Heroes of the Storm Diablo

[positiv2 955]

11 hours ago, Guest Mayday said:

If you get the level 1 lifesteal talent, it synergizes with the other attack speed talent buffs you took later, allowing sustain and damage, it does % damage iirc

Sadly, Life Leech is fairly weak. You would have to focus tanks to heal a lot and to deal decent amount of damage. Bulwark does pretty much the same (increases the survivability), but does so more reliably.

[Guest Sarion]

Have you guys tried my build thats pretty awesome with Diablo in talent 1 you take Bulwark. in talent 4 you take Demonic Strength but if they have a heavy stun combo you go Speed Demon . In lvl 7 you take Soul Feast for an AA combo or Soul Shield for a mage combo. Diablo is strongest against mages. in lvl 10 you take Apocalypse for teamfights. lvl 13 you take Fire Devil for damage over time lvl 16 you take Overpower so you can get the enemy by you self. In lvl 20 you take Lord of Terror for lifesteal in teamfights.


I have a win rate on 53% with 203 games where when I started to learn Diablo I got 20 looses in a row so thats an amazing comeback. Try it out if you like Diablo :D

[positiv2 955]

6 hours ago, Guest Sarion said:

In lvl 7 you take Soul Feast for an AA combo

Soul Feast requires you to stack souls, which is not always possible, and the talent is quite weak on low soul count. Diabolical Momentum gives you offensive bonus, which happens to give a boost to your survivability due to its stun. That's why I would pick Diabolical Momentum over Soul Feast when facing AA comp.

6 hours ago, Guest Sarion said:

lvl 16 you take Overpower so you can get the enemy by you self

Overpower is a basic ability. Do you mean Domination?

[VitaminC 12]

I honestly think Devil's Dew (I like it better than Due) is quite good. Especially in longer and not coordinated teamfights.

At 100 souls one regen globe grants 36% of maximum health and mana. 3 globes - full health. That's insanely strong, and even better with Diabolical Momentum and Domination - the talents that can lead to heavy mana consumption.

Fountain part is nice, but mostly I take it for globes on maps where there are plenty of those. Bulwark is more of a situational talent for me now.

[positiv2 955]

11 minutes ago, VitaminC said:

I honestly think Devil's Dew (I like it better than Due) is quite good. Especially in longer and not coordinated teamfights.

At 100 souls one regen globe grants 36% of maximum health and mana. 3 globes - full health. That's insanely strong, and even better with Diabolical Momentum and Domination - the talents that can lead to heavy mana consumption.

Fountain part is nice, but mostly I take it for globes on maps where there are plenty of those. Bulwark is more of a situational talent for me now.

You cannot reliably obtain regen globes during fight, which is the reason why we recommend Bulwark instead. Besides, if you are at low Souls count, this talent will be pretty much useless - it's a winmore talent.

[VitaminC 12]

3 hours ago, positiv2 said:

You cannot reliably obtain regen globes during fight, which is the reason why we recommend Bulwark instead. Besides, if you are at low Souls count, this talent will be pretty much useless - it's a winmore talent.

In coordinated and quick fights or in places with no nearby globes, sure, I would definalty go Bulwark. However, Hero League on my skill level (High plat - low diamond) usually doesn't have proper teamfighting, engagements are sloppy and there is plenty of time to get to the nearest globe to fill up way, way more health than Bulwark duration could have prevented. Lane sustain is always nice to have.
About low souls count - as Diablo you usually want to have your souls at max anyways. Even after losing them it's still necessary to gather those (not a first priority, but still). So this shouldn't be much of an issue, I believe.
Devil's Dew has good pickrate and winrate for a reason (better than Bulwark, actually), so I thought I just might bring this up. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edited June 17, 2017 by VitaminC

[Scatha 0]

On 2017-6-17 at 1:38 PM, positiv2 said:

You cannot reliably obtain regen globes during fight, which is the reason why we recommend Bulwark instead. Besides, if you are at low Souls count, this talent will be pretty much useless - it's a winmore talent.

I don't think it's a winmore talent. It almost completely removes the need to B meaning you can be more active on the map in-between fights/objectives and it helps insanely if you can get just one globe or even tap a well before a fight, you become insanely hard to kill. And I know that we shouldn't blindly copy the talent builds of pros, but if Devil's due is a bad talent, how do you justify every pro player picking it every time?

[positiv2 955]

On 25. 6. 2017 at 2:10 AM, Scatha said:

I don't think it's a winmore talent. It almost completely removes the need to B meaning you can be more active on the map in-between fights/objectives and it helps insanely if you can get just one globe or even tap a well before a fight, you become insanely hard to kill. And I know that we shouldn't blindly copy the talent builds of pros, but if Devil's due is a bad talent, how do you justify every pro player picking it every time?

But only if you have a high souls count. If you have low souls count, you will often need to farm them, and when doing so, you will rarely drop too much health to make the talent worthwhile. 

