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High End Raiding Spec Switching Combat/Sub

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So far this xpac I have been raiding combat, but as I have joined a new hardcore guild it looks like I will need to rotate between Sub and Combat depending on boss to maximize my DPS.


Most of my gear is heroic haste gear from Highmaul. The new gear in BRF is more specialized for Sub. My question is how top rogues change gear per spec. Do you have two sets of gear with multistrike enchants on one and haste enchants on other? If I am going to switch back and forth with one gearset, should I enchant multistrike on everything since it is at least the second best stat for Sub while haste is the worst stat for Sub?

Also, do top raiders change specs even for trash? Ex, trash mobs need AOE so you take the time to switch to combat for trash, then back to Sub if it's a single target boss fight?


Any advice would be great! Thanks in advance!

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Yes, As you get more gear, you'll set up 2 different sets with one for each set. For progression though, I doubt you'll be seeing enough gear to allow yourself to do that


If you're going to min/max, Multistrike is probably best. Double check your weapon enchants on Shadowcraft though, since you won't have the same ones for Combat and Sub

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