your screen so there's no way you can miss it. I'd have to see if there's a way to do something similar to what DBM does with timers, and have it off to the side somewhere and small when you're out of combat, and then switch to large and in the middle of the screen when you're in combat.

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for plague bearer all you'd really need to do is disable the plague leech weak aura and just let your diseases keep rolling. But you should use plague leech and glyphed outbreak, it's definitely a dps boost if done right.

Never really tried this. I guess I'll try it out! Could I ask you then, how you open fights, since Outbreak does have cost now? Going to give RC a try aswell.

 

And I propably wrote it a bit confusing, excuse me. What I tried to suggest was rather, when you target an enemy (not hostile yet), you'ld get the suggestion to start with Outbreak and then Defile and so on. Otherwise and out of combat and while targeting friendly Players and NPC's, it would basically dissappear. Now of course I don't know how difficult that would be to implement, it's really just for convenience and nothing important. =)

 

 

EDIT: This just happened:

Let's assume I opened the fight with Defile and Obliterate. The Symbol for Outbreak appeared ( http://i.imgur.com/dt6oMFW.jpg )

What now happens afterwards is, that whenever I've got 30 Runicpower, Outbreak "wants" to be casted again.

Not quite sure what happened there, some ID problems again? Just in case the ID's on EU clients for Outbreak and Froststrike:

Outbreak = 77575

Froststrike = 49143

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Oh ya, I keep forgetting you're German. It's the same issue we had before with the unholy weak aura. You'll have to go into outbreak and change the aura that checks the boss for diseases, and change "Blood Plague" to "Blutseuche"

 

For the opener I start with Defile and Obliterate, then outbreak, after the opener I usually didn't have too big of an issue having enough RP for outbreak.

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On the plague bearer/plague leech, instead of a hard disable, this can be set by using a talent selected load condition.  Probably not a bad thing to do by default. smile.png

 

As far as the opener, honestly, this is something that should just plain be something that is learned. If I need something to tell me to pre-pot, and cannot learn what my first attack is (Or even ten seconds of a specific opener) I probably should not be raiding. biggrin.png

 

EDIT:  There are actually some things that I will track with WA outside of combat, but those would be things like trinket ICD when applicable.

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As far as the opener, honestly, this is something that should just plain be something that is learned. If I need something to tell me to pre-pot, and cannot learn what my first attack is (Or even ten seconds of a specific opener) I probably should not be raiding. biggrin.png

Well I don't want to insult anyone. But that statement is kind of ignorant. Obviously, players using these addons are either new and need the help or want to be reminded of a few things (like keeping up PoF, Defile and SP, as you're not always able to use it on CD). To remind someone to pre-pot is the only insignifant part of the addon and should be obvious, but that's about it. What I was suggesting (the addon showing you how to open the fight) was for the sake of convenience and looks better, in my opinion =). One can surely disable the opening part later on, as you get used to it.

 

On the opening-thing: I asked this, because I honestly never tried PL together with the Outbreak Glyphe and now that I tried it, I actually really do like it. Was used to open it with Outbreak -> PoF -> Defile -> Oblit, ... which changed to Defile -> PoF -> Oblit -> Outbreak.

 

 

EDIT: @Storm. Would like to adress Froststrike gain, as it seems to be a client specific problem like with Outbreak, aswell. Both Froststrike 1 and 2 don't show up at any time, at all. They've got the trigger Killing Machine, changing one of them to their german equivalent (Tötungsmaschine) didn't do anything. I'd really appreciate, if you could look into it.

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You have to change trigger 4, both of the frost strike's also look for blood plague to determine if you should frost strike or outbreak with your RP.

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Are the aura sets working for both DW and 2H or are they aimed more towards one of the specs? Aka would I get a lot of HB recommendations as 2H or smth of the sort.

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Great job, glad I came across your unholy and frost post. Not sure if you would be interested but I have a really decent Runic Power aura that goes great with yours. Not sure how to do spoilers so sorry it will look sloppy.

 

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these Weakaura's arent telling to keep dots up all the time, is that correct?

It does remind you to cast Oubreak, which is very easy with the Glyphe of Outbreak, which then changes it to cost 30 Runicpower instead of a 60 seconds CD.

 

Are the aura sets working for both DW and 2H or are they aimed more towards one of the specs? Aka would I get a lot of HB recommendations as 2H or smth of the sort.

The only case you'd get HB suggested is when you've got the Rime proc. If you import the string it says 2H Frost Rotation, so I'd guess it's just for 2H.

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This version is tailored towards 2H frost, and using plague leech, defile and glyph of outbreak. This weekend I'll work on excluding plague leech in the rotation if you don't have the talent, and I'll add plague strike for people that aren't using glyph of outbreak. But if you haven't tried it, I would definitely recommend using plague leech and glyph of outbreak and following the Weak Aura. Since the buffs my DPS has had a huge increase. last night I was helping some friends on normal Tectus and I was bursting 30k dps, and sustaining 21-24k.

 

for DW currently your best bet is to just use the frost CD's aura and not the rotation aura. That'll be the next aura I work on. Then after that planning on finishing leveling my priest and making a shadow priest aura.

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The guild I'm running with now has plenty of people that can tank, so I'll probably stay Frost/Unholy and switch depending on the fight. For the next week or two there will probably be a lot of switching back and forth to see which spec is best for each fight.

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Hey Storm, really nice auras here ! Hope you'll do DW frost rotation soon ! biggrin.png (With Blood Tap in it, tried to do it myself, was pretty bad :/ )

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Made a few updates to support some different talent and glyph choices. Necrotic plague is now supported, and not glyphing outbreak is also supported.

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AWESOME rotation helper. Only thing is, I know it's for raiding but I seem to keep having Soul Reaper pop up when the target is below 35% but not when it is off cooldown while dealing with regular mobs and while running dungeons.

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Thought I had it checking to see if soul reaper was on CD, but apparently i did that for the unholy aura and not the frost aura. it's fixed now and I updated the string.

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Hello 
Really cool rotation helper, it has helped me out tons!

I just wanted to know, what are the advantages to this compared to Bittens Spellflash?

On target dummy's i seem to get better DPS when following bittens spellflash, i might be doing something wrong but i dont know.

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I've never heard of Bitten's Spellflash. I'll have to check that out sometime. I searched for a DK rotation helper, and even asked a bunch of other DK's at #Acherus before I started making the weak auras, and nobody knew of anything that helped with rotation. apparently none of us had ever heard of Bitten's. it has 3million downloads though so it's obviously popular. I'll try it out sometime.

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Storm, you are my hero!

This made the rotation make so much more sense now! I was doing it all wrong xD

Pushing a stable 17-18k dps vs a dummy now where I was having 14 previously and struggled keeping everything up!

rocking the dps meters in heroic now even with the shabby gear I got biggrin.png

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