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BM Hunter. Beast Cleave Uptime question

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Hi there, fellow hunters.
My guild trying Tectus(mythic) atm, so I have to use BM spec for AoE.
There is a statement in BM rotation guide:


"When facing 2-4 enemies, use Multi-Shot to maintain maximum uptime of the Beast Cleave buff on your pet. That said, Kill Command still takes priority over this.

When facing 5-7 enemies, keeping up Beast Cleave takes priority over Kill Command.

In both of the above situations, Barrage has a higher priority than Kill Command."

I've got it, but I have a problem to maintain max. uptime of Beast Cleave, if I use Kill Command and Barrage(high prio) asap. Buff fades quite often, and solid part of pet's "special attacks" are not AoE. I'm trying to use focusing shot + steady focus for great focus regen, but still have a large gaps in the Beast Cleave uptime.

Any suggestions what to do?

Here's my armory, if needed:Инримор/simple

Thx a lot.

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