Zagam

6.1 Demonology Guide

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Real nice work!  Only thing I see wrong is that the Human Spirit Racial increases Versatility scaling with level (I'd guess it to be either 0.5% or 1%).  Outside of that this is really good, and I like the explain things.

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Yeah, I was having issues finding accurate tooltips for racials.  Either way, whatever it is, should be minimal difference.  EMFH is OP as a defensive racial.

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Zagam...You rock! Thank you so much for all that you do.

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You guys are who I do this for! 

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Nice work!

 

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Did Twilight Ward really got removed even after getting a glyph?

The tooltip on ToC gives a 67.2% coefficient.

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Finally some Demo Blood on all warlockish Veins.

 

T17 we will rock some Imps, baby

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Did Twilight Ward really got removed even after getting a glyph?

 

Yes. The glyph was added and then removed. TW is gone gone.

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Even inv_misc_trinket6oog_isoceles1.jpgShards of Nothing isn't that far behind, but the value of the trinket feels like it needs adjusted - no reason it's baseline Intellect should be lower than the rest. 

 

The reason it's lower is because that trinket drops in Highmaul instead of Blackrock Foundry.

Similar to how MV loot was lower ilvl than HoF and ToES, Highmaul loot is 10ilvls lower than Blackrock loot of the same difficulty.

 

Thus the ilvls for upgraded versions that you used are also higher than they should be smile.png

 

 

Regarding the burn phase, should we always get the Dark Soul Glyph (half the CD, half the duration)? It's not explicitly mentioned, nor any other glyphs, but since you're building to 850DF and just casting 4 Demonbolts, I assume that's what you intended/would be best.

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Nice work!

 

2 annotations:

Did Twilight Ward really got removed even after getting a glyph?

The tooltip on ToC gives a 67.2% coefficient.

Thank you for tooltip.  Most of the time, I'm stuck behind a firewall, so getting access to things is difficult!

 

The reason it's lower is because that trinket drops in Highmaul instead of Blackrock Foundry.

Similar to how MV loot was lower ilvl than HoF and ToES, Highmaul loot is 10ilvls lower than Blackrock loot of the same difficulty.

 

Thus the ilvls for upgraded versions that you used are also higher than they should be smile.png

 

 

Regarding the burn phase, should we always get the Dark Soul Glyph (half the CD, half the duration)? It's not explicitly mentioned, nor any other glyphs, but since you're building to 850DF and just casting 4 Demonbolts, I assume that's what you intended/would be best.

Simcraft models are still using that trinket for Affliction, Arcane Mages, and a few others - confusing, but at least it's not that way for Demonology.  I'll readjust the values for Shards of Nothing since I got dat formula.

 

Yes, Dark Soul Glyph will be required.  I haven't added that in yet since it's not obtainable, but I'll be doing another edit.  I just didn't want to keep the burn phase permanent because it'll change if they nerf Demonbolt's scaling.  Dark Soul Glyph is intricate to 60 second phases (10 burn, 50 build).

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Love the guide.  Can't wait for this expansion.

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Human spirit gives 100 vers = 0.77% vers

 

Nice Guide!!!

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Thank you very much Zag for you support to the cause. So the stat prio in 6.0 will be haste >= crit > mastery?

Will we need T16 4p or, like now, will go with only 2p bonus?

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I'm more excited than ever to go back to demonology once 6.0 hits. Though I will miss my hulking Wrathguard wielding a pair of Armageddon blades now that Synergy is the optimal choice. Might end up sticking with Supremacy for a bit if the numbers are similar, just for Badass points.

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Thank you very much Zag for you support to the cause. So the stat prio in 6.0 will be haste >= crit > mastery?

Will we need T16 4p or, like now, will go with only 2p bonus?

Haste is intricate to building DF up quickly for burn phases.  Crit generates more Imps from Doom and assists in DF generation.  It also boosts Soul Fire damage and gives Demonbolt a chance to do insane damage.  Mastery is a flat gain and not at the level it was before.

 

You would never want to use ilvl 582 gear at the Normal/Heroic/Mythic level of WoD when you're in the 665/680/695 range. 

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Any theorycrafting or testing done with the Darkmoon card? Presumably slightly worse than the raid trinkets, but any word on the severity?

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You would never want to use ilvl 582 gear at the Normal/Heroic/Mythic level of WoD when you're in the 665/680/695 range. 

 

Sorry, probably I didn't explain myself well. I mean in 6.0 PRE-EXPANSION patch, not in WoD with the T17 accessible. So in SoO tier and loots.

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Any theorycrafting or testing done with the Darkmoon card? Presumably slightly worse than the raid trinkets, but any word on the severity?

Not sure, but its ilvl was pretty low.  It'll likely be a solid pre-raid trinket, but you'll want to replace it ASAP.

 

Sorry, probably I didn't explain myself well. I mean in 6.0 PRE-EXPANSION patch, not in WoD with the T17 accessible. So in SoO tier and loots.

As Demonology, you always use 4pc bonus in T16.

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I think the question Mero was asking wasvwhen 6.0 hits, but we are still in Seige, does the stat prio change to Haste >= Crit > Mastery, or does it stay as is?

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The stat weights in 6.0 are all relatively the same.  They're close enough that it doesn't matter, similar to today's Demonology stat weights.  Dead horse statement: it's not your stats, it's your gameplay that determine DPS.

 

Without Demonbolt, the way to play in 6.0 is to build with Shadow Bolt and spend with Soul Fire.  The rotation will feel empty - because it is.  Just hang in there until you hit level 100.

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Thanks for the awesome work Zagam. Any tier 16 BIS changes in light of the 6.0 patch?

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No.  Stat weights are largely irrelevant.  Build with Shadow Bolt, dump with Soul Fire.  Any stat works out with it.

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So get your stats where it feels good, and go. Sounds about right.

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No.  Stat weights are largely irrelevant.  Build with Shadow Bolt, dump with Soul Fire.  Any stat works out with it.

 

Not sure if you guys are talking about 90 or 100...but the only case in which you use SF over ToC is if you can't physically spend the DF in the duration of dark soul.

 

ToC is still significantly better in terms of efficiency.

 

SF pulls ahead primarily during dark soul, and even then only really if you have glyph of dark soul.

 

I could see SF being default at 90 just because of stat inflation from full BiS, but 100 is a different story.

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