T16 Warlock Style - Heroic & Mythic

[Ilion 8]

It will make you lose faith in certain individuals, but not the group as a whole. 

 

Sure thing, yesterday night I almost wanted to tell some people to go back to raid finder.

 

 

We had a 300k wipe.

 

Don't even ask me how that is possible these days....

 

Luckily he is now dead.

 

Don't have to ask you, we had a 1% wipe, It almost brought tears to my eyes.

 

 

I'm stuck in Malky too, around 20~25 wipes so far, we pushed him only until 30%.

 

Sad me.

 

And our tank and one melee dps stop playing WOW for being hardcore LOL players.

 

 

That's a shitty week for my core.

 

Woah, sorry to hear that, it's a shame when some important player of your core leaves.

[mediocregatsby 18]

lol as someone in my raid put it: "guys, heroic malkorok is like 1 small part of heroic lei shen, why cant you do this"

 

had one night of heroic spoils so far, going again tonight. destro AOE is fun times. i'm considering the havoc glyph to dump 6 SBs onto the big adds, thoughts?

[Omaric 246]

lol as someone in my raid put it: "guys, heroic malkorok is like 1 small part of heroic lei shen, why cant you do this"

 

had one night of heroic spoils so far, going again tonight. destro AOE is fun times. i'm considering the havoc glyph to dump 6 SBs onto the big adds, thoughts?

 

Seems legit, what's the spawn timer on the add?

[Soulzar 42]

lol as someone in my raid put it: "guys, heroic malkorok is like 1 small part of heroic lei shen, why cant you do this"

 

had one night of heroic spoils so far, going again tonight. destro AOE is fun times. i'm considering the havoc glyph to dump 6 SBs onto the big adds, thoughts?

 

I found the healer buff wave is making it incredibly hard for me to snipe anything reliably with Havoc (10 man) and I have been mostly using it to copy CB's to Sparks.  I am hard pressed to get 3 SB's copied from adds into the boss, you basically would need 3 adds sub 20% and your other dps to ignore them.  The odds you'll get 6 is highly unlikely.  I would probably opt for more frequent use unless you can max the double charges more effectively than I was able to.

 

Thus far, I generally kept RoF up as on as many ads as possible, and funneled CB's into the mini bosses.  I am not AoEing nearly as much as I expected I would be.... generally only when a small crate is opened.

[Liquidsteel 279]

I found the healer buff wave is making it incredibly hard for me to snipe anything reliably with Havoc (10 man) and I have been mostly using it to copy CB's to Sparks.  I am hard pressed to get 3 SB's copied from adds into the boss, you basically would need 3 adds sub 20% and your other dps to ignore them.  The odds you'll get 6 is highly unlikely.  I would probably opt for more frequent use unless you can max the double charges more effectively than I was able to.

 

Thus far, I generally kept RoF up as on as many ads as possible, and funneled CB's into the mini bosses.  I am not AoEing nearly as much as I expected I would be.... generally only when a small crate is opened.

Ask to do 2x Mogu side as that's where you can perform most optimally.

 

In 25 man our spriest deals solely with the statues and I'm able to shadowburn every single one.

[mediocregatsby 18]

silly 10 mans! on our 25 man wipes i was getting 30-40 shadowburns off in just the first mogu room. statues, quilens, sparks, NOTHING IS SAFE from the shadowburn spammage. and most of it is not excess damage since 1 shadowburn does not kill a 20% mob unless good procs are running. 

[Ilion 8]

Oh god, malkorok went down, I don't wanna come back next week.

[Rakupenda 15]

Since Garrosh is basically dead (26% wipe due to Iron Star misshandling...) and with another weeks worth of gear it will eliminate the two hard whirling/mc phases completely because we'll push to the next phase quicker...may even skip the whirling altogether.

 

25 Heroic Garrosh: Destro:

Soul Leech

SacPac

Burning Rush/Unbound Will (to help with MCs)

 

The fight is very scripted with a few minor RNG factors. You know when you are going to take damage, plan your defensive cooldowns accordingly.

 

Phase 1:

FnB Conflag, FnB Immolate boss/adds/weapon, spam Chaos Bolt on boss and keep RoF up. You should not run out of embers. Havoc Shadowburn cleave when the adds dip below 20% (Glyph of Havoc?). Boss damage is what really matters, not AoE. Do not waste your time FnB Incinerate unless you have to clean up adds. Our guild knocked back the adds into the Iron Star and anything under 50% hp died. Shadowburn cleave the stragglers onto your havoc target or to generate embers.

Wolf: Pour your Chaos Bolts into it (Havoc should come back up, cleave onto boss).

Save a defensive cooldown or two for the transition, but don't be afraid to pop one if an add is on you.

Make sure you have at least two embers going into the transition (preferably all four). Should be easy if you successfully Shadowburned the last wolf or had some straggler adds up at the end of the phase.

 

Transition (Five groups of three adds):

Shadowfury for AoE stun on your group of adds.

If you are assigned to interrupt aside from Shadowfury, make sure you sacced felhunter.

Dark Soul/PBI (as of this posting) come up as you enter it. With more gear, you may push this sooner and it may not be up.Personally I used DS/Second Pot at the beginning to murder the adds:  I was assigned to shadowfury the second stun, so this was my rotation:

(2nd Pot/Dark Soul) FnB Conflag, RoF, FnB Immolate, Havoc Chaos Bolt, FnB Incinerate once (sometimes twice), Shadowfury (second interrupt happens about here). After the second interrupt the adds are sub 20%, Shadowburn 'em down and then go help other groups.

If your raid derps or you just don't get the Courage buff (white bubbles that spawn), you can survive easily with voidwalker's Shadow Bulwark (lasts 20 sec). If you do not have Shadow Bulwark: use Twilight Ward, SacPac, UR (would recommend having Soul Leech for an additional shield for every Chaos Bolt you can squeeze in). It's a long period of heavy hits, spread 'em out as much as you can and utilize your raid's CD's (AMS, Disc Shield, etc)

 

Phase 2:

Keep Immolate up on weapons (make sure a CoE is up, rogue's won't be touching them). Havoc Chaos Bolt if you're topping on embers, Incinerate to generate embers. MAKE SURE TO SHADOWBURN THEM SUB 20%.

RoF before MCs. If you have burning rush, pop Burning Rush 1 sec prior; only if your raid is struggling with MCs. If you have Unbound Will, pop it while MC'd. It will not break MC, but it will bring your health down by 20%. Both are really good during the empowered MC's when you have @4 million HP and these abilities take a % of your hp to use.

You shouldn't need any defensive CD's, make sure they're all up for the transition.

Make sure to burn all of your embers before going into the next transition.

 

Second Transition (long run up the steps with tons of little adds):

As you're running up, leave trails of RoF at or behind you as you run (this is why you burn your embers in the previous phase). You will have full embers before reaching the top. RoF the group and FnB Conflag and Incinerate, no point Immolating (except as maybe as a precast before the grip?) as they will die quickly.

Grab a buff if you can, unfortunately people can grab more than one, so you may not get one. This Use same CD's as the first one. Personally I use SacPact, then Shadow Bulwark and the phase is over. If it gets really hairy I'll pop UR.

Not a bad idea to cast Twilight Ward or SacPact as you're running up as they last a long time and can absorb a fear puddle if you get snagged by one.

Dark Soul/PBI come up as soon as we push the top platform.

 

 

Phase 3:

Basically the same as phase 2, except MC's can't be stunned and the whirling now spawns adds. If your tank is kiting, do not FnB Immolate or RoF them unless they give you permission. Our tanks had the adds AoE gripped/Shadowfuried to keep them grouped tightly. Keep a Soulstone on the kiting tank.

Be liberal with your defensive CDs.

Save as many embers as you can for sub 10% push (unless you get some major int procs in which case just use them up).

 

Sub 10% push. Pump the remaining of your embers into him. . The damage carries over and he will be 30%+ coming out of it. My Dark Soul/PBI come up for this phase. By the time you refill your embers again he'll almost be sub 20% again. Rinse repeat except you ignore weapons since they can't be killed and with some occasional AoE pulses (Defensive CD!) 

 

Phase 4 is...a tank and spank. Really. If your Malice player is moving, you don't move. If your Malice player isn't moving, you move out of the circle until debuff wears off and then back in. Scatter for bombardment, avoid Iron Star...and that's all you have to do as a dps. GG

Your second Doomguard should come up during this phase. Save defensive CD's for bombardment.

 

And Tuesday I will have to relearn the DS/PBI timings because everything will be pushing sooner *grumble grumble*

 

Think that was all the noteable things...

Edited November 5, 2013 by Rakupenda

[Rrasis 13]

we downed Heroic Malkorok last night, It was one of the easier fights this tier in my opinion, we worked on him for about 2 1/2 hrs before we got the kill. we probably had 5 sub 10% wipes which was frustrating, the key for us was people just not missing being in a pool everything else was a cake walk.

[Strife 6]

Quick Paragon's question, do you guys FnB Immo or single target x3 Immo for the most part to keep your ember generation up?

[Rakupenda 15]

Quick Paragon's question, do you guys FnB Immo or single target x3 Immo for the most part to keep your ember generation up?

FnB Immolate is ember neutral, meaning you won't gain any embers by doing it. Defeats the purpose of multidotting as Destro on that fight. On a fight like Protectors were the damage isn't wasted, even though it is ember neutral, the damage gained from the immolates + 2 cast times saved is beneficial.

 

Havoc main target and manual Immolate the two off targets. Manually apply in between havocs or when Havoc is used for the two-target 50% push.

[Omaric 246]

Quick Paragon's question, do you guys FnB Immo or single target x3 Immo for the most part to keep your ember generation up?

 

What Raku said is basically what I've been doing for a few weeks now.  Havoc main, Immolate 2x off-targets, then follow up the last Immolate with an Incinerate to finish off your Havoc stacks and ember generation.  Havoc doesn't see meaningful use with CB/SB otherwise, they get healed to full when your main target dies.

[Soulzar 42]

 

Phase 2:

Keep Immolate up on weapons (make sure a CoE is up, rogue's won't be touching them). Havoc Chaos Bolt if you're topping on embers, Incinerate to generate embers. MAKE SURE TO SHADOWBURN THEM SUB 20%.

RoF before MCs. If you have burning rush, pop Burning Rush 1 sec prior; only if your raid is struggling with MCs. If you have Unbound Will, pop it while MC'd. It will not break MC, but it will bring your health down by 20%. Both are really good during the empowered MC's when you have @4 million HP and these abilities take a % of your hp to use.

You shouldn't need any defensive CD's, make sure they're all up for the transition.

Make sure to burn all of your embers before going into the next transition.

 

 

First off, thanks for the detailed write up.

 

Curious about the bolded section.  When initially working on Garrosh normal, I was using Unbound Will to chop 20% off my HP when I was MC.  Every time however I died.  It seemed like the game was not recognizing the HP removed and thus my "break out of MC" hp level was zero and not 20%

 

Every time, it was Soulzar that died being broken out of MC.  I was the only one.  So I mentioned it may be the HP reduction of the talent, stopped using it.. and stopped dieing as soon as being broken out of MC.

 

Is this an issue that was potentially fixed, is it a difference between 10 and 25 (you mention 4m hp?), or...???

 

For some reason I feel like joining an LFR right now and popping UR + Shadow Bulwark + Sac Pact + Dark Regen/Glyphed HS one second before MC's go out... who's with me? lol

Edited November 5, 2013 by Soulzar

[Rakupenda 15]

First off, thanks for the detailed write up.

 

Curious about the bolded section.  When initially working on Garrosh normal, I was using Unbound Will to chop 20% off my HP when I was MC.  Every time however I died.  It seemed like the game was not recognizing the HP removed and thus my "break out of MC" hp level was zero and not 20%

 

Every time, it was Soulzar that died being broken out of MC.  I was the only one.  So I mentioned it may be the HP reduction of the talent, stopped using it.. and stopped dieing as soon as being broken out of MC.

 

Is this an issue that was potentially fixed, is it a difference between 10 and 25 (you mention 4m hp?), or...???

 

For some reason I feel like joining an LFR right now and popping UR + Shadow Bulwark + Sac Pact + Dark Regen/Glyphed HS one second before MC's go out... who's with me? lol

When you tested this, was it during the time you could Shadowburn cleave your friendlies down and actually kill them while MC'd? How long ago is what I'm asking.

 

Obviously anything suggested you will want to verify when you get to pulling the boss yourself as things may have changed.

 

I've been doing Unbound will since normal, but took Burning Rush in heroic for the stair phase and kiting a Iron Star. I'll use Unbound Will tonight when we get back to him to verify.

[Soulzar 42]

Basically...Week one.  lol have not used it since.

[Belloc 6]

I've been using Unbound Will for the past couple of weeks in 10-man and it hasn't gotten me killed. Indeed, it usually means I'm the first person to get broken out of MC. Perfectly safe to use.

[Darkie 0]

Since Garrosh is basically dead (26% wipe due to Iron Star misshandling...) and with another weeks worth of gear it will eliminate the two hard whirling/mc phases completely because we'll push to the next phase quicker...may even skip the whirling altogether.

 

Gratz on the progress. Personally I'm really looking forward to progressing on this fight.

 

I do have one question -

Transition (Five groups of three adds):

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Second Transition (long run up the steps with tons of little adds):

...

 

Are the transitions always in order like that?

 

Also maybe it's a 10m thing, but a few early 10m kills ignored the desecrated weapons and stacked them up in a corner - I assume this was more a way of avoiding the harsh dps check I guess.

[Zanzal 6]

We're still trying to get Heroic Malkorok on farm at the moment. And it frustrates me to no end that we have 25 FREAKIN' PEOPLE TO SOAK AND WE MISS THEM. Now, I find it useful to keep RoF up on heroic to generate some embers. I also keep my GoSac because I often find my pet dead about half way through the fight. Maybe I should put in a couple more attempts than like three with Supremacy. With that being said, I keep Sac Pac for 'oh shit' situations...like, "I have a red shield, but this needs to be soaked." KJC is so nice in this fight, especially when you have wonderful RNG and you're getting knocked up in the air every freakin' time (more or less in the middle of awesome trinket procs and CBs)... Can proudly say I've never missed a FREAKIN' PURPLE SWIRL though. Keep in my mind these are just my personal preferences.
Needless to say, we're on Spoils now. And I've been starting on the mantid side. Not happy. There's only one major change in this fight though from a dps perspective and that's the sparks, which need to be killed immediately. The go down fairly quickly but it's easy enough to Havoc + SB. Not much difference from normal, but I haven't seen much of the Mogu side yet.
Progress, slowly but surely.

[Soulzar 42]

Needless to say, we're on Spoils now. And I've been starting on the mantid side. Not happy. There's only one major change in this fight though from a dps perspective and that's the sparks, which need to be killed immediately. The go down fairly quickly but it's easy enough to Havoc + SB. Not much difference from normal, but I haven't seen much of the Mogu side yet.

Progress, slowly but surely.

 

Starting on Malk tonight for our first repeat kill .  Hoping we get him down fast again so we can get back to Spoils.  

 

I really hate spoils heroic.  It causes a lot of personal stress when your side is struggling with things not in your control :(  At the end of last week we had one side clearing normally in time, the other failing.. swapped up tanks the last few pulls and now both sides are within a few seconds.  So some clean up we should be about there.  Then have to get good at second side.  Luckily the first week we put out initial attempts on the opposite sides, so it wont be unfamiliar completely.

 

I am really looking forward to Thok.  Gl on spoils

[juribe 1]

speaking of fights where we wipe because of things out of my control, what's up siegecrafter? i'll just keep tunneling like a boss on the main platform, and eventually our belt groups will figure out how to not die.

[Ilion 8]

speaking of fights where we wipe because of things out of my control, what's up siegecrafter? i'll just keep tunneling like a boss on the main platform, and eventually our belt groups will figure out how to not die.

 

 

If you feel the people going to the assembly line are not performing well, you should go destro and get on the conveyor belt.

[Zagam 1,983]

No, Warlocks are awful for the belt.  You keep doing attempts until the belt people nail it.

[Ilion 8]

No, Warlocks are awful for the belt.  You keep doing attempts until the belt people nail it.

 

Maybe I'm the only one who doesn't mind gimping my dps if that means downing the boss.

[Zagam 1,983]

Using a Warlock on the belt gimps the entire raid's DPS and extends the fight unnecessarily.  With the change to teleport, Warlocks are least useful up there and contribute much more on the main platform.  If you're having to use the belt, you need better teammates.

[Rakupenda 15]

Sub 20%...not sure why it's not dead yet. Just dumb (and simple) mistakes. Sacrificial Dagger the Malice and you don't have to worry about it, haha...

 

Are the transitions always in order like that?

 

Also maybe it's a 10m thing, but a few early 10m kills ignored the desecrated weapons and stacked them up in a corner - I assume this was more a way of avoiding the harsh dps check I guess.

 

Yes they are always in that order.

 

Your keyword there is "Early" They did not have the gear to just stack and kill everything with "passive" AoE. We killed them to keep the room clean, and we had more than enough dps to compensate. Every week of gear makes this more viable.

 

If you're going to get strats from videos, make sure to use recent incarnations of them (<2 weeks old) to compare more accurately to the massive amount of loot you've acquired since the first kills that happened in week two with little heroic gear.