As for the pros thing - this talent is only good when you have a strong rotation skills and a good communication. However, our guides are aimed at mid-skill players (after all, why would pros read guides), which is why we do not recommend the talent. Nonetheless after discussing the Diablo guide with Oxy, some changes were deemed necessary and the guide will be updated accordingly. This might include this talent to mention that it is a good talent for people that are able to rotate well.

[Valhalen 1,485]

On 26/06/2017 at 3:02 PM, positiv2 said:

But only if you have a high souls count. If you have low souls count, you will often need to farm them, and when doing so, you will rarely drop too much health to make the talent worthwhile. 

As for the pros thing - this talent is only good when you have a strong rotation skills and a good communication. However, our guides are aimed at mid-skill players (after all, why would pros read guides), which is why we do not recommend the talent. Nonetheless after discussing the Diablo guide with Oxy, some changes were deemed necessary and the guide will be updated accordingly. This might include this talent to mention that it is a good talent for people that are able to rotate well.

I think it depends on the map and enemy team. For example, on three lane maps with lots of minions, like Tomb of the Spider Queen, it becomes a very valuable talent that gives Diablo an insane amount of sustain. It is also very useful in maps where channeling objectives gives you Health Globes, like Warhead Junction.

Also, with Alexstrasza's release, if she pursues the Abundance build by picking Circle of Life, Devil's Due gains a lot more of value. Plus, with the new update on 2018 that makes Health Globes neutral after 3 seconds, it can essentially double Diablo's sustain with this talent if you manage to keep the enemy team away from the globes.

Either way, this talent is usually my way to go unless the enemy team features heavy burst damage. I cannot say how many times this talent saved my life.

[positiv2 955]

Yeah, since I posted the reply, meta has changed a lot, such as lower amount of burst heroes these days, which has made Bulwark way less popular (went from around 60% pick rate to not even 20%), and at the same time Devil's Due became pretty much THE talent to go for at the start of the game, which has been reflected in Diablo guide. These days, I rarely go for Bulwark over Devil's Due.

[Guest RandomGuest]

" Remember that after reviving through Black Soulstone, your Health pool will be 40% smaller. "

Let x be your standard Health without any soul.

After gaining 100 souls, your Health will be 1.4*x

After dying with 100 souls, your Health will be x

Let y be your decrease in Health.

(1.4*x)*y=x

y=1/1.4= 

[positiv2 955]

46 minutes ago, Guest RandomGuest said:

" Remember that after reviving through Black Soulstone, your Health pool will be 40% smaller. "

Let x be your standard Health without any soul.

After gaining 100 souls, your Health will be 1.4*x

After dying with 100 souls, your Health will be x

Let y be your decrease in Health.

(1.4*x)*y=x

y=1/1.4= 

It is 40% indeed, but of the base health pool, not the increased one. I agree that it should be worded better, and I will pass this onto Oxygen.

[Peaches9 15]

I've been messing around with a fun Diablo build I thought I'd share here. One thing people don't seem to talk about is that Diablo has access to a bunch of percent based damage for a tank. While diving into the backline and picking off squishies is usually ideal, sometimes it's a good deal easier and safer to grab a warrior who's too far forward and destroy them instead, particularly when your team lacks the coordination to dive in together. With Devastating Charge completed and Domination, you can take huge chunks out of anyone. Thus, against double warrior comps, I've started going:

1: Life Leech - probably the strangest part of this build, but it can add up to a lot of damage and regen when you're trading with their frontline a lot

4: From the Shadows - is awesome, 'nuff said

7: Diabolical Momentum or Soul Shield (against mages) - Both are good. Diabolical Momentum lets you combo more often, but Soul Shield keeps you from getting blown up by spell damage when you dive in.

10: Apocalypse - no comment.

13: Devastating Charge - the damage on this talent is insane, and what makes this build. While somewhat map dependent, most maps offer enough terrain to make this pay off, and some (haunted mines, infernal shrines), make it downright terrifying.

16: Domination - this is where the build gets really scary, since a Q-E-Q combo with 2 wall hits will deal over 30% after quest completion.

20: Lord of Terror - this wraps the build up nicely by providing more % damage to the entire enemy frontline while also helping you stay alive after diving in.

With this setup and some good wall positioning, Diablo can deal over 50% dmg to anyone on his own with a single Q-W-E-Q-1 combo and a couple AA's. While it's not suited for every map and enemy comp, the ability to swiftly isolate and destroy an enemy frontliner shouldn't be underestimated, and naturally, once they've been eliminated, Diablo will be free to do the same to their backline as well.

[Valhalen 1,485]

13 hours ago, Peaches9 said:

I've been messing around with a fun Diablo build I thought I'd share here. One thing people don't seem to talk about is that Diablo has access to a bunch of percent based damage for a tank. While diving into the backline and picking off squishies is usually ideal, sometimes it's a good deal easier and safer to grab a warrior who's too far forward and destroy them instead, particularly when your team lacks the coordination to dive in together. With Devastating Charge completed and Domination, you can take huge chunks out of anyone. Thus, against double warrior comps, I've started going:

1: Life Leech - probably the strangest part of this build, but it can add up to a lot of damage and regen when you're trading with their frontline a lot

4: From the Shadows - is awesome, 'nuff said

7: Diabolical Momentum or Soul Shield (against mages) - Both are good. Diabolical Momentum lets you combo more often, but Soul Shield keeps you from getting blown up by spell damage when you dive in.

10: Apocalypse - no comment.

13: Devastating Charge - the damage on this talent is insane, and what makes this build. While somewhat map dependent, most maps offer enough terrain to make this pay off, and some (haunted mines, infernal shrines), make it downright terrifying.

16: Domination - this is where the build gets really scary, since a Q-E-Q combo with 2 wall hits will deal over 30% after quest completion.

20: Lord of Terror - this wraps the build up nicely by providing more % damage to the entire enemy frontline while also helping you stay alive after diving in.

With this setup and some good wall positioning, Diablo can deal over 50% dmg to anyone on his own with a single Q-W-E-Q-1 combo and a couple AA's. While it's not suited for every map and enemy comp, the ability to swiftly isolate and destroy an enemy frontliner shouldn't be underestimated, and naturally, once they've been eliminated, Diablo will be free to do the same to their backline as well.

Well, your build is pretty much the default Diablo build, but without Devil's Due, which is the problem; Devil's Due is arguably one of the strongest sustain talents in the entire game. It simply skyrockets his survivability, and with the changes to Regeneration Orbs becoming neutral after 3 seconds, it doubles it. Combine this talent with Alexstrasza's Abundance build (Circle of Life) and Diablo will simply never, ever die.

Honestly, Diablo's Basic Attack is too slow to make Life Leech powerful, and it has to compete with a vastly superior talent. But yes, I understand that you noted it is not a build suited for every composition and maps.

[AmazingMerch 0]

Well guys, thanks for your input. I was just playing Diablo and taking the Bulwark on level 1 instead of Devil's due. I will try it now to see the difference. With soul Feast on level 7 it could easily stack up. The point is very easy - Not to die :) and collect as many souls as possible in the early game.

[Oxygen 446]

Guide update is ready, just waiting for it to be approved. Stay tuned.

[Valhalen 1,485]

14 hours ago, Oxygen said:

Guide update is ready, just waiting for it to be approved. Stay tuned.

RIP Diablo Assassin. Now he is no longer the Lord of Terror, but the "Lord of Meh".

The Basic Attack Build is a bit interesting, though. Tons of sustain.

Edited May 23, 2018 by Valhalen

[Guest TYDAL]

I think we need a new Diablo build guide FeelsBadMan

[ShadowerDerek 69]

4 hours ago, Valhalen said:

RIP Diablo Assassin. Now he is no longer the Lord of Terror, but the "Lord of Meh".

The Basic Attack Build is a bit interesting, though. Tons of sustain.

I tried this build before, it's......meh. You need to deliver a lot of basic attacks to get decent value, which rarely happens because you should focus on stunning heroes more than basic attack. It can be good against melee-heavy teams, but the Fire Stomp build would have even more value.

[Valhalen 1,485]

7 minutes ago, ShadowerDerek said:

I tried this build before, it's......meh. You need to deliver a lot of basic attacks to get decent value, which rarely happens because you should focus on stunning heroes more than basic attack. It can be good against melee-heavy teams, but the Fire Stomp build would have even more value.

Yeah, I know what you mean. Before when Diabolical Momentum provided 1.5 sec CDR per attack it was amazing. Now, not so much.

[Oxygen 446]

30 minutes ago, ShadowerDerek said:

I tried this build before, it's......meh. You need to deliver a lot of basic attacks to get decent value, which rarely happens because you should focus on stunning heroes more than basic attack. It can be good against melee-heavy teams, but the Fire Stomp build would have even more value.

This was also my conclusion. I touch very briefly on that in the talents section of the guide.

[Kroko23 0]

Ok it's been a long dang time since our great Lord of Terror, but I would propose changing this and including a basic attack build, from the data I've seen and watching of several gaming videos along with my own time playing it is decently popular and rather effective against a team with 2 or more melee heroes as you would be throwing a lot of attacks and since with the level 4 talentyou gain your health back on a % (which is a huge amount), and with the attack speed boost from 13 you are insanely survivable. It's best to keep a vulnerable member of the enemy closer to your team with overpower or into a corner so they can't get away with your melee sustain keeping you standing. It's rather effective.

https://www.icy-veins.com/heroes/talent-calculator/diablo#39.0!1321233

 

and there it is.

[Guest Tegelen87]

I play regularly with this build  https://www.icy-veins.com/heroes/talent-calculator/diablo#49.3!2332313

It provides after lvl 13 big amount of single target dmg and selfsustain. I can cast CC abilities much more often, which result in pin enemy to myself. Very often with this build I dive and exclude certain  assasins from battle. Others builds are not so appeling for me. I played with them, but I was out of combat for much longer time because of biger CD. With this build I feel that I can do more and faster